What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?

[Anonymous]

To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

It is possible to get an exemption, but I don't think it is nearly as clear or easy as the previous poster implied, which is why I suggested the rule change.

https://www.mynvsl.com/file/36493/2024_NVSL_Handbook_Web___clickable_TOC_pdf

on page 88 it says regarding the Swimsuits (Article 102.8) rule "Exemptions may be granted on a case by case basis by the NVSL Chair of the Rules committee or by his/her designee."

[Anonymous]

NP: we’re a team who had an 8&u DQed because the swimmer wore a sun shirt for the race during an A meet. I was surprised no one caught it before the child swam. I’m sure the child and family didn’t know that the shirts weren’t allowed. I’d support the rule change to address this type of issue. Don’t see how the shirt could be used for any type of advantages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP: we’re a team who had an 8&u DQed because the swimmer wore a sun shirt for the race during an A meet. I was surprised no one caught it before the child swam. I’m sure the child and family didn’t know that the shirts weren’t allowed. I’d support the rule change to address this type of issue. Don’t see how the shirt could be used for any type of advantages.

What situation in your example are you correcting with a change to the rules for 102 clubs and 17,000 swimmers? An 8&U wore a sunshirt (for a 25!) and the coaches, reps, clerk of course, and myriad timers all missed it before the kid swam? How is this any different than a kid showing up with the wrong cap, or prior to this year, the wrong suit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

B meets are not governed by NVSL rules. Your friend needs to bring this up with their own team reps.

Exemptions for A meets are as simple as sending an email: "Little Johnny/Little Jill needs to wear a sun shirt for modesty reasons." As a former team rep, we never had one turned down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP: we’re a team who had an 8&u DQed because the swimmer wore a sun shirt for the race during an A meet. I was surprised no one caught it before the child swam. I’m sure the child and family didn’t know that the shirts weren’t allowed. I’d support the rule change to address this type of issue. Don’t see how the shirt could be used for any type of advantages.

What situation in your example are you correcting with a change to the rules for 102 clubs and 17,000 swimmers? An 8&U wore a sunshirt (for a 25!) and the coaches, reps, clerk of course, and myriad timers all missed it before the kid swam? How is this any different than a kid showing up with the wrong cap, or prior to this year, the wrong suit?

What do you mean by this? You can wear can wear any suit in NVSL as long as it doesn’t have tie backs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

B meets are not governed by NVSL rules. Your friend needs to bring this up with their own team reps.

Exemptions for A meets are as simple as sending an email: "Little Johnny/Little Jill needs to wear a sun shirt for modesty reasons." As a former team rep, we never had one turned down.

+1
The only thing they will specify is that it can’t be made of certain materials.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP: we’re a team who had an 8&u DQed because the swimmer wore a sun shirt for the race during an A meet. I was surprised no one caught it before the child swam. I’m sure the child and family didn’t know that the shirts weren’t allowed. I’d support the rule change to address this type of issue. Don’t see how the shirt could be used for any type of advantages.

What situation in your example are you correcting with a change to the rules for 102 clubs and 17,000 swimmers? An 8&U wore a sunshirt (for a 25!) and the coaches, reps, clerk of course, and myriad timers all missed it before the kid swam? How is this any different than a kid showing up with the wrong cap, or prior to this year, the wrong suit?

What do you mean by this? You can wear can wear any suit in NVSL as long as it doesn’t have tie backs.

Until last year you couldn’t wear a suit with a logo of another team. For example you couldn’t wear a Potomac marlins suit in an Nvsl meet

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

B meets are not governed by NVSL rules. Your friend needs to bring this up with their own team reps.

Exemptions for A meets are as simple as sending an email: "Little Johnny/Little Jill needs to wear a sun shirt for modesty reasons." As a former team rep, we never had one turned down.

But if it is always approved, why not make the rule that it is always approved instead of each team having to ask.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

B meets are not governed by NVSL rules. Your friend needs to bring this up with their own team reps.

Exemptions for A meets are as simple as sending an email: "Little Johnny/Little Jill needs to wear a sun shirt for modesty reasons." As a former team rep, we never had one turned down.

But if it is always approved, why not make the rule that it is always approved instead of each team having to ask.

Because it would be better for the swimmer if they conformed to the standard set by US swim. An exception can be made, but a rule change isn't necessary in order to do that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

B meets are not governed by NVSL rules. Your friend needs to bring this up with their own team reps.

Exemptions for A meets are as simple as sending an email: "Little Johnny/Little Jill needs to wear a sun shirt for modesty reasons." As a former team rep, we never had one turned down.

But if it is always approved, why not make the rule that it is always approved instead of each team having to ask.

+1 agreed. You could draft the rule to permit anything from swim shirts to burquinis, provided they are securely on the body, made of swimsuit materials (some combo of nylon, polyamide, polyester, spandex, and elastic should cover it), and don’t have the stated characteristics of a tech suit.

Kids swimming in these things aren’t going to have any advantage but if it reduces their barriers to participation it’s worth it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

B meets are not governed by NVSL rules. Your friend needs to bring this up with their own team reps.

Exemptions for A meets are as simple as sending an email: "Little Johnny/Little Jill needs to wear a sun shirt for modesty reasons." As a former team rep, we never had one turned down.

But if it is always approved, why not make the rule that it is always approved instead of each team having to ask.

Because it would be better for the swimmer if they conformed to the standard set by US swim. An exception can be made, but a rule change isn't necessary in order to do that.

Says who that it would be better for the swimmer if they conformed to the US swim standard?

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Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

B meets are not governed by NVSL rules. Your friend needs to bring this up with their own team reps.

Exemptions for A meets are as simple as sending an email: "Little Johnny/Little Jill needs to wear a sun shirt for modesty reasons." As a former team rep, we never had one turned down.

But if it is always approved, why not make the rule that it is always approved instead of each team having to ask.

Because it would be better for the swimmer if they conformed to the standard set by US swim. An exception can be made, but a rule change isn't necessary in order to do that.

Says who that it would be better for the swimmer if they conformed to the US swim standard?

Because as it's been said multiple times; swim shirts, shorts, burkinis, etc. will only serve to make it harder. Most sports benefit from uniform conformity. And there's no real burden on inclusion, it's an email.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

B meets are not governed by NVSL rules. Your friend needs to bring this up with their own team reps.

Exemptions for A meets are as simple as sending an email: "Little Johnny/Little Jill needs to wear a sun shirt for modesty reasons." As a former team rep, we never had one turned down.

But if it is always approved, why not make the rule that it is always approved instead of each team having to ask.

Because it would be better for the swimmer if they conformed to the standard set by US swim. An exception can be made, but a rule change isn't necessary in order to do that.

Says who that it would be better for the swimmer if they conformed to the US swim standard?

Because as it's been said multiple times; swim shirts, shorts, burkinis, etc. will only serve to make it harder. Most sports benefit from uniform conformity. And there's no real burden on inclusion, it's an email.

Harder to what, transvestigate little kids? Team colors tend to be pretty similar. I’m sure it’s not all that hard to find a swim shirt or leggings in Royal blue or Kelly green or team black.

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Anonymous wrote:To pp about the shirt rule- what is process for getting an exemption? We have a friend who quit because his team wouldn’t allow him to wear a shirt even at a b meet

B meets are not governed by NVSL rules. Your friend needs to bring this up with their own team reps.

Exemptions for A meets are as simple as sending an email: "Little Johnny/Little Jill needs to wear a sun shirt for modesty reasons." As a former team rep, we never had one turned down.

But if it is always approved, why not make the rule that it is always approved instead of each team having to ask.

Because it would be better for the swimmer if they conformed to the standard set by US swim. An exception can be made, but a rule change isn't necessary in order to do that.

Says who that it would be better for the swimmer if they conformed to the US swim standard?

Because as it's been said multiple times; swim shirts, shorts, burkinis, etc. will only serve to make it harder. Most sports benefit from uniform conformity. And there's no real burden on inclusion, it's an email.

There is a burden on inclusion because the kids who are most likely to wear swim shirts are brand new to the sport and their parents aren’t likely to know that they could have requested an exemption. And even some team reps are new and don’t know.