What rule changes should NVSL do for next year?

[Anonymous]

Require teams to make times visible so swimmers know where they are on the ladder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Require teams to make times visible so swimmers know where they are on the ladder.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Like what? I think that the rule is aligned in what the kids are allowed to where (Relay Carnival, ASR, and IAS) and the prohibition from dual meets is reasonable.

Because then every league will have different rules and there will be long email chains about what is ok and what swimmers should wear, and officials briefings will go on for 30 minutes with pointless what if questions.

A lot of what has been suggested here and in the MCSL thread ignores the fact that parent volunteers actually run these meets, they do not just happen. And we are at our limit of what we can do in June and July.

[Anonymous]

All DDs get 10 paper plates at the banquet. They don't have to have writing on them.

[Anonymous]

All events should be 25s to be more welcoming and inclusive for swimmers who struggle with turns and longer distances.

[Anonymous]

NVSL medals for parents! AThis way they can wear them to work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Like what? I think that the rule is aligned in what the kids are allowed to where (Relay Carnival, ASR, and IAS) and the prohibition from dual meets is reasonable.

Because then every league will have different rules and there will be long email chains about what is ok and what swimmers should wear, and officials briefings will go on for 30 minutes with pointless what if questions.

A lot of what has been suggested here and in the MCSL thread ignores the fact that parent volunteers actually run these meets, they do not just happen. And we are at our limit of what we can do in June and July.

Exactly the point, a total tech suit ban at dual meets would make it easier on officials, team reps, and the league in general as there would be fewer distinctions on what is legal and what is not based on age.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Like what? I think that the rule is aligned in what the kids are allowed to where (Relay Carnival, ASR, and IAS) and the prohibition from dual meets is reasonable.

Because then every league will have different rules and there will be long email chains about what is ok and what swimmers should wear, and officials briefings will go on for 30 minutes with pointless what if questions.

A lot of what has been suggested here and in the MCSL thread ignores the fact that parent volunteers actually run these meets, they do not just happen. And we are at our limit of what we can do in June and July.

Exactly the point, a total tech suit ban at dual meets would make it easier on officials, team reps, and the league in general as there would be fewer distinctions on what is legal and what is not based on age.

Although I agree with a tech suit ban, this is not true. You're now making volunteers have to research which suit is and is not a tech suit. We had a team this summer complain that an under 13 year old was wearing a 'tech suit,' which wasted a bunch of volunteer time (he wasn't). Unless you mean ban all kneeskins and performance suits-- I don't hate that either but it's entirely different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP: we’re a team who had an 8&u DQed because the swimmer wore a sun shirt for the race during an A meet. I was surprised no one caught it before the child swam. I’m sure the child and family didn’t know that the shirts weren’t allowed. I’d support the rule change to address this type of issue. Don’t see how the shirt could be used for any type of advantages.

What situation in your example are you correcting with a change to the rules for 102 clubs and 17,000 swimmers? An 8&U wore a sunshirt (for a 25!) and the coaches, reps, clerk of course, and myriad timers all missed it before the kid swam? How is this any different than a kid showing up with the wrong cap, or prior to this year, the wrong suit?

What do you mean by this? You can wear can wear any suit in NVSL as long as it doesn’t have tie backs.

Until last year you couldn’t wear a suit with a logo of another team. For example you couldn’t wear a Potomac marlins suit in an Nvsl meet

Incorrect. You could always wear another team logo suit (long time rep here) but last year a few officials took it upon themselves to say you could not or misunderstood the rule. So a clairification was added.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Like what? I think that the rule is aligned in what the kids are allowed to where (Relay Carnival, ASR, and IAS) and the prohibition from dual meets is reasonable.

Because then every league will have different rules and there will be long email chains about what is ok and what swimmers should wear, and officials briefings will go on for 30 minutes with pointless what if questions.

A lot of what has been suggested here and in the MCSL thread ignores the fact that parent volunteers actually run these meets, they do not just happen. And we are at our limit of what we can do in June and July.

Exactly the point, a total tech suit ban at dual meets would make it easier on officials, team reps, and the league in general as there would be fewer distinctions on what is legal and what is not based on age.

Although I agree with a tech suit ban, this is not true. You're now making volunteers have to research which suit is and is not a tech suit. We had a team this summer complain that an under 13 year old was wearing a 'tech suit,' which wasted a bunch of volunteer time (he wasn't). Unless you mean ban all kneeskins and performance suits-- I don't hate that either but it's entirely different.

Sounds like a weak coach, rep, and ref. This is a 2 second question: 1) suit should have the FINA mark; 2) if it doesn't, then look at the seams to see if they are stitched or bonded.

[Anonymous]

NVSL should ban team lunches. It isn't fair to the kids who don't swim on Saturdays and they feel left out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP: we’re a team who had an 8&u DQed because the swimmer wore a sun shirt for the race during an A meet. I was surprised no one caught it before the child swam. I’m sure the child and family didn’t know that the shirts weren’t allowed. I’d support the rule change to address this type of issue. Don’t see how the shirt could be used for any type of advantages.

What situation in your example are you correcting with a change to the rules for 102 clubs and 17,000 swimmers? An 8&U wore a sunshirt (for a 25!) and the coaches, reps, clerk of course, and myriad timers all missed it before the kid swam? How is this any different than a kid showing up with the wrong cap, or prior to this year, the wrong suit?

What do you mean by this? You can wear can wear any suit in NVSL as long as it doesn’t have tie backs.

Until last year you couldn’t wear a suit with a logo of another team. For example you couldn’t wear a Potomac marlins suit in an Nvsl meet

Incorrect. You could always wear another team logo suit (long time rep here) but last year a few officials took it upon themselves to say you could not or misunderstood the rule. So a clairification was added.

DP
Yes, this is true. Thanks. I was going to post the same thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP: we’re a team who had an 8&u DQed because the swimmer wore a sun shirt for the race during an A meet. I was surprised no one caught it before the child swam. I’m sure the child and family didn’t know that the shirts weren’t allowed. I’d support the rule change to address this type of issue. Don’t see how the shirt could be used for any type of advantages.

What situation in your example are you correcting with a change to the rules for 102 clubs and 17,000 swimmers? An 8&U wore a sunshirt (for a 25!) and the coaches, reps, clerk of course, and myriad timers all missed it before the kid swam? How is this any different than a kid showing up with the wrong cap, or prior to this year, the wrong suit?

What do you mean by this? You can wear can wear any suit in NVSL as long as it doesn’t have tie backs.

Until last year you couldn’t wear a suit with a logo of another team. For example you couldn’t wear a Potomac marlins suit in an Nvsl meet

Incorrect. You could always wear another team logo suit (long time rep here) but last year a few officials took it upon themselves to say you could not or misunderstood the rule. So a clairification was added.

DP
Yes, this is true. Thanks. I was going to post the same thing.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the rule actually applied to caps. And then some eager clerks of clerks took it upon themselves to enforce it for suits too. So they had to clarify the suit policy.

[Anonymous]

Can the NVSL make a rule that when someone posts a video clip they also have to include a title.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can the NVSL make a rule that when someone posts a video clip they also have to include a title.