Conservatives of DCUM - where do you draw the line?

[Anonymous]

OP is confusing conservatives with Republicans. Trump and the current Republican party/cult are not conservative and in many cases, are diametrically opposed to Conservative positions, including (but not limited to):

upholding the Constitution

insisting on due process and the rule of law

supporting family values and holding our leaders to a higher moral standard

exercising fiscal responsibility and reducing the deficit

belief that strong alliances and international cooperation makes America both safer and more prosperous

upholding our commitments

supporting our veterans

etc.

As a conservative, he crossed the
line for me before his first election, and many times since.

I think it unlikely that Trump is a pedophile. I consider that possibility to be slightly more likely than Pizzagate, but less likely than his rumored activities with Russian prostitutes, which I have seen no evidence for and consider to most likely be fiction. Regardless, there are many more credible claims of sleazy sexual behavior, including his own claims of grabbing p**** that should make him anathema to conservatives. I also reject the Republican argument that because Democrats accepted Clinton’s sexual misconduct (which was nowhere near as egregious as Trump’s), they are hypocritical in protesting Trump’s. The question is not whether Democrats are hypocrites for complaining about Trump’s behavior, it is that Republicans are hypocrites for tolerating it.

I am not okay with any federal agents doing anything to anyone without due process. Color is irrelevant. Whether someone is black, white, brown, or pea-green with purple polka dots, the Constitution guarantees that everyone is entitled to due process. If we do not hold that as an absolute that extends to everybody, we weaken it and make it possible to be refused to anyone.

While I’m okay with deporting illegal immigrants (after they’ve been afforded due process), that’s not what’s happening here, and I don’t know why Democrats are accepting that terminology and using it themselves. Deportation would imply that America is putting people on buses or planes and sending them back over the border they initially crossed to enter our country, with best wishes to have a happy life - elsewhere. What we are doing is convicting people without a trial and sentencing them to life imprisonment in a foreign concentration camp. This isn’t deportation, it’s cruel and unusual punishment, human trafficking, and about 1/2 step away from slavery. South Sudan is basically at war, has a major refugee crisis, and has a history of using child soldiers - how can we not expect that any “deportees” are liable to end up as cannon fodder, if they even live that long.

Trump has joked (kidded) about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s also said he doesn’t kid. I fully expect that sooner or later, he’s going to do it, just to prove he can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a registered Republican.
I am moderate but swing conservative on most issues.
I voted AGAINST Trump because I couldn't get past Trump the man and the extreme MAGA. That's where I drew the line.

BUT...and it's a big BUT...I do still support most of the EOs/policies of the current administration -- just not necessarily the method of implementation which is too extreme IMHO. This is why even though I am anti-Trump I am not necessarily against all the EOs/policies.

I would still consider voting R for the next POTUS so long as it's not a nut job like Trump.

I'll add....if the Democrats put forth someone as progressive/far left as Mamdani or AOC that'll be another reason for me to vote R.
I'll vote D IF and only IF they put forth someone moderate like Kelly. I only voted Harris because I was anti-Trump and I'm not alone.

On the one hand, capitalism with guardrails and universal healthcare and on the other, a Christian Nationalist Authoritarian State.

tough decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a registered Republican.
I am moderate but swing conservative on most issues.
I voted AGAINST Trump because I couldn't get past Trump the man and the extreme MAGA. That's where I drew the line.

BUT...and it's a big BUT...I do still support most of the EOs/policies of the current administration -- just not necessarily the method of implementation which is too extreme IMHO. This is why even though I am anti-Trump I am not necessarily against all the EOs/policies.

I would still consider voting R for the next POTUS so long as it's not a nut job like Trump.

I am glad to hear from someone who drew the line at Trump. I am assuming the EOs/policies you support are ones that any republican potus would have done. That’s what baffles me so much about their loyalty to Trump. There are plenty of qualified republicans who can deliver conservative policy without committing every crime in the book, embarrassing the entire country, and destroying the constitution.

Agree. I also did not vote for Trump in either of the primaries. Admittedly I did vote for Trump in 2016 but instead of improving his public image he only made it worse so...“fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a registered Republican.
I am moderate but swing conservative on most issues.
I voted AGAINST Trump because I couldn't get past Trump the man and the extreme MAGA. That's where I drew the line.

BUT...and it's a big BUT...I do still support most of the EOs/policies of the current administration -- just not necessarily the method of implementation which is too extreme IMHO. This is why even though I am anti-Trump I am not necessarily against all the EOs/policies.

I would still consider voting R for the next POTUS so long as it's not a nut job like Trump.

I am glad to hear from someone who drew the line at Trump. I am assuming the EOs/policies you support are ones that any republican potus would have done. That’s what baffles me so much about their loyalty to Trump. There are plenty of qualified republicans who can deliver conservative policy without committing every crime in the book, embarrassing the entire country, and destroying the constitution.

Then how about actually having the US congress pass laws and adhering to them instead of this EO mess. The reason Obama issued EOs (which are not laws) was because McConnell and the GOP suspended regular order and basically committed to nothing coming from the black president. Same thing when McConnell refused to even have hearings for Obama appointments and the Chief Justice begged Harry Reid to break the filibuster to restock the empty seats. Its almost like it was a conspiracy between McConnell and Scalia to break the senate and here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP is confusing conservatives with Republicans. Trump and the current Republican party/cult are not conservative and in many cases, are diametrically opposed to Conservative positions, including (but not limited to):

upholding the Constitution

insisting on due process and the rule of law

supporting family values and holding our leaders to a higher moral standard

exercising fiscal responsibility and reducing the deficit

belief that strong alliances and international cooperation makes America both safer and more prosperous

upholding our commitments

supporting our veterans

etc.

As a conservative, he crossed the
line for me before his first election, and many times since.

I think it unlikely that Trump is a pedophile. I consider that possibility to be slightly more likely than Pizzagate, but less likely than his rumored activities with Russian prostitutes, which I have seen no evidence for and consider to most likely be fiction. Regardless, there are many more credible claims of sleazy sexual behavior, including his own claims of grabbing p**** that should make him anathema to conservatives. I also reject the Republican argument that because Democrats accepted Clinton’s sexual misconduct (which was nowhere near as egregious as Trump’s), they are hypocritical in protesting Trump’s. The question is not whether Democrats are hypocrites for complaining about Trump’s behavior, it is that Republicans are hypocrites for tolerating it.

I am not okay with any federal agents doing anything to anyone without due process. Color is irrelevant. Whether someone is black, white, brown, or pea-green with purple polka dots, the Constitution guarantees that everyone is entitled to due process. If we do not hold that as an absolute that extends to everybody, we weaken it and make it possible to be refused to anyone.

While I’m okay with deporting illegal immigrants (after they’ve been afforded due process), that’s not what’s happening here, and I don’t know why Democrats are accepting that terminology and using it themselves. Deportation would imply that America is putting people on buses or planes and sending them back over the border they initially crossed to enter our country, with best wishes to have a happy life - elsewhere. What we are doing is convicting people without a trial and sentencing them to life imprisonment in a foreign concentration camp. This isn’t deportation, it’s cruel and unusual punishment, human trafficking, and about 1/2 step away from slavery. South Sudan is basically at war, has a major refugee crisis, and has a history of using child soldiers - how can we not expect that any “deportees” are liable to end up as cannon fodder, if they even live that long.

Trump has joked (kidded) about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s also said he doesn’t kid. I fully expect that sooner or later, he’s going to do it, just to prove he can.

The bolded are all things the democrats support, believe in and execute on.

Just sayin'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is confusing conservatives with Republicans. Trump and the current Republican party/cult are not conservative and in many cases, are diametrically opposed to Conservative positions, including (but not limited to):

upholding the Constitution

insisting on due process and the rule of law

supporting family values and holding our leaders to a higher moral standard

exercising fiscal responsibility and reducing the deficit

belief that strong alliances and international cooperation makes America both safer and more prosperous

upholding our commitments

supporting our veterans

etc.

As a conservative, he crossed the
line for me before his first election, and many times since.

I think it unlikely that Trump is a pedophile. I consider that possibility to be slightly more likely than Pizzagate, but less likely than his rumored activities with Russian prostitutes, which I have seen no evidence for and consider to most likely be fiction. Regardless, there are many more credible claims of sleazy sexual behavior, including his own claims of grabbing p**** that should make him anathema to conservatives. I also reject the Republican argument that because Democrats accepted Clinton’s sexual misconduct (which was nowhere near as egregious as Trump’s), they are hypocritical in protesting Trump’s. The question is not whether Democrats are hypocrites for complaining about Trump’s behavior, it is that Republicans are hypocrites for tolerating it.

I am not okay with any federal agents doing anything to anyone without due process. Color is irrelevant. Whether someone is black, white, brown, or pea-green with purple polka dots, the Constitution guarantees that everyone is entitled to due process. If we do not hold that as an absolute that extends to everybody, we weaken it and make it possible to be refused to anyone.

While I’m okay with deporting illegal immigrants (after they’ve been afforded due process), that’s not what’s happening here, and I don’t know why Democrats are accepting that terminology and using it themselves. Deportation would imply that America is putting people on buses or planes and sending them back over the border they initially crossed to enter our country, with best wishes to have a happy life - elsewhere. What we are doing is convicting people without a trial and sentencing them to life imprisonment in a foreign concentration camp. This isn’t deportation, it’s cruel and unusual punishment, human trafficking, and about 1/2 step away from slavery. South Sudan is basically at war, has a major refugee crisis, and has a history of using child soldiers - how can we not expect that any “deportees” are liable to end up as cannon fodder, if they even live that long.

Trump has joked (kidded) about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s also said he doesn’t kid. I fully expect that sooner or later, he’s going to do it, just to prove he can.

The bolded are all things the democrats support, believe in and execute on.

Just sayin'

Democrats want transgender story hour in libraries while punishing law-abiding citizens for defending themselves instead of putting criminals in jail (see, e.g. Daniel Perry). Democrats have one unifying belief, but most folks don't see it yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is confusing conservatives with Republicans. Trump and the current Republican party/cult are not conservative and in many cases, are diametrically opposed to Conservative positions, including (but not limited to):

upholding the Constitution

insisting on due process and the rule of law

supporting family values and holding our leaders to a higher moral standard

exercising fiscal responsibility and reducing the deficit

belief that strong alliances and international cooperation makes America both safer and more prosperous

upholding our commitments

supporting our veterans

etc.

As a conservative, he crossed the
line for me before his first election, and many times since.

I think it unlikely that Trump is a pedophile. I consider that possibility to be slightly more likely than Pizzagate, but less likely than his rumored activities with Russian prostitutes, which I have seen no evidence for and consider to most likely be fiction. Regardless, there are many more credible claims of sleazy sexual behavior, including his own claims of grabbing p**** that should make him anathema to conservatives. I also reject the Republican argument that because Democrats accepted Clinton’s sexual misconduct (which was nowhere near as egregious as Trump’s), they are hypocritical in protesting Trump’s. The question is not whether Democrats are hypocrites for complaining about Trump’s behavior, it is that Republicans are hypocrites for tolerating it.

I am not okay with any federal agents doing anything to anyone without due process. Color is irrelevant. Whether someone is black, white, brown, or pea-green with purple polka dots, the Constitution guarantees that everyone is entitled to due process. If we do not hold that as an absolute that extends to everybody, we weaken it and make it possible to be refused to anyone.

While I’m okay with deporting illegal immigrants (after they’ve been afforded due process), that’s not what’s happening here, and I don’t know why Democrats are accepting that terminology and using it themselves. Deportation would imply that America is putting people on buses or planes and sending them back over the border they initially crossed to enter our country, with best wishes to have a happy life - elsewhere. What we are doing is convicting people without a trial and sentencing them to life imprisonment in a foreign concentration camp. This isn’t deportation, it’s cruel and unusual punishment, human trafficking, and about 1/2 step away from slavery. South Sudan is basically at war, has a major refugee crisis, and has a history of using child soldiers - how can we not expect that any “deportees” are liable to end up as cannon fodder, if they even live that long.

Trump has joked (kidded) about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s also said he doesn’t kid. I fully expect that sooner or later, he’s going to do it, just to prove he can.

The bolded are all things the democrats support, believe in and execute on.

Just sayin'

PP you responded to

As a conservative, I’ve been voting straight Democratic tickets. While I disagree with the Democrats on many issues and sometimes think they are taking the country in the wrong direction, at least they are trying to preserve the country. Once America is secure under the Constitution again, then we can return to debating issues. Until then, however, all issues (however deeply I may care about them) are irrelevant. Under a dictator, whatever issues he may claim to espouse, the only issues that matter are his personal whims at that particular moment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is confusing conservatives with Republicans. Trump and the current Republican party/cult are not conservative and in many cases, are diametrically opposed to Conservative positions, including (but not limited to):

upholding the Constitution

insisting on due process and the rule of law

supporting family values and holding our leaders to a higher moral standard

exercising fiscal responsibility and reducing the deficit

belief that strong alliances and international cooperation makes America both safer and more prosperous

upholding our commitments

supporting our veterans

etc.

As a conservative, he crossed the
line for me before his first election, and many times since.

I think it unlikely that Trump is a pedophile. I consider that possibility to be slightly more likely than Pizzagate, but less likely than his rumored activities with Russian prostitutes, which I have seen no evidence for and consider to most likely be fiction. Regardless, there are many more credible claims of sleazy sexual behavior, including his own claims of grabbing p**** that should make him anathema to conservatives. I also reject the Republican argument that because Democrats accepted Clinton’s sexual misconduct (which was nowhere near as egregious as Trump’s), they are hypocritical in protesting Trump’s. The question is not whether Democrats are hypocrites for complaining about Trump’s behavior, it is that Republicans are hypocrites for tolerating it.

I am not okay with any federal agents doing anything to anyone without due process. Color is irrelevant. Whether someone is black, white, brown, or pea-green with purple polka dots, the Constitution guarantees that everyone is entitled to due process. If we do not hold that as an absolute that extends to everybody, we weaken it and make it possible to be refused to anyone.

While I’m okay with deporting illegal immigrants (after they’ve been afforded due process), that’s not what’s happening here, and I don’t know why Democrats are accepting that terminology and using it themselves. Deportation would imply that America is putting people on buses or planes and sending them back over the border they initially crossed to enter our country, with best wishes to have a happy life - elsewhere. What we are doing is convicting people without a trial and sentencing them to life imprisonment in a foreign concentration camp. This isn’t deportation, it’s cruel and unusual punishment, human trafficking, and about 1/2 step away from slavery. South Sudan is basically at war, has a major refugee crisis, and has a history of using child soldiers - how can we not expect that any “deportees” are liable to end up as cannon fodder, if they even live that long.

Trump has joked (kidded) about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s also said he doesn’t kid. I fully expect that sooner or later, he’s going to do it, just to prove he can.

The bolded are all things the democrats support, believe in and execute on.

Just sayin'

Democrats want transgender story hour in libraries while punishing law-abiding citizens for defending themselves instead of putting criminals in jail (see, e.g. Daniel Perry). Democrats have one unifying belief, but most folks don't see it yet.

Hey, I want to play the “describe the party I learned about from my chosen propaganda outlet” game too! Republicans want women chained to radiators and everyone bankrupt or dead of measles. They eat broken glass and have horns growing out of the middle of their foreheads. All of them. Every single one. You can recognize them by their inability to spell and their slight metallic sheen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is confusing conservatives with Republicans. Trump and the current Republican party/cult are not conservative and in many cases, are diametrically opposed to Conservative positions, including (but not limited to):

upholding the Constitution

insisting on due process and the rule of law

supporting family values and holding our leaders to a higher moral standard

exercising fiscal responsibility and reducing the deficit

belief that strong alliances and international cooperation makes America both safer and more prosperous

upholding our commitments

supporting our veterans

etc.

As a conservative, he crossed the
line for me before his first election, and many times since.

I think it unlikely that Trump is a pedophile. I consider that possibility to be slightly more likely than Pizzagate, but less likely than his rumored activities with Russian prostitutes, which I have seen no evidence for and consider to most likely be fiction. Regardless, there are many more credible claims of sleazy sexual behavior, including his own claims of grabbing p**** that should make him anathema to conservatives. I also reject the Republican argument that because Democrats accepted Clinton’s sexual misconduct (which was nowhere near as egregious as Trump’s), they are hypocritical in protesting Trump’s. The question is not whether Democrats are hypocrites for complaining about Trump’s behavior, it is that Republicans are hypocrites for tolerating it.

I am not okay with any federal agents doing anything to anyone without due process. Color is irrelevant. Whether someone is black, white, brown, or pea-green with purple polka dots, the Constitution guarantees that everyone is entitled to due process. If we do not hold that as an absolute that extends to everybody, we weaken it and make it possible to be refused to anyone.

While I’m okay with deporting illegal immigrants (after they’ve been afforded due process), that’s not what’s happening here, and I don’t know why Democrats are accepting that terminology and using it themselves. Deportation would imply that America is putting people on buses or planes and sending them back over the border they initially crossed to enter our country, with best wishes to have a happy life - elsewhere. What we are doing is convicting people without a trial and sentencing them to life imprisonment in a foreign concentration camp. This isn’t deportation, it’s cruel and unusual punishment, human trafficking, and about 1/2 step away from slavery. South Sudan is basically at war, has a major refugee crisis, and has a history of using child soldiers - how can we not expect that any “deportees” are liable to end up as cannon fodder, if they even live that long.

Trump has joked (kidded) about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s also said he doesn’t kid. I fully expect that sooner or later, he’s going to do it, just to prove he can.

The bolded are all things the democrats support, believe in and execute on.

Just sayin'

Democrats want transgender story hour in libraries while punishing law-abiding citizens for defending themselves instead of putting criminals in jail (see, e.g. Daniel Perry). Democrats have one unifying belief, but most folks don't see it yet.

Look, you’ve been drinking the Fox News kool-aide. We get it. No one cares about drag story time. No one was forced to attend them. It was voluntary. I don’t know one person that has ever attended one, but I don’t care if they did. I am not sure why you’d care or why you think that’s its bay of your business.

Also, we believe that you should d be able to sends yourself, don’t be an idiot. However, Daniel Perry deserved to go to jail. He should still be there. May he have a terrible life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is confusing conservatives with Republicans. Trump and the current Republican party/cult are not conservative and in many cases, are diametrically opposed to Conservative positions, including (but not limited to):

upholding the Constitution

insisting on due process and the rule of law

supporting family values and holding our leaders to a higher moral standard

exercising fiscal responsibility and reducing the deficit

belief that strong alliances and international cooperation makes America both safer and more prosperous

upholding our commitments

supporting our veterans

etc.

As a conservative, he crossed the
line for me before his first election, and many times since.

I think it unlikely that Trump is a pedophile. I consider that possibility to be slightly more likely than Pizzagate, but less likely than his rumored activities with Russian prostitutes, which I have seen no evidence for and consider to most likely be fiction. Regardless, there are many more credible claims of sleazy sexual behavior, including his own claims of grabbing p**** that should make him anathema to conservatives. I also reject the Republican argument that because Democrats accepted Clinton’s sexual misconduct (which was nowhere near as egregious as Trump’s), they are hypocritical in protesting Trump’s. The question is not whether Democrats are hypocrites for complaining about Trump’s behavior, it is that Republicans are hypocrites for tolerating it.

I am not okay with any federal agents doing anything to anyone without due process. Color is irrelevant. Whether someone is black, white, brown, or pea-green with purple polka dots, the Constitution guarantees that everyone is entitled to due process. If we do not hold that as an absolute that extends to everybody, we weaken it and make it possible to be refused to anyone.

While I’m okay with deporting illegal immigrants (after they’ve been afforded due process), that’s not what’s happening here, and I don’t know why Democrats are accepting that terminology and using it themselves. Deportation would imply that America is putting people on buses or planes and sending them back over the border they initially crossed to enter our country, with best wishes to have a happy life - elsewhere. What we are doing is convicting people without a trial and sentencing them to life imprisonment in a foreign concentration camp. This isn’t deportation, it’s cruel and unusual punishment, human trafficking, and about 1/2 step away from slavery. South Sudan is basically at war, has a major refugee crisis, and has a history of using child soldiers - how can we not expect that any “deportees” are liable to end up as cannon fodder, if they even live that long.

Trump has joked (kidded) about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s also said he doesn’t kid. I fully expect that sooner or later, he’s going to do it, just to prove he can.

The bolded are all things the democrats support, believe in and execute on.

Just sayin'

Democrats want transgender story hour in libraries while punishing law-abiding citizens for defending themselves instead of putting criminals in jail (see, e.g. Daniel Perry). Democrats have one unifying belief, but most folks don't see it yet.

Hey, I want to play the “describe the party I learned about from my chosen propaganda outlet” game too! Republicans want women chained to radiators and everyone bankrupt or dead of measles. They eat broken glass and have horns growing out of the middle of their foreheads. All of them. Every single one. You can recognize them by their inability to spell and their slight metallic sheen.

You forgot that they are pedos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is confusing conservatives with Republicans. Trump and the current Republican party/cult are not conservative and in many cases, are diametrically opposed to Conservative positions, including (but not limited to):

upholding the Constitution

insisting on due process and the rule of law

supporting family values and holding our leaders to a higher moral standard

exercising fiscal responsibility and reducing the deficit

belief that strong alliances and international cooperation makes America both safer and more prosperous

upholding our commitments

supporting our veterans

etc.

As a conservative, he crossed the
line for me before his first election, and many times since.

I think it unlikely that Trump is a pedophile. I consider that possibility to be slightly more likely than Pizzagate, but less likely than his rumored activities with Russian prostitutes, which I have seen no evidence for and consider to most likely be fiction. Regardless, there are many more credible claims of sleazy sexual behavior, including his own claims of grabbing p**** that should make him anathema to conservatives. I also reject the Republican argument that because Democrats accepted Clinton’s sexual misconduct (which was nowhere near as egregious as Trump’s), they are hypocritical in protesting Trump’s. The question is not whether Democrats are hypocrites for complaining about Trump’s behavior, it is that Republicans are hypocrites for tolerating it.

I am not okay with any federal agents doing anything to anyone without due process. Color is irrelevant. Whether someone is black, white, brown, or pea-green with purple polka dots, the Constitution guarantees that everyone is entitled to due process. If we do not hold that as an absolute that extends to everybody, we weaken it and make it possible to be refused to anyone.

While I’m okay with deporting illegal immigrants (after they’ve been afforded due process), that’s not what’s happening here, and I don’t know why Democrats are accepting that terminology and using it themselves. Deportation would imply that America is putting people on buses or planes and sending them back over the border they initially crossed to enter our country, with best wishes to have a happy life - elsewhere. What we are doing is convicting people without a trial and sentencing them to life imprisonment in a foreign concentration camp. This isn’t deportation, it’s cruel and unusual punishment, human trafficking, and about 1/2 step away from slavery. South Sudan is basically at war, has a major refugee crisis, and has a history of using child soldiers - how can we not expect that any “deportees” are liable to end up as cannon fodder, if they even live that long.

Trump has joked (kidded) about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s also said he doesn’t kid. I fully expect that sooner or later, he’s going to do it, just to prove he can.

The bolded are all things the democrats support, believe in and execute on.

Just sayin'

Democrats want transgender story hour in libraries while punishing law-abiding citizens for defending themselves instead of putting criminals in jail (see, e.g. Daniel Perry). Democrats have one unifying belief, but most folks don't see it yet.

Forget Democrats. I’m a conservative. Are you claiming to be one? If so, please answer the following questions, one conservative to another:

1. Do you think America should be governed according to the Constitution?

2. Do you think the President should uphold his oath of office to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States”?

3. Do you consider a President who talks about terminating parts of the Constitution, says he doesn’t know if he needs to follow the Constitution, and issues orders that violate it to be upholding his oath of office?

4. Do you understand that if we allow the decisions of one man to override the Constitution, even in the smallest part, to anyone, then we have lost all of its protections for everyone? At that point it becomes a suggestion, rather than a guarantee, of rights.

5. Are you aware that dictators throughout history, have repeatedly become so paranoid about threats to their power that everyone is perceived as suspicious, and they often turn on those who helped them attain power? You may think Trump will only act against illegal aliens that are criminals, but he has already tried to redefine citizenship (against the Constitutional definition) and seems to be redefining opposition as crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on OP.
While it is gross and inappropriate that old men used to openly slaver over young women, that does not equate to being actual pedophiles (who are attracted pre-pubescent children) and when you conflate the two, you dilute the meaning of the word.

I’ve been watching movies from the 80s. We have forgotten what things used to be like. Yes it is gross when men of any age ogle and leer at women, but it used to be accepted as par for the course. Trump is just a dinosaur.

Epstein was literally running a pedophile mill. Do you not get this?

NP. Okay —

Do you prefer that the convicted felon and commander in chief be referred to as a Pedophile’s Accomplice?

The fact that people are deflecting to being pedantic about whether a child has experienced puberty or not does not change the fact that, until 18, that child is a …child. Period.
DP
While it's possible that Trump was an accessory to 95% of Epstien's crimes, that doesn't mean he's attracted to young girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First, I don’t know where this latest “Trump is a pedophile” narrative came from but it is not true. So dismiss that right now.

And ICE is identifying and arresting those in the country illegally. That includes people of all different skin colors. Why do you object to people here illegally being deported?

Not dismissing it, because it is likely true. The question is, will that be enough to make maga see the truth?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is confusing conservatives with Republicans. Trump and the current Republican party/cult are not conservative and in many cases, are diametrically opposed to Conservative positions, including (but not limited to):

upholding the Constitution

insisting on due process and the rule of law

supporting family values and holding our leaders to a higher moral standard

exercising fiscal responsibility and reducing the deficit

belief that strong alliances and international cooperation makes America both safer and more prosperous

upholding our commitments

supporting our veterans

etc.

As a conservative, he crossed the
line for me before his first election, and many times since.

I think it unlikely that Trump is a pedophile. I consider that possibility to be slightly more likely than Pizzagate, but less likely than his rumored activities with Russian prostitutes, which I have seen no evidence for and consider to most likely be fiction. Regardless, there are many more credible claims of sleazy sexual behavior, including his own claims of grabbing p**** that should make him anathema to conservatives. I also reject the Republican argument that because Democrats accepted Clinton’s sexual misconduct (which was nowhere near as egregious as Trump’s), they are hypocritical in protesting Trump’s. The question is not whether Democrats are hypocrites for complaining about Trump’s behavior, it is that Republicans are hypocrites for tolerating it.

I am not okay with any federal agents doing anything to anyone without due process. Color is irrelevant. Whether someone is black, white, brown, or pea-green with purple polka dots, the Constitution guarantees that everyone is entitled to due process. If we do not hold that as an absolute that extends to everybody, we weaken it and make it possible to be refused to anyone.

While I’m okay with deporting illegal immigrants (after they’ve been afforded due process), that’s not what’s happening here, and I don’t know why Democrats are accepting that terminology and using it themselves. Deportation would imply that America is putting people on buses or planes and sending them back over the border they initially crossed to enter our country, with best wishes to have a happy life - elsewhere. What we are doing is convicting people without a trial and sentencing them to life imprisonment in a foreign concentration camp. This isn’t deportation, it’s cruel and unusual punishment, human trafficking, and about 1/2 step away from slavery. South Sudan is basically at war, has a major refugee crisis, and has a history of using child soldiers - how can we not expect that any “deportees” are liable to end up as cannon fodder, if they even live that long.

Trump has joked (kidded) about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s also said he doesn’t kid. I fully expect that sooner or later, he’s going to do it, just to prove he can.

The bolded are all things the democrats support, believe in and execute on.

Just sayin'

Democrats want transgender story hour in libraries while punishing law-abiding citizens for defending themselves instead of putting criminals in jail (see, e.g. Daniel Perry). Democrats have one unifying belief, but most folks don't see it yet.

Forget Democrats. I’m a conservative. Are you claiming to be one? If so, please answer the following questions, one conservative to another:

1. Do you think America should be governed according to the Constitution?
YES

2. Do you think the President should uphold his oath of office to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States”?

YES

3. Do you consider a President who talks about terminating parts of the Constitution, says he doesn’t know if he needs to follow the Constitution, and issues orders that violate it to be upholding his oath of office?

NO

4. Do you understand that if we allow the decisions of one man to override the Constitution, even in the smallest part, to anyone, then we have lost all of its protections for everyone? At that point it becomes a suggestion, rather than a guarantee, of rights.

YES

5. Are you aware that dictators throughout history, have repeatedly become so paranoid about threats to their power that everyone is perceived as suspicious, and they often turn on those who helped them attain power? You may think Trump will only act against illegal aliens that are criminals, but he has already tried to redefine citizenship (against the Constitutional definition) and seems to be redefining opposition as crime.

YES


vr,
Independent Conservative, but not the PP you replied to.

[Anonymous]

The real question is when will Democrats field a candidate that will not expand the overwhelming immigration?

When will they return to be the party of labor again and focus on helping US workers first?

Then I can vote for a Democrat. Until then anyone else is better