Why is it so hard to meet moderate women?

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

You all are very stupid and naive

Yes, getting politicians involved does mean being unable to get that abortion she got to save her life.

She would really struggle right now in Florida or Texas. Doctors don't want to be prosecuted by trigger happy Paxton.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

NP. Your logical skills are abysmal if you can’t see the difference between a machine and a human.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

You know what, start your own thread if you want to harangue about abortion. I'm tired of morons like you. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. The rest of us are perfectly clear on science and don't want your "feelings" to dictate policy and how our doctors make medical and health decisions. As long as that fetus needs my body to survive it is not viable.

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The whole point of this thread is that most men prefer women that are in the middle. Not middle on the woke left or on the far right. Moderate women are highly desirable and to be cherished.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

You know what, start your own thread if you want to harangue about abortion. I'm tired of morons like you. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. The rest of us are perfectly clear on science and don't want your "feelings" to dictate policy and how our doctors make medical and health decisions. As long as that fetus needs my body to survive it is not viable.

“If you don’t want to murder people, don’t murder people. But it’s OK if others do it.”

Great standard!

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

You know what, start your own thread if you want to harangue about abortion. I'm tired of morons like you. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. The rest of us are perfectly clear on science and don't want your "feelings" to dictate policy and how our doctors make medical and health decisions. As long as that fetus needs my body to survive it is not viable.

“If you don’t want to murder people, don’t murder people. But it’s OK if others do it.”

Great standard!

The fact that you are calling it "murdering people" really reveals how insane you are. I don't engage with crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

You know what, start your own thread if you want to harangue about abortion. I'm tired of morons like you. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. The rest of us are perfectly clear on science and don't want your "feelings" to dictate policy and how our doctors make medical and health decisions. As long as that fetus needs my body to survive it is not viable.

“If you don’t want to murder people, don’t murder people. But it’s OK if others do it.”

Great standard!

The fact that you are calling it "murdering people" really reveals how insane you are. I don't engage with crazy.

That’s not the point they’re making. They’re saying that the moral standard of “if you don’t like it, don’t do it. But it’s fine for others to do.”…is highly problematic.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

You know what, start your own thread if you want to harangue about abortion. I'm tired of morons like you. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. The rest of us are perfectly clear on science and don't want your "feelings" to dictate policy and how our doctors make medical and health decisions. As long as that fetus needs my body to survive it is not viable.

“If you don’t want to murder people, don’t murder people. But it’s OK if others do it.”

Great standard!

The fact that you are calling it "murdering people" really reveals how insane you are. I don't engage with crazy.

That’s not the point they’re making. They’re saying that the moral standard of “if you don’t like it, don’t do it. But it’s fine for others to do.”…is highly problematic.

Nope, absolutely not. Not when it comes to decisions regarding my own body. You can only make that argument if you consider a clump of non-viable cells a baby, which is scientifically and logically inaccurate. You don't get to call it murder based on your feelings.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

You know what, start your own thread if you want to harangue about abortion. I'm tired of morons like you. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. The rest of us are perfectly clear on science and don't want your "feelings" to dictate policy and how our doctors make medical and health decisions. As long as that fetus needs my body to survive it is not viable.

“If you don’t want to murder people, don’t murder people. But it’s OK if others do it.”

Great standard!

The fact that you are calling it "murdering people" really reveals how insane you are. I don't engage with crazy.

That’s not the point they’re making. They’re saying that the moral standard of “if you don’t like it, don’t do it. But it’s fine for others to do.”…is highly problematic.

Nope, absolutely not. Not when it comes to decisions regarding my own body. You can only make that argument if you consider a clump of non-viable cells a baby, which is scientifically and logically inaccurate. You don't get to call it murder based on your feelings.

Calling it the termination of human life isn’t a feeling. It’s a scientific fact.

What about the baby and their own body? It’s not your DNA; why do you have the right to kill it? Very narcissistic mentality.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

You know what, start your own thread if you want to harangue about abortion. I'm tired of morons like you. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. The rest of us are perfectly clear on science and don't want your "feelings" to dictate policy and how our doctors make medical and health decisions. As long as that fetus needs my body to survive it is not viable.

“If you don’t want to murder people, don’t murder people. But it’s OK if others do it.”

Great standard!

The fact that you are calling it "murdering people" really reveals how insane you are. I don't engage with crazy.

That’s not the point they’re making. They’re saying that the moral standard of “if you don’t like it, don’t do it. But it’s fine for others to do.”…is highly problematic.

Nope, absolutely not. Not when it comes to decisions regarding my own body. You can only make that argument if you consider a clump of non-viable cells a baby, which is scientifically and logically inaccurate. You don't get to call it murder based on your feelings.

Calling it the termination of human life isn’t a feeling. It’s a scientific fact.

What about the baby and their own body? It’s not your DNA; why do you have the right to kill it? Very narcissistic mentality.

No. No one other than lunatics like you is calling abortion a termination of human life. It's called a termination of pregnancy.

Again, stop hijacking this thread with your nonsense. No one is buying it. Start your own if you want to discuss abortion.

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+1. If you can ever find one.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

You know what, start your own thread if you want to harangue about abortion. I'm tired of morons like you. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. The rest of us are perfectly clear on science and don't want your "feelings" to dictate policy and how our doctors make medical and health decisions. As long as that fetus needs my body to survive it is not viable.

“If you don’t want to murder people, don’t murder people. But it’s OK if others do it.”

Great standard!

The fact that you are calling it "murdering people" really reveals how insane you are. I don't engage with crazy.

That’s not the point they’re making. They’re saying that the moral standard of “if you don’t like it, don’t do it. But it’s fine for others to do.”…is highly problematic.

Nope, absolutely not. Not when it comes to decisions regarding my own body. You can only make that argument if you consider a clump of non-viable cells a baby, which is scientifically and logically inaccurate. You don't get to call it murder based on your feelings.

Calling it the termination of human life isn’t a feeling. It’s a scientific fact.

What about the baby and their own body? It’s not your DNA; why do you have the right to kill it? Very narcissistic mentality.

This is derailing the thread. If you have strong feelings on this issue, you aren’t going to be compatible with someone who disagrees. So you feel really strongly about being anti abortion rights, you're going to need to find a partner who agrees.

As a woman myself, that would be a deal breaker for me. That being a deal breaker for me wasn't an issue, my husband is on the same page.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

Would you support forcing people to donate organs to save other people? I think of abortion kind of like that. Would I give my kid one of my kidneys to save them? Yes. Should I be required by law to? No. My choice.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad that it's considered radical now for a woman to want to have control over her own body. What a dissident!

If you are pro-abortion you are demanding control over someone else’s body.

I’m all for most progressive stances, but I can’t be pro-abortion, plain and simple. That fetus is a human being that can’t speak up for itself. Shouldn’t we be protecting it like all other forms of life? Why doesn’t it deserve our respect and protection? Seems odd that we draw this line.

So yes, moderate women exist. We don’t subscribe to all we are told to believe.

You aren't moderate. It's like the wealthy calling themselves "middle class."

You can't trust Conservatives to run this conversation. The moment they get a chance, they are digging out laws from the 1930s and trying to enforce them on women.

Because they naturally think they should have governance over women's bodies.

When is it a fetus, PP?

Should the single cell zygote be considered a fetus? If you can't answer, you have no business being in someone else's business.

Well, I’m a person consistent with my beliefs. I believe people should have control over their actions provided they don’t hurt others. I’m a person who believes we should help those around us in need, particularly those who came here from other countries hoping for stability and a good life. I believe in rehabilitation and not the death penalty.

So, remaining consistent with my respect for others, that extends to the new life within the womb. It has its own DNA and is not merely a clump of cells. And my thoughts on this are born out of science, not religion. (I’m actually not religious.) I believe, as many do, that life begins at conception… not at an arbitrarily drawn line that can’t be agreed upon.

So abortion is taking a life that is not your own. And, as a person who respects life, that is inconsistent with my beliefs.

The far left’s militant stance that women demand control over others in the name of “body autonomy” is why I can’t be far left.

And you are welcome to dismiss me for that. I don’t think I’ll feel insulted.

Ah conception

Yeah, you aren't moderate and I say that as a religious person.

And you are hurting people.

You'll find out one day

Again… I’m not going to get upset because some anonymous person on the internet decides to mischaracterize me.

I am moderate, and disagreeing with you on life doesn’t change that.

And no, I’m not hurting people by maintaining consistent beliefs that support life.

NP. You are not pro-life when your beliefs cause more women to die, no matter how smug you present yourself. Zero moderate about that. Next…

And your beliefs support almost 1,000,000 deaths per year in the US. You don’t have the higher ground here.

I’m able to see this issue clearly. It’s killing, pure and simple. You may not like that inconvenient truth. In the case of nonviable fetuses, then that’s a discussion to have with a medical professional. I had to do that myself for an ectopic pregnancy that would have killed me and the child. And I still live with the regret that I had to endure that; I think about it often.

But abortion used because the child might be inconvenient? Sorry… that’s not a good enough reason to kill. “My body, my choice” ignores the truth that it isn’t YOUR body that is being terminated.

My thoughts are reasoned and logical and consistent with my beliefs about life. Saying that you support life EXCEPT the very young doesn’t give you a leg to stand on.

Getting an abortion for your medical issue but denying other women the same right is really messed up.

She’s not saying that? She’s saying you can get an abortion got medical reasons where life of the mother is at risk. She’s simply saying abortions where the kid would be an inconvenience to the mother are insanity.

No it is not. Bringing children into this world who will end up in poverty/abused/malnourished or in a perpetual cycle of violence is insanity. It's so DCUM to assume everyone is middle class and comfortable in their late 30s with a well establshed career and a kid would just be an inconvenience is totally ignorant. If a 16 year old wants an abortion because she had unprotected sex, so effing be it.

So if you lose your job when your child is 3 months old, and you’re worried about feeding your child, does that give you permission to kill it? Of course not. So why does that 3-month old life have any more dignity and the right not to be killed than a child at 19 weeks in the womb? The truth is that it doesn’t. They’re all human life.

One is a child who has been born and one is a non-viable fetus. I'm not sure why that's confusing to you idiots.

What does viability have to do with the inherent human right to not be killed? Can you kill a NICU baby on a ventilator then? It’s not viable on its own.

Would you support forcing people to donate organs to save other people? I think of abortion kind of like that. Would I give my kid one of my kidneys to save them? Yes. Should I be required by law to? No. My choice.

Your organs have your DNA, so this is not comparable.