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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

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Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Why don't the pro-immigration folks like Trump then? Maybe you should vote for him if you really believe that is what he is doing.

You can’t answer the question eh? Typical dumb MAGA.

Ah you know you want to vote GOP. They are such consistently reliable advocates for H-1b and immigration. Besides Democrats are losers.

The stock market and economy have usually done better under D potus, not R. Just sayin'. So, if "loser" you mean a strong economy and stock market, then sure.

The last two R potus caused a stock market crash - Bush with his fake WMD Iraw war (which is when I left the R party), and Trump with his chaotic tariff policies.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

You wouldn't have known about visa workers if it weren't for Trump? Shows how little then you know about visa workers.

Sure, if Trump deserves to hire visa workers, why can't other businesses? Should only the POTUS be allowed to make money off of cheap foreign labor?

Speaking of AI, the Rs put in the BBB that states cannot regulate AI for 10 years so that the tech bros can do whatever they want. And you are a fool if you think the tech bros like Musk are going to pull back on H1s. Trump is playing favorites, as he always does, and he will let Musk hire H1s but will make it harder for companies like Apple to hire them. Why do you think Bezos has been cozying up to Trump? It's because he knows if he gets on Trump's bad side, Trump will use his power to curtail Amazon's business, like using foreign workers.

You are super naive, and it shows since you didn't know anything about visa workers until just now.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Why don't the pro-immigration folks like Trump then? Maybe you should vote for him if you really believe that is what he is doing.

Because some of us aren't idiots, like you.

Trump thinks it's ok for some businesses to hire foreign workers, like his and Musk's, but not others. "Fine for me, but not for thee" is not a good look on a leader. Only dummies think it's fine.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Maybe you should learn a little history.

You can be against a policy and yet take advantage of the same policy until it is removed. That is what Trump is doing. And while he has immigrants working for his businesses, we know that his actions on H1B are night and day difference from the Democrats. Only a fool would vote for a Democrat.

Maybe read a little about US history.

The idea that there is no obligation to pay more taxes is rooted in legal and philosophical discussions. According to a famous quote by Judge Learned Hand, "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes". This statement suggests that individuals are not legally required to pay more than the minimum amount of taxes mandated by law.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Maybe you should learn a little history.

You can be against a policy and yet take advantage of the same policy until it is removed. That is what Trump is doing. And while he has immigrants working for his businesses, we know that his actions on H1B are night and day difference from the Democrats. Only a fool would vote for a Democrat.

Maybe read a little about US history.

The idea that there is no obligation to pay more taxes is rooted in legal and philosophical discussions. According to a famous quote by Judge Learned Hand, "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes". This statement suggests that individuals are not legally required to pay more than the minimum amount of taxes mandated by law.

Blah, blah blah. No one’s going to read your word salad. Do as I say, not as I do. Rules for thee, not for me is the MAGA motto.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Maybe you should learn a little history.

You can be against a policy and yet take advantage of the same policy until it is removed. That is what Trump is doing. And while he has immigrants working for his businesses, we know that his actions on H1B are night and day difference from the Democrats. Only a fool would vote for a Democrat.

Maybe read a little about US history.

The idea that there is no obligation to pay more taxes is rooted in legal and philosophical discussions. According to a famous quote by Judge Learned Hand, "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes". This statement suggests that individuals are not legally required to pay more than the minimum amount of taxes mandated by law.

that's some pretzel twisted logic there. I guess that's the kind of logic you need when you are in a cult.

Excuses excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Maybe you should learn a little history.

You can be against a policy and yet take advantage of the same policy until it is removed. That is what Trump is doing. And while he has immigrants working for his businesses, we know that his actions on H1B are night and day difference from the Democrats. Only a fool would vote for a Democrat.

Maybe read a little about US history.

The idea that there is no obligation to pay more taxes is rooted in legal and philosophical discussions. According to a famous quote by Judge Learned Hand, "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes". This statement suggests that individuals are not legally required to pay more than the minimum amount of taxes mandated by law.

that's some pretzel twisted logic there. I guess that's the kind of logic you need when you are in a cult.

Excuses excuses.

How is it a cult when we are for what he is doing as president but not what he is doing in business.

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Vance vomits lies from both side of his mouth. I trust him as far as I can throw him.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Maybe you should learn a little history.

You can be against a policy and yet take advantage of the same policy until it is removed. That is what Trump is doing. And while he has immigrants working for his businesses, we know that his actions on H1B are night and day difference from the Democrats. Only a fool would vote for a Democrat.

Maybe read a little about US history.

The idea that there is no obligation to pay more taxes is rooted in legal and philosophical discussions. According to a famous quote by Judge Learned Hand, "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes". This statement suggests that individuals are not legally required to pay more than the minimum amount of taxes mandated by law.

that's some pretzel twisted logic there. I guess that's the kind of logic you need when you are in a cult.

Excuses excuses.

How is it a cult when we are for what he is doing as president but not what he is doing in business.

Did you read what you actually wrote and process it in your brain?

Definitely a cult.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

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Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Maybe you should learn a little history.

You can be against a policy and yet take advantage of the same policy until it is removed. That is what Trump is doing. And while he has immigrants working for his businesses, we know that his actions on H1B are night and day difference from the Democrats. Only a fool would vote for a Democrat.

Maybe read a little about US history.

The idea that there is no obligation to pay more taxes is rooted in legal and philosophical discussions. According to a famous quote by Judge Learned Hand, "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes". This statement suggests that individuals are not legally required to pay more than the minimum amount of taxes mandated by law.

that's some pretzel twisted logic there. I guess that's the kind of logic you need when you are in a cult.

Excuses excuses.

How is it a cult when we are for what he is doing as president but not what he is doing in business.

Did you read what you actually wrote and process it in your brain?

Definitely a cult.

It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

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Doesn’t mean we need more and more people from the same country, they are already waiting decades for their green cards, means too many

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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

Let me explain why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt. People may call it a cult, but it's just that I wouldn't have even been aware of the issue had Trump and his DOJ not started prosecuting the issue. I didn't go into tech to be an expert on immigration and all the jargon LCA, PERM. I had no idea this was going on. He gets credit for doing the right thing when other people were calling him a racist bigot. The people calling him the racist bigot were the ones doing the secret searches by the way.

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Anonymous wrote:He realizes his wife was born in the USA when her parents were still citizens of India on temporary visa status right?

Doesn’t mean we need more and more people from the same country, they are already waiting decades for their green cards, means too many

Sure, how convenient for Usha's family that their son in law wants to close the border AFTER they came.

Does MAGA and he realize that Usha's parents came on a work visa?

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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

Let me explain why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt. People may call it a cult, but it's just that I wouldn't have even been aware of the issue had Trump and his DOJ not started prosecuting the issue. I didn't go into tech to be an expert on immigration and all the jargon LCA, PERM. I had no idea this was going on. He gets credit for doing the right thing when other people were calling him a racist bigot. The people calling him the racist bigot were the ones doing the secret searches by the way.

? You're definitely a cult member. I've been in tech for a while in silicon valley, and there are definitely some weird tech bros. No one who has been in tech for a while is unaware of H1s.