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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

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Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

And yet it is the democrats that advocate for h1b and opt. Why???

I never get an answer as to why we should replace US workers with cheap
Foreign labor to benefit rich elites

and Dems wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refuses to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helps US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposes to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

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Anonymous wrote:Damnit I hate when Vance says something I actually agree with. Insanity to still be handing out H1Bs for CS work right now given the layoffs and difficulty of CS majors in finding jobs. Tech firms can do some internal training if they need to bridge skill gaps - just like most other companies do.

https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-issues-warning-h1-b-visa-immigration-2103296?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawLu_1FleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHggVzornDQc4-zR77B62fK6CwhsrSFtzDz3qlOpfStRtz8ZMeUVEIw5KIH2C_aem_039eRMW6a8E42zd4am4GBQ#Echobox=1753351866

Vance: "You see some big tech companies where they'll lay off 9,000 workers, and then they'll apply for a bunch of overseas visas. And I sort of wonder; that doesn't totally make sense to me.“

From article…
“Microsoft is facing mounting scrutiny over its use of the H-1B visa program after announcing a wave of layoffs in July that will impact approximately 9,000 employees globally.

The latest cuts, affecting about 4 percent of the company's total workforce, follow two earlier rounds in May and June, which together eliminated around 8,000 positions. In total, Microsoft has laid off nearly 16,000 employees so far this year, out of its global headcount of 228,000.

In the aftermath of the layoffs, social media posts began circulating on X, formerly Twitter, alleging that Microsoft has submitted applications for more than 6,000 H-1B visas since October, the start of the current fiscal year. While that specific figure has not been independently verified, official data shows that Microsoft filed 9,491 H-1B applications during the previous fiscal year, all of which were approved.”

Vance goes after Microsoft for firing Americans while still applying for H-1B visas: "That math worries me. I don't want companies to fire 9,000 American workers and then go and say they can't find workers here in America. That's a bulls*** story."

https://x.com/theblaze/status/1948216918072062098?s=46

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The business community is trying to have it both ways. They continuously claim there is a labor shortage and at the same time layoffs have increased five-fold this year. Amid these layoffs, the Big Business and the media call for ever more immigration to solve inflation, worker shortages, and our national fiscal problems. This cognitive dissonance is most pronounced in the tech sector. Layoffs in 2022 and 2023 have resulted in over 170,000 tech jobs being cut. Now, the latest news from the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) is that H-1B visa lottery registrations were up to 780,884, a 61 percent increase from the year before. This follows a 57 percent increase in H-1B visa registrations from the year prior. In other words, the only thing outpacing the number of tech layoffs is the number of H-1B visa registrations. In logic, there is something called the law of noncontradiction. The law simply states that contradictory statements cannot both be true at the same time. Hurray for the logicians as our immigration system is providing a real time example for their classes. Can there be massive tech layoffs of American workers and a shortage of American tech workers at the same time? Tech companies are firing Americans and breaking records for registrations of foreign workers to replace them.

USCIS has reached a similar conclusion regarding fraud and H-1B abuse. They took the step of emailing their stakeholders to scold them about the rising H-1B registrations. Even an administration that is decidedly on the side of “see no evil, hear no evil” can no longer deny the blatant fraud.

We have seen the administration ignore child abuse until it hit critical mass with reporting from The New York Times. In this instance, for the year 2021 there were roughly 274,000 H-1B registrations. The number has increased steadily reaching the current crescendo of 780,884.

Also, keep in mind that H-1B visas are not the only foreign worker pipeline for the tech industry. Sure, it is the primary visa option in the statutes, but that has not stopped the government from creating unlawful programs to supplement the firing of American workers for cheaper substitutes. Remember the Optional Practical Training (OPT) program, which allows foreign students to remain after graduation to work. The government has turned student visas into one of the largest temporary employment visas in the country. All to the primary benefit of the tech industry.

This is a prime example of how the government has twisted our immigration laws into a pretzel to accommodate industries that seek cheap labor. We see child labor with the assistance of the federal government, forced labor, wage theft, and indentured servitude. Yet none of this deters the government from bending every rule and pulling every lever to expand the number of foreign workers in the United States. The Biden Administration has greatly expanded H-2B visas annually. They are creating illegal parole programs that admit tens of thousands monthly, supposedly to stop the increasing flows at the border, but keep in mind these people will be provided employment authorization documents (EAD).

Time after time, the Biden Administration is doing the bidding of the captains of industry in the name of compassion and worker shortages. As a thank you, the companies blatantly game the system and break the law by using child and forced labor, while laying off working-age Americans.

https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/tech-visa-applications-break-records-amid-mass-tech-layoffs/

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

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Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

And yet it is the democrats that advocate for h1b and opt. Why???

I never get an answer as to why we should replace US workers with cheap
Foreign labor to benefit rich elites

and Dems wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refuses to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helps US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposes to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

and yet, it was Trump who said he loves the H1, because Musk does. Why is that?

Elites, indeed.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/28/trump-musk-h1b-visas

Donald Trump on Saturday sided with Elon Musk, a key supporter and billionaire tech CEO, in a public dispute over the use of the H-1B visa, saying he fully backs the program for foreign tech workers opposed by some of his supporters.

“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” he was quoted as saying.

and Trump expanded the H2 visas during the first few months he was in office the first time. Why is that? Oh, could it be because his resorts use foreign workers?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/20/16003254/trump-h2b-visa-program

the Trump administration defied its “America First” rhetoric with a policy change that would make it easier for companies to hire guest workers from foreign countries. The Trump Organization is already poised to benefit from it.

On Monday, the Department of Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for foreign guest workers from 66,000 visas per year to 81,000.

On Thursday — just three days later — Trump’s properties told the Department of Labor that they wanted approval to hire 76 guest workers using those visas.

MAGA either are ignorant or stupid or both. I think it's both, tbh.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Why don't the pro-immigration folks like Trump then? Maybe you should vote for him if you really believe that is what he is doing.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Why don't the pro-immigration folks like Trump then? Maybe you should vote for him if you really believe that is what he is doing.

You can’t answer the question eh? Typical dumb MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites.

Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company. The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers. And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions. Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers. What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.

Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't. And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.

You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too. Thanks for confirming.

What would you say the purpose of your comment is? Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here. Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance. Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s - "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation. Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.

too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?

No, because he's just as much as a hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA. Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't.

Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.

aw.. did I hurt your feelings? No rebuttal? Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b. The links are above. DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid). He has tightened up the system. He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect. On the other hand, what did Biden do? Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system. He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve? Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.

Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.

Why don't the pro-immigration folks like Trump then? Maybe you should vote for him if you really believe that is what he is doing.

You can’t answer the question eh? Typical dumb MAGA.

Ah you know you want to vote GOP. They are such consistently reliable advocates for H-1b and immigration. Besides Democrats are losers.