Vance on H1B

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

This.

A few of us have been pointing out that high tech companies are canning HIGHLY SKILLED -- BRILLIANT -- American employees and handing those jobs to less qualified and less intelligent Indian H1B holders.

With all the DEI incentives under the Democrats, more Indians became managers. Once Indians become managers, they won't hire Americans, hiring only fellow Indians under the H1B program. Maybe Americans like to talk inclusiveness, but these people are tribal. That is the reality.

These high tech jobs are some of the highest paying jobs for middle class Americans, commanding salaries rivaling some physician salaries. The Indians who are replacing them are commanding similar salaries. Make no mistake - they are not getting hired on the cheap.

What kind of idiots are we to allow our fellow Americans to get replaced by a foreign work force for some of the highest paying jobs in the U.S. ??

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Since when "free market" meant ability to dip into the global workforce just like that? This was never the case. You cannot just hire anyone in any country and bring them here, you have to go through the process. H1B program was this process that was created specifically to make it very easy to bring whatever resources you want from overseas, and by "whatever resources", it should be clear by now that it wasn't top talent (there is a diff visa for this). There were many entry level positions being staffed by foreigners who were coming here specifically to work, who would never be able to come here in the first place without this program. There were various industries including hospitality supposedly able to get workers from other countries on the cheap. This program opened the floodgates that didn't exist before, it's not free market. Companies wanted to sell to the American consumer market and to the American corporations for high price but hire foreign cheap labor. Because this labor cannot cross the border (you need educated English speaking workforce) there was no way to make it happen without this program. This was a loophole around the entire concept of free market.

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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

Let me explain why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt. People may call it a cult, but it's just that I wouldn't have even been aware of the issue had Trump and his DOJ not started prosecuting the issue. I didn't go into tech to be an expert on immigration and all the jargon LCA, PERM. I had no idea this was going on. He gets credit for doing the right thing when other people were calling him a racist bigot. The people calling him the racist bigot were the ones doing the secret searches by the way.

? You're definitely a cult member. I've been in tech for a while in silicon valley, and there are definitely some weird tech bros. No one who has been in tech for a while is unaware of H1s.

Half the people in Silicon Valley are on h-1b. You're garden variety peson from the Midwest isn't aware of it.

H1s are everywhere, even in the midwest. The ^PP cult member stated that they are in tech, so they aren't the "garden variety midwesterner".

So, either the ^PP is ignorant or lying about being in tech.

H1Bs are especially present in flyover country where companies need those skills and the general population doesn’t have them.

A lot of these jobs can be done remotely. And with remote work a lot of qualified candidates moved to LCOL areas to save money, so I seriously doubt there is this shortage of workers in the midwest, which has a lot of large cities with major universities graduating Comp sci and STEM majors each year. Hiring remote across the USA should be the fist move before opting in for the H1s. You can also find willing remote workers to cover various shifts.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

By free market they mean they're free to send you back to the gulag anytime.

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Since when "free market" meant ability to dip into the global workforce just like that? This was never the case. You cannot just hire anyone in any country and bring them here, you have to go through the process. H1B program was this process that was created specifically to make it very easy to bring whatever resources you want from overseas, and by "whatever resources", it should be clear by now that it wasn't top talent (there is a diff visa for this). There were many entry level positions being staffed by foreigners who were coming here specifically to work, who would never be able to come here in the first place without this program. There were various industries including hospitality supposedly able to get workers from other countries on the cheap. This program opened the floodgates that didn't exist before, it's not free market. Companies wanted to sell to the American consumer market and to the American corporations for high price but hire foreign cheap labor. Because this labor cannot cross the border (you need educated English speaking workforce) there was no way to make it happen without this program. This was a loophole around the entire concept of free market.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

By free market they mean they're free to send you back to the gulag anytime.

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded.

I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers.

If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract.

This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting.

I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters.

What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so?

Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion.

Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you.

This is called free market economy capitalism.

If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation.

Since when "free market" meant ability to dip into the global workforce just like that? This was never the case. You cannot just hire anyone in any country and bring them here, you have to go through the process. H1B program was this process that was created specifically to make it very easy to bring whatever resources you want from overseas, and by "whatever resources", it should be clear by now that it wasn't top talent (there is a diff visa for this). There were many entry level positions being staffed by foreigners who were coming here specifically to work, who would never be able to come here in the first place without this program. There were various industries including hospitality supposedly able to get workers from other countries on the cheap. This program opened the floodgates that didn't exist before, it's not free market. Companies wanted to sell to the American consumer market and to the American corporations for high price but hire foreign cheap labor. Because this labor cannot cross the border (you need educated English speaking workforce) there was no way to make it happen without this program. This was a loophole around the entire concept of free market.

By free, they mean they have the freedom to send you to the gulag anytime they want.

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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

Let me explain why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt. People may call it a cult, but it's just that I wouldn't have even been aware of the issue had Trump and his DOJ not started prosecuting the issue. I didn't go into tech to be an expert on immigration and all the jargon LCA, PERM. I had no idea this was going on. He gets credit for doing the right thing when other people were calling him a racist bigot. The people calling him the racist bigot were the ones doing the secret searches by the way.

? You're definitely a cult member. I've been in tech for a while in silicon valley, and there are definitely some weird tech bros. No one who has been in tech for a while is unaware of H1s.

Half the people in Silicon Valley are on h-1b. You're garden variety peson from the Midwest isn't aware of it.

H1s are everywhere, even in the midwest. The ^PP cult member stated that they are in tech, so they aren't the "garden variety midwesterner".

So, either the ^PP is ignorant or lying about being in tech.

I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage.

So, what you are saying is that Americans don't want to work the jobs that immigrants do, or at least, the shift.

FWIW, my father, an immigrant, volunteered to work the nightshift for a whopping 25 cent extra per hour.

I'm saying they need to pay enough to make the job attractive to American workers.
I'm a married homeowner with kids making 44 per hour. It would not be worth it to mess up my sleep schedule to earn 46 per hour. However there is a dollar amount at which I would consider it.
The h1bs are the same age as me (30s) living in dorms with bunk beds. For them 46 per hour is a godsend and they send every cent back home.

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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

Let me explain why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt. People may call it a cult, but it's just that I wouldn't have even been aware of the issue had Trump and his DOJ not started prosecuting the issue. I didn't go into tech to be an expert on immigration and all the jargon LCA, PERM. I had no idea this was going on. He gets credit for doing the right thing when other people were calling him a racist bigot. The people calling him the racist bigot were the ones doing the secret searches by the way.

? You're definitely a cult member. I've been in tech for a while in silicon valley, and there are definitely some weird tech bros. No one who has been in tech for a while is unaware of H1s.

Half the people in Silicon Valley are on h-1b. You're garden variety peson from the Midwest isn't aware of it.

H1s are everywhere, even in the midwest. The ^PP cult member stated that they are in tech, so they aren't the "garden variety midwesterner".

So, either the ^PP is ignorant or lying about being in tech.

H1Bs are especially present in flyover country where companies need those skills and the general population doesn’t have them.

A lot of these jobs can be done remotely. And with remote work a lot of qualified candidates moved to LCOL areas to save money, so I seriously doubt there is this shortage of workers in the midwest, which has a lot of large cities with major universities graduating Comp sci and STEM majors each year. Hiring remote across the USA should be the fist move before opting in for the H1s. You can also find willing remote workers to cover various shifts.

I also encourage hiring remote offshore. I think it's great. Keeps the cost of housing down. Employers don't get as much control over their foreign workers. Foreign workers aren't willing to "work for less" to get a green card. We don't have to train them or give them our code or expertise. Employers can just suck on their shoe if the foreigners don't perform. I mean remote work has been around for a long time. I don't see them doing it overseas, like they threaten to do.

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It's not like there so many anti-h1b candidates we can just pick and choose. Bernie, first he was against him before he was for them then he was against h1b, but he isn't even a Democrat doesn't really count for much. He voted for amnesty and tech subsidies every time Democrats brought them up.

Bernie is adorable, but he's not a realistic pick for a politician, plus he's yet another oldster. If push comes to shove, he's also a blatant red.

The H1B issue is a very real problem, not an abstract intellectual topic of conversation. Highly intelligent, well educated, extremely competent Americans are losing their jobs to immigrant H1B and other visa holders. The causes have been carefully explained upthread.

This ought to be of upmost concern for all Americans. So far it has affected primarily the high tech sector, but I'm learning from this thread it's affected the health care sector as well. Which other highly educated Americans will be displaced by immigrant labor if Americans don't demand the curtailing of these outrageous programs?

Let me explain why Trump gets the benefit of the doubt. People may call it a cult, but it's just that I wouldn't have even been aware of the issue had Trump and his DOJ not started prosecuting the issue. I didn't go into tech to be an expert on immigration and all the jargon LCA, PERM. I had no idea this was going on. He gets credit for doing the right thing when other people were calling him a racist bigot. The people calling him the racist bigot were the ones doing the secret searches by the way.

? You're definitely a cult member. I've been in tech for a while in silicon valley, and there are definitely some weird tech bros. No one who has been in tech for a while is unaware of H1s.

Half the people in Silicon Valley are on h-1b. You're garden variety peson from the Midwest isn't aware of it.

H1s are everywhere, even in the midwest. The ^PP cult member stated that they are in tech, so they aren't the "garden variety midwesterner".

So, either the ^PP is ignorant or lying about being in tech.

I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage.

So, what you are saying is that Americans don't want to work the jobs that immigrants do, or at least, the shift.

FWIW, my father, an immigrant, volunteered to work the nightshift for a whopping 25 cent extra per hour.

I'm saying they need to pay enough to make the job attractive to American workers.
I'm a married homeowner with kids making 44 per hour. It would not be worth it to mess up my sleep schedule to earn 46 per hour. However there is a dollar amount at which I would consider it.
The h1bs are the same age as me (30s) living in dorms with bunk beds. For them 46 per hour is a godsend and they send every cent back home.

Not sure if you are trying to flex but assuming 8 hour days, you only make a measly ~84k annually. Trust me when I say that the vast majority of H1Bs in the US make significantly more money than you, and just in base comp (not even taking into account bonus, RSU, etc). Their total comp is probably 2-3x yours at a minimum...

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"I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage."

I agree. It's not a "worker shortage". It's a refusal to pay enough extra to make the night shift worth the hassle.

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Anonymous wrote:"I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage."

I agree. It's not a "worker shortage". It's a refusal to pay enough extra to make the night shift worth the hassle.

I disagree it's not pay issue it's "let's see how uncomfortable we can make the job such that Americans are unwilling to do it so that we can import immigrants." issue.

Believe it or not there is a whole industry that has evolved to make jobs look unappealing to Americans so that they can say none applied. They job may very well be fine; they just advertise it in the worst possible light. From misspelled skillz and l33t speak in the posting to snail mail to submit the CV. Oh and travel. It's a cubicle farm etc. They literally do it on purpose. Hostile interview questions.

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Anonymous wrote:"I work in a hospital lab. The scientists make around 40 per hour with 2 dollars extra for night shift. Now, obviously 2 dollars is not enough. So day shift is staffed by Americans and night shift is 100% h1b.
I wouldn't call this a true worker shortage."

I agree. It's not a "worker shortage". It's a refusal to pay enough extra to make the night shift worth the hassle.

I disagree it's not pay issue it's "let's see how uncomfortable we can make the job such that Americans are unwilling to do it so that we can import immigrants." issue.

Believe it or not there is a whole industry that has evolved to make jobs look unappealing to Americans so that they can say none applied. They job may very well be fine; they just advertise it in the worst possible light. From misspelled skillz and l33t speak in the posting to snail mail to submit the CV. Oh and travel. It's a cubicle farm etc. They literally do it on purpose. Hostile interview questions.

In healthcare jobs it is completely a pay issue. We have our pick of local applicants for day shift jobs. It's the night that is impossible to staff.
During the beginning of covid almost all our older staff quit. Hospitals were paying an extra $18 per hour "emergency pay" and miraculously we were able to hire plenty of local technicians to replace the older ones with no h1b required. When that pay went away so did the workers and h1b to the rescue.

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If you all think Trump is your savior on this, you're a fool. Musk wants h1 workers, so Trump will allow it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all think Trump is your savior on this, you're a fool. Musk wants h1 workers, so Trump will allow it.

You haven't watched the news have you. He has already started to replace the lottery with a pay-based scale. He had tried to implement that prior, but Biden revoked it.

Choice is very clear here.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

Countries are supposed to do things that benefit their citizens specifically. Otherwise there's not really any benefit of being a citizen of a particular country. We see all sorts of protectionalism in other industries outside of tech. There's hoops to get other professional degrees recognized in the USA for doctors and lawyers, but not so much for STEM.

the USA is addicted to cheap labor at both the higher end and lower end.

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Anonymous wrote:No more international college students graduating into jobs they should go back

Awwww let me guess, either you or your kid could not get the job you wanted because there was someone smarter and more qualified than you (or your kid) that got it (more/better work/internship experience, higher ranked university etc). And rather than thinking "hmmmm how can I become a stronger candidate" you blame international students for your (or your kids) failure.

Pathetic. How about you try and compete in the market rather than expecting to be handed the good jobs just because you were born here...

This is one area where the maga base and the dem base have a ton of overlap. Not really a ton of people in favor of giving good paying jobs to foreigners, except the tech billionaires. But everyone hates them now.

DP. Agreed. And can someone explain why an American born citizen wouldn’t get preferential consideration in their home country? I mean — doesn’t the federal government give hiring preference to citizens that have already served in some capacity? Why not incentivize corporations to do the same?

Due to visa policies Americans already get preferential treatment by default (1 year Opt that then require H1b lottery, risky to hire).

But more specifically, as someone hiring to fill a need, why would I care if someone is US born or not. I am looking for the best candidate, if that happens to be someone US born, great, if not, that's completely fine as well. Employers want the best candidate, not someone who feels entitled to the job just because they were born here.

Lots of reasons you should care, if you care about your nation itself.

So even if you aren't particularly patriotic, you should care because some of those visas are explotative. It's a moral issue.

If you're truley going after the best possible cannidate you're not going for H1Bs, you're going for O visas for extraordinary people for the fields of science, education, economics and sports.