Vance on H1B
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Anonymous
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the bolded. I hear your second point—but what’s missing from the perspective in this discussion is the role of corporate responsibility, especially for companies that are headquartered in the U.S. and benefit directly from the legal, financial, and infrastructure systems funded by American taxpayers. If a corporation enjoys the protections of U.S. law, the use of U.S. infrastructure, and the advantage of U.S. consumer markets—then it stands to reason that investing back into that system by hiring its own citizens should be part of its social contract. This isn’t about nativism—it’s about balance. A company that avoids paying state and federal taxes while actively bypassing American talent isn’t optimizing—it’s exploiting. I could understand this logic if we were talking about a company based overseas. But U.S.-based corporations aren’t exempt from civic accountability just because they’re private entities. They’re operating in a public-private ecosystem—and the “public” part matters. |
Anonymous
What best candidate means is usually "cheapest" to a corporation. Why should they pay more if someone from an oppressive state will do it for less and even forgo most personal freedoms to do so? Though we really need to discuss if it is ethical to meet force with force when the globalists are using force to subject their spineless peons and want to move them here so that they can subjugate us in a similar fashion. Exhibit A: Foxconn riots and Apple, coming to factory near you. |
Anonymous
I don’t disagree with companies wanting to hire the stronger candidates but often that is not the way it is. Trying to compete with the market is difficult when visa holders make 30+% less than US workers. They are often like indentured servants to the companies that sponsor them. Switching jobs is difficult for them since they need to get the other company to sponsor them. If companies can just get the govt to drop some of the red tape, many more of us would be replaced. |
Anonymous
They aren't always stronger candidates either. I've worked in IT for over 30 years and have dealt with a ton of companies, and yes, some of the Indian engineers I've worked with are brilliant and hard working but I've also seen plenty who can barely code their way out of a paper bag, not to mention dealing with tons of communication issues. Often they aren't stronger, they're just cheaper. |
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+100% |
Anonymous
oh please, Rs have supported H1s, too. Trump loves them now that Musk basically owns him. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/370650-hatch-bill-would-dramatically-increase-h-1b-visas/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-vows-war-over-h-1b-visa-program-amid-rift-with-some-trump-supporters-2024-12-28/
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Anonymous
This is called free market economy capitalism. If you want to force companies to hire more expensive American workers, you need that dirty R word.... regulation. |
Anonymous
Typical democrat Devoid of facts. Full of contempt The troubling fact is that the OPT program was created entirely through regulation with no authorization from Congress whatsoever. It has been going on for so long, that many people assume that Congress authorized OPT when in fact, Congress has explicitly changed the law to prohibit it. Here is a history of how OPT came about. In reading this history, keep in mind that the regulations described here employ the euphemism "practical training" to refer to work. In 2007, Microsoft concocted a scheme to use OPT as a means to circumvent the H-1B quotas. Microsoft's plan was to extend the duration of OPT from a year to 29-months, so that the duration would be sufficient to serve as a guestworker program, rather than just an internship-type program. Microsoft proposed this scheme to the Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff at a dinner party at the home of the owner of the Washington Nationals baseball team. (See pp. 229-230 in the book Sold Out.) From there, DHS worked in absolute secrecy with industry lobbyists to craft regulations implementing Microsoft's plan. In a classic example of Washington cronyism, the first notice that DHS was even considering such regulations came when they were promulgated as a fait accompli, without notice and comment, on April 8, 2008 (73 Fed. Reg. 18,944). These regulations made three major expansions to OPT. First, they allowed aliens to remain in student visa status while they were unemployed so they could look for work. Second, they allowed aliens working under OPT to remain in student visa status from the time an H-1B petition was filed on their behalf until a final decision was made on the petition or the start date. This adds a maximum of 6 months to the OPT duration. Finally, they authorized a 17-month work period for aliens with degrees in fields DHS designates at Science/Technology/Engineering/Mathematics (STEM). This gave a maximum OPT duration of 35 months. The OPT program has been the subject of continuous litigation since then where, after nearly a decade, the federal courts have been unable to come to a decision on whether it is lawful. However in 2015, the D.C. District Court held that the 2008 OPT regulations had been promulgated unlawfully without notice and comment. In response to this opinion, DHS promulgated new regulations that did the same as the old regulations except that they expanded the STEM work period from 17 months to 24 months, giving a maximum OPT work period of 42 months (24+12+6). OPT is an example of the administrative state run amok. Instead of law coming from Congress, we have law coming from bureaucrats working hand-in-hand with lobbyists. OPT also illustrates the slippery-slope problem of regulation. Work on student visas started innocently as an integral part of a course of study to give foreign students an experience not available in their home country, but eventually was transformed into a full-blown guestworker program whose stated purpose is to provide labor to American business. https://cis.org/Report/History-Optional-Practical-Training-Guestworker-Program |
Anonymous
This. A few of us have been pointing out that high tech companies are canning HIGHLY SKILLED -- BRILLIANT -- American employees and handing those jobs to less qualified and less intelligent Indian H1B holders. With all the DEI incentives under the Democrats, more Indians became managers. Once Indians become managers, they won't hire Americans, hiring only fellow Indians under the H1B program. Maybe Americans like to talk inclusiveness, but these people are tribal. That is the reality. These high tech jobs are some of the highest paying jobs for middle class Americans, commanding salaries rivaling some physician salaries. The Indians who are replacing them are commanding similar salaries. Make no mistake - they are not getting hired on the cheap. What kind of idiots are we to allow our fellow Americans to get replaced by a foreign work force for some of the highest paying jobs in the U.S. ?? |
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Read a little please. When the federal government subsidizes foreign labor over our own children , how is that capitalism? Let them eat cake Federal gov makes it cheaper to hire F1s and OPTs than US citizens. Also employees are effectively slaves to one company About 10,000 per year subsidy. It is a disgrace , companies do not have to pay Medicare or payroll taxes on opts Note carefully that OPT did not arise out of legislation. Instead, the executive branch, many years ago, devised it on their own, declaring a post-graduation internship to be part of being a student. The original duration was one year, but was increased to 29 months by George W. Bush and then 36 months by Obama. the idea that someone graduating with a Master’s degree then needs a 3-year “internship” is preposterous. We take jobs from our own students and give them to foreign students to increase the wealth of elites. |
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^^ Terrible. It's not just our kids either. It's trying to hold on to one's job after age 40 when you're laid off. Trying to find a job post age 50 is nearly impossible.
This is not just tech either. Almost any back office work like accounting and finance (business degrees) is impacted. Walk into any hospital and most workers are not from the US. I asked why on another thread and was labeled racist. |
Anonymous
Corporate entities are legal fictions that exist with permission of the people. Their purpose is to serve societal goals. If you don’t care about your fellow citizens don’t be shocked when they form populist voting blocs adverse to your interests. |
Anonymous
Or you could close the border and have a closed ecosystem with protective tariffs but then you’ll have to embrace some icky “ism” like nativism. |
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Employers don't have to pay social security or medicare for that employee so that means they save 8% for each worker under OPT. Nearly 540,000 foreign nationals hold jobs in the U.S. without any FICA taxes taken out of their paychecks. This is costing the US billions and causing employers to give preference to foreign nationals over Americans.
At a minimum employers should be made to pay employment taxes. |
Anonymous
DP. When I went to an Ivy many years ago the international students were definitely not smarter or harder working but they were pretty much universally much, much wealthier. Because they are cash cows for universities. But you are right that wealth can give you more internship options as you can get random things through connections or do unpaid internships in HCOL areas. |