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Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...[/quote]

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now. [/quote]

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?[/quote]

[b]Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default[/b] (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here. [/quote]
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Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.[/quote]

[b]What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation.  Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?
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Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.[/quote]
This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.[/quote]

Read a little please.  When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism?

Let them eat cake

Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company

About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts

Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous.

We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites. [/quote]
Companies being allowed to hire foreign workers is capitalism because it means the government isn't getting in the way of the company.  The only reason why the government has to be involved is because these foreign workers need visas.

If you want to prevent companies from hiring cheaper labor, then you should be demanding more regulation.

Speaking of cheaper foreign workers for elites, Trump and his friends', like Musk, hire foreign workers.  And I don't see Trump stopping it anytime soon. Trump also doesn't want to increase the federal minimum wage, and he hates unions.  Trump is all about profit. He doesn't care about the workers.    What on earth makes you think Trump is your savior on this?[/quote]

I would be fine with more regulation. Musk and Trump aren’t friends anymore. Trump may not want to be the savior on this but I would love if his base realize what is going on so they stop fixating on 10 trans kids and start fixating on the ways Trump lets workers get screwed over.[/quote]
Musk and Trump are still buds. They made up.

I would be fine with more regulation, but you know.. Rs aren't.   And those are the people now in power.

I agree that MAGA are fixated on the wrong things, but so were progressives.[/quote]

I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.[/quote]
You're fine with his and Trump's use of H1s, too.   Thanks for confirming.[/quote]

What would you say the purpose of your comment is?  Maybe you can recommend a way to get some one more restrictive on immigration, because Democrats sure don't have the answer here.  Oh you-trying to weggie the resistance.  Got any other insightful comments? That highlight the malaise of the Democrat parties lipzhitz approach.[/quote]

What was the purpose of ^PP's comment on this thread about H1s -  "I'm fine with Elon's chainsaw approach.".

maybe MAGA should be mad at Trump for agreeing with Musk about needing H1 visas.   [/quote]

Just the basic idea that the government needs a good decimation.  Knocked down by about 10% you know like my lifetime earnings according to the Newsweek article on h-1b depressing tech wages.[/quote]
too bad that doesn't apply to Trump. He just got richer using his position as POTUS and foreign workers at his resorts.[/quote]

So I can count on you to vote for Vance then?[/quote]
No, because he's just as much as a  hypocrite as Trump, and I despise MAGA.   Vance was anti-Trump until he wasn't. 
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Somebody should break a mirror in front of your face.[/quote]
aw.. did I hurt your feelings?  No rebuttal?  Can't accept that both Vance and Trump are big ol' hypocrites, and Trump won't do anything about visa workers because his and Musks' businesses rely on them?[/quote]

Well, Trump has done things about H-1b.  The links are above.  DOJ v Apple, DOJ v Meta, if it weren't for Trump I wouldn't have even known. He has stopped H-1b (Covid).  He has tightened up the system.  He tried to go to a highest pay system; Biden undid it before it went into effect.  On the other hand, what did Biden do?  Biden tried to make AI occupations schedule A so they don't have to even go through the PERM process, he undid the pay ranking system.  He rubber stamped so many LCA its absurd, you can go look at the LCAs that they got through in the final days of Bidens terms.

So, I'll take that over Virtue signaling sellouts any day.

Got any more disingenuities up your sleeve?  Oh, I know your just upset because you think you deserve a H-1b servant like Trump, Trump had one, so you deserve one too.
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Why does Trump hire foreign workers for his own properties when there are perfectly capable American citizens available? MAGAs always skitter away like cockroaches when this question comes up.[/quote]

Why don't the pro-immigration folks like Trump then?  Maybe you should vote for him if you really believe that is what he is doing.
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You can’t answer the question eh? Typical dumb MAGA.[/quote]

Ah you know you want to vote GOP.  They are such consistently reliable advocates for H-1b and immigration.  Besides Democrats are losers.[/quote]
The stock market and economy have  usually done better under D potus, not R.  Just sayin'.  So, if "loser" you mean a strong economy and stock market, then sure.

The last two R potus  caused a stock market crash - Bush with his fake WMD Iraw war (which is when I left the R party), and Trump with his chaotic tariff policies.[/quote]

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