Conservatives of DCUM - where do you draw the line?

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If Trump is a pedophile - Will that deter your support for him?

My opinion of Trump does not matter because it has no power to seat/unseat a president. Just because Trump acts like a Democrat does not mean I will stop supporting the Republican party. If Trump is removed, it will be president Vance. If Trump stays, more Liberals implode, some by self-immolation, some to live in a mental asylum which is what the Democratic party looks like to me: a loony bin full of weird-haired circus freaks screaming about pronouns.

Win-Win.

On immigration - are you ok with ICE rounding up all brown people and holding them/deporting them with no due process?

It is not about brown people—way to go supporting that stupid narrative, it is about waves of lawless invaders crossing our borders which is illegal to do regardless of skin color.

The equivalent of due process is served if a person is in this country without a visa or proper authorization. Not being able to speak English along with no identification means Uncle Sam’s big boot goes right into your butt and out the door you go. Good-bye and good riddance!

From my view republicans are pretty much fine with anything Trump does as long as the economy is humming along and they are getting richer. He could actually murder someone in broad daylight or sexually assault someone and they probably wouldn’t care.

Anything Trump does is 10,000 times better than anything the Democrats would do. In some cases, Trump is the lesser of two evils.

The Democratic party is the party of murder, sexual deviance, and perversion. It is soft on crime, giving light sentences or none at all for those who do evil.

Calling Democrats the “party of perversion and crime” is projection at best and propaganda at worst. Let’s unpack the irony:

- 34-time FELON Donald Trump has been found liable for sexual abuse and defamation by a jury in the E. Jean Carroll case, and ordered to pay over $88 million in damages. That’s not hearsay or fake news, it’s a legal verdict.

- More than 25 women have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct, including rape, groping, and walking in on underage pageant contestants.

- Republican leaders defended Roy Moore, a Senate candidate accused of pursuing teenage girls when he was in his 30s.

- Dennis Hastert, the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House, admitted to sexually abusing teenage boys and paid hush money to cover it up.

- Matt Gaetz, a sitting Republican congressman, is under investigation for sex trafficking of a minor.

If you want to talk about “perversion,” start with the party that keeps elevating men with credible sexual abuse allegations and covering them up, as Republicans are currently doing with the Epstein files.

As for crime? Democratic-led cities have seen drops in violent crime, and Democratic lawmakers have passed bipartisan legislation to fund police and reform sentencing. Meanwhile, Republicans push fear-based narratives while opposing gun safety laws that could actually reduce crime.

And on immigration: ICE under Trump has violated due process repeatedly, detaining migrants without hearings, deporting them to third countries with as little as six hours’ notice, and even arresting people inside courthouses without warrants. That’s not law and order—it’s authoritarianism.

So no, Democrats aren’t the party of crime or perversion. They’re the party trying to fix broken systems while Republicans defend abusers, ignore court rulings, and weaponize cruelty for political gain.

No one thinks a NY jury is capable of applying the law correctly any more than people are persuaded by so-called "credible" allegations of sexual assault. Those words no longer have meaning because Democrats have corrupted our systems.

Karma can be a biatch for you and all the females in your life. How could you be so dismissive and disgusting of all those women who finally came out of the shadows to testify under oath against predator trump.

This type of stuff doesn't happen to the women in my life, and I don't find the gang-piling to make their allegations more credible.

If you want to convince me you can tell credible accusations apart from bad ones, please tell me the best reasons why Christine Ford's allegations likely lacked merit?

The women in your life would never tell you about this. Based upon your answers here, you are not a safe person to talk to about this topic. The women in your life will lie to you if you ask because you are clearly not someone who would listen to them.

Go ahead and be proud of that if you want to.

Love how no one explains why Christine Ford's allegations were likely bogus and instead shriek at the poster for noticing.

And I do not support your view of women that women will lie to men if the men do not agree with them. Maybe you do that, but not all women are like that. In my experience, however, women lie when they want to distract from their own misconduct. If you start pulling at that thread, you end up with Christine Ford-like stories, which is probably why you are attacking me instead of engaging in debate.

You are proving my point over and over again.

I’m not saying the women in your life are always lying to you. I’m saying if you ask directly about the topic of sexual assault, a woman in your life will not answer you that they have experienced that even if you have.

You are saying “women lie when they want to distract from their own misconduct”. Which is just like saying “she was assaulted because her skirt was too short and a man saw her breasts and was unable to control himself because of misconduct”

Bye now- we are just going to continue to disagree and this conversation can only devolve from here.

DP. Keep pushing identity politics. Nothing else seems to be working for you.

Trump is ALL identify politics. You just like the identities better.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the two specifics OP mentioned: is there a line?

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Oh, there’s a line—they just redraw it every time their guy crosses it.

Sexual assault? “Gray area.”
Child trafficking? “Complicated.”
Bribery, blackmail, obstruction? “Fake news.”

As long as the system is being “disrupted” in their favor, suddenly everything becomes negotiable. You could find Epstein’s name tattooed on someone’s ledger in blood and they’d still ask, “But did you see the plane logs?”

And when cornered? The attitude is dismissive or defensive as they fall back on The First “Lady” (Skank) Melania’s infamous shrug. “Boys will be boys.” “I dont really care, do you?” while bringing up political grievances harbored from past administrations. They are bitter.

Here’s the problem: Bad parenting isn’t illegal. Being a skanky escort isn’t illegal. Rape is. Sexual exploitation is. Human trafficking is.

What we’re witnessing isn’t a lack of evidence—it’s a lack of will. A.LACK.OF.WILL. When your tribe controls the files, the framing, and the fallout, accountability becomes optional.

That’s not a justice system. That’s a protection racket wrapped in a flag and baptized in selective outrage.

You as a democrat are going to lecture anyone on human trafficking?

That's like a pillar of your party, FFS. Cartels, Coyotes, Rape Trees, Alejandro Mayorkas, Smuggling with a wink and a nod?

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/dozens-found-dead-san-antonio-texas-truck-tractor-trailer/3751980/

I’m not a Democrat. Nor a dimwit. I’m an Independent—strategically so. I’ve been registered with both major parties at different points, but I vote based on policy, not personality. My allegiance is to whichever candidate or party is best equipped to address domestic and global challenges during their term.

If human trafficking is a “pillar” of any political party, then tear it down—forcefully and responsibly. But let’s not be lazy about it. Dismantle the system with a plan so we’re not just setting fire to institutions and expecting justice to rise from the ashes.

I support the deportation of undocumented immigrants who commit violent or predatory crimes. I also support sanctuary cities and vetted asylum policies for those fleeing legitimate danger. It’s called nuance—something cable news and partisan echo chambers have long abandoned.

You don’t get to cherry-pick your outrage. Either you care about justice or you don’t. The rest is tribal noise.

Love,
An American Independent 🇺🇸

Narrator: the person you are responding to doesn't actually care about justice and doesn't know the meaning of the word "nuance"

Thank you. My sincere hope is that the person I was responding to doesn’t reflect the reasoning process of most Americans.

It would be refreshing if more people not only recognized nuance—but also knew what to do with it.

That’s how real solutions begin.

Screw your nuance. It's a mask for pushing your one-world, no borders, and soft on crime agenda.

Been there, done that.

You gave a BS statement. This is what you want to believe about Dems, but it isn't true. What is a one world, no borders, soft on crime? No borders? Just like Trump is not all Rs, Biden was not all Ds. One world? Soft on crime? Where is that legislation?

Economy - dems favored every single time. The economy is not growing. People are not spending. Houses are sitting. College grads can't find jobs. Is that what you signed up for?

I know. You signed up for endless Quantitative Easing, money creation and a systematic devaluing of our currency to keep the music going. I didn't.

People shouldn't be spending. They're far in debt. You didn't get the memo?

The days of massive spending to buy wind turbines, solar panels and batteries from China have come to an end. You want green energy, pay for it yourselves without massive government subsidies.

You really are clueless. Clean energy companies opened 46 manufacturing plants in the US last year. Another 160 were either permitted or starting construction. That was all the IRA. We were the only industry bringing jobs back. So subsidies for coal and oil and gas are fine, but not clean energy? Clean energy is the fastest to deploy. Your bills are going up. The truth is, when Rs complained about Solyndra going bankrupt under Obama, what they didn't realize was that China bought their assets and improved upon them. They bought many US companies on the brink of creating the best technology. We ceded the industry to China. That's why they have the best technology. We were getting it back until Trump. Yay! We get to go back to the 50s and the rest of the world is looking to the future.

Yes, IRA as in the 'Inflation Reduction Act". Think of it. The government decides we need more spending on what we clearly don't need. Then it creates money out of thin air and calls it an inflation reduction measure.

Brilliant.

It's as brilliant as the "Big Beautiful Bill" that gives tax breaks to billionaires and cuts 17 million people off of medicaid.

The IRA had HUGE benefits to Americans, like well paying jobs. So what is your excuse for subsidies for oil and gas? They really don't need them. The rest of the world is going to leave us behind and you are excited about 'Merica from 1950.

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No one loses their right to an opinion—but credibility still matters.

If you backed a guy who pushed steaks, a fake university, and a tax plan that exploded the deficit, maybe sit this one out when it comes to lecturing people about fiscal responsibility.

The Inflation Reduction Act isn’t flawless—but it’s brought jobs, manufacturing, and clean energy investment back to U.S. soil. That’s more than I can say for a presidency that gave us trade wars, farmer bailouts, and red hats made in China.

You’re free to dislike the policy. But if you want to be taken seriously in an economic debate, start by owning the consequences of the last round of “winning.”

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If Trump is a pedophile - Will that deter your support for him?

My opinion of Trump does not matter because it has no power to seat/unseat a president. Just because Trump acts like a Democrat does not mean I will stop supporting the Republican party. If Trump is removed, it will be president Vance. If Trump stays, more Liberals implode, some by self-immolation, some to live in a mental asylum which is what the Democratic party looks like to me: a loony bin full of weird-haired circus freaks screaming about pronouns.

Win-Win.

On immigration - are you ok with ICE rounding up all brown people and holding them/deporting them with no due process?

It is not about brown people—way to go supporting that stupid narrative, it is about waves of lawless invaders crossing our borders which is illegal to do regardless of skin color.

The equivalent of due process is served if a person is in this country without a visa or proper authorization. Not being able to speak English along with no identification means Uncle Sam’s big boot goes right into your butt and out the door you go. Good-bye and good riddance!

From my view republicans are pretty much fine with anything Trump does as long as the economy is humming along and they are getting richer. He could actually murder someone in broad daylight or sexually assault someone and they probably wouldn’t care.

Anything Trump does is 10,000 times better than anything the Democrats would do. In some cases, Trump is the lesser of two evils.

The Democratic party is the party of murder, sexual deviance, and perversion. It is soft on crime, giving light sentences or none at all for those who do evil.

Calling Democrats the “party of perversion and crime” is projection at best and propaganda at worst. Let’s unpack the irony:

- 34-time FELON Donald Trump has been found liable for sexual abuse and defamation by a jury in the E. Jean Carroll case, and ordered to pay over $88 million in damages. That’s not hearsay or fake news, it’s a legal verdict.

- More than 25 women have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct, including rape, groping, and walking in on underage pageant contestants.

- Republican leaders defended Roy Moore, a Senate candidate accused of pursuing teenage girls when he was in his 30s.

- Dennis Hastert, the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House, admitted to sexually abusing teenage boys and paid hush money to cover it up.

- Matt Gaetz, a sitting Republican congressman, is under investigation for sex trafficking of a minor.

If you want to talk about “perversion,” start with the party that keeps elevating men with credible sexual abuse allegations and covering them up, as Republicans are currently doing with the Epstein files.

As for crime? Democratic-led cities have seen drops in violent crime, and Democratic lawmakers have passed bipartisan legislation to fund police and reform sentencing. Meanwhile, Republicans push fear-based narratives while opposing gun safety laws that could actually reduce crime.

And on immigration: ICE under Trump has violated due process repeatedly, detaining migrants without hearings, deporting them to third countries with as little as six hours’ notice, and even arresting people inside courthouses without warrants. That’s not law and order—it’s authoritarianism.

So no, Democrats aren’t the party of crime or perversion. They’re the party trying to fix broken systems while Republicans defend abusers, ignore court rulings, and weaponize cruelty for political gain.

No one thinks a NY jury is capable of applying the law correctly any more than people are persuaded by so-called "credible" allegations of sexual assault. Those words no longer have meaning because Democrats have corrupted our systems.

Karma can be a biatch for you and all the females in your life. How could you be so dismissive and disgusting of all those women who finally came out of the shadows to testify under oath against predator trump.

This type of stuff doesn't happen to the women in my life, and I don't find the gang-piling to make their allegations more credible.

If you want to convince me you can tell credible accusations apart from bad ones, please tell me the best reasons why Christine Ford's allegations likely lacked merit?

The women in your life would never tell you about this. Based upon your answers here, you are not a safe person to talk to about this topic. The women in your life will lie to you if you ask because you are clearly not someone who would listen to them.

Go ahead and be proud of that if you want to.

Love how no one explains why Christine Ford's allegations were likely bogus and instead shriek at the poster for noticing.

And I do not support your view of women that women will lie to men if the men do not agree with them. Maybe you do that, but not all women are like that. In my experience, however, women lie when they want to distract from their own misconduct. If you start pulling at that thread, you end up with Christine Ford-like stories, which is probably why you are attacking me instead of engaging in debate.

You are proving my point over and over again.

I’m not saying the women in your life are always lying to you. I’m saying if you ask directly about the topic of sexual assault, a woman in your life will not answer you that they have experienced that even if you have.

You are saying “women lie when they want to distract from their own misconduct”. Which is just like saying “she was assaulted because her skirt was too short and a man saw her breasts and was unable to control himself because of misconduct”

Bye now- we are just going to continue to disagree and this conversation can only devolve from here.

DP. Keep pushing identity politics. Nothing else seems to be working for you.

Bye now- we are just going to continue to disagree and this conversation can only devolve from here.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the two specifics OP mentioned: is there a line?

NP

Oh, there’s a line—they just redraw it every time their guy crosses it.

Sexual assault? “Gray area.”
Child trafficking? “Complicated.”
Bribery, blackmail, obstruction? “Fake news.”

As long as the system is being “disrupted” in their favor, suddenly everything becomes negotiable. You could find Epstein’s name tattooed on someone’s ledger in blood and they’d still ask, “But did you see the plane logs?”

And when cornered? The attitude is dismissive or defensive as they fall back on The First “Lady” (Skank) Melania’s infamous shrug. “Boys will be boys.” “I dont really care, do you?” while bringing up political grievances harbored from past administrations. They are bitter.

Here’s the problem: Bad parenting isn’t illegal. Being a skanky escort isn’t illegal. Rape is. Sexual exploitation is. Human trafficking is.

What we’re witnessing isn’t a lack of evidence—it’s a lack of will. A.LACK.OF.WILL. When your tribe controls the files, the framing, and the fallout, accountability becomes optional.

That’s not a justice system. That’s a protection racket wrapped in a flag and baptized in selective outrage.

You as a democrat are going to lecture anyone on human trafficking?

That's like a pillar of your party, FFS. Cartels, Coyotes, Rape Trees, Alejandro Mayorkas, Smuggling with a wink and a nod?

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/dozens-found-dead-san-antonio-texas-truck-tractor-trailer/3751980/

I’m not a Democrat. Nor a dimwit. I’m an Independent—strategically so. I’ve been registered with both major parties at different points, but I vote based on policy, not personality. My allegiance is to whichever candidate or party is best equipped to address domestic and global challenges during their term.

If human trafficking is a “pillar” of any political party, then tear it down—forcefully and responsibly. But let’s not be lazy about it. Dismantle the system with a plan so we’re not just setting fire to institutions and expecting justice to rise from the ashes.

I support the deportation of undocumented immigrants who commit violent or predatory crimes. I also support sanctuary cities and vetted asylum policies for those fleeing legitimate danger. It’s called nuance—something cable news and partisan echo chambers have long abandoned.

You don’t get to cherry-pick your outrage. Either you care about justice or you don’t. The rest is tribal noise.

Love,
An American Independent 🇺🇸

Narrator: the person you are responding to doesn't actually care about justice and doesn't know the meaning of the word "nuance"

Thank you. My sincere hope is that the person I was responding to doesn’t reflect the reasoning process of most Americans.

It would be refreshing if more people not only recognized nuance—but also knew what to do with it.

That’s how real solutions begin.

Screw your nuance. It's a mask for pushing your one-world, no borders, and soft on crime agenda.

Been there, done that.

You gave a BS statement. This is what you want to believe about Dems, but it isn't true. What is a one world, no borders, soft on crime? No borders? Just like Trump is not all Rs, Biden was not all Ds. One world? Soft on crime? Where is that legislation?

Economy - dems favored every single time. The economy is not growing. People are not spending. Houses are sitting. College grads can't find jobs. Is that what you signed up for?

I know. You signed up for endless Quantitative Easing, money creation and a systematic devaluing of our currency to keep the music going. I didn't.

People shouldn't be spending. They're far in debt. You didn't get the memo?

The days of massive spending to buy wind turbines, solar panels and batteries from China have come to an end. You want green energy, pay for it yourselves without massive government subsidies.

You really are clueless. Clean energy companies opened 46 manufacturing plants in the US last year. Another 160 were either permitted or starting construction. That was all the IRA. We were the only industry bringing jobs back. So subsidies for coal and oil and gas are fine, but not clean energy? Clean energy is the fastest to deploy. Your bills are going up. The truth is, when Rs complained about Solyndra going bankrupt under Obama, what they didn't realize was that China bought their assets and improved upon them. They bought many US companies on the brink of creating the best technology. We ceded the industry to China. That's why they have the best technology. We were getting it back until Trump. Yay! We get to go back to the 50s and the rest of the world is looking to the future.

Yes, IRA as in the 'Inflation Reduction Act". Think of it. The government decides we need more spending on what we clearly don't need. Then it creates money out of thin air and calls it an inflation reduction measure.

Brilliant.

I would love to debate you in person because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm in the energy industry. Oil and gas companies all have renewable divisions. Not because they are liberal, but because it makes financial sense for them. Utilities also invest because it makes financial sense. These companies don't support clean energy out of the kindness of their hearts.

The leading source of energy in South Dakota is wind. (55%); 40% in North Dakota; 30% of energy in TX is renewable. The list could go on.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the two specifics OP mentioned: is there a line?

NP

Oh, there’s a line—they just redraw it every time their guy crosses it.

Sexual assault? “Gray area.”
Child trafficking? “Complicated.”
Bribery, blackmail, obstruction? “Fake news.”

As long as the system is being “disrupted” in their favor, suddenly everything becomes negotiable. You could find Epstein’s name tattooed on someone’s ledger in blood and they’d still ask, “But did you see the plane logs?”

And when cornered? The attitude is dismissive or defensive as they fall back on The First “Lady” (Skank) Melania’s infamous shrug. “Boys will be boys.” “I dont really care, do you?” while bringing up political grievances harbored from past administrations. They are bitter.

Here’s the problem: Bad parenting isn’t illegal. Being a skanky escort isn’t illegal. Rape is. Sexual exploitation is. Human trafficking is.

What we’re witnessing isn’t a lack of evidence—it’s a lack of will. A.LACK.OF.WILL. When your tribe controls the files, the framing, and the fallout, accountability becomes optional.

That’s not a justice system. That’s a protection racket wrapped in a flag and baptized in selective outrage.

You as a democrat are going to lecture anyone on human trafficking?

That's like a pillar of your party, FFS. Cartels, Coyotes, Rape Trees, Alejandro Mayorkas, Smuggling with a wink and a nod?

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/dozens-found-dead-san-antonio-texas-truck-tractor-trailer/3751980/

I’m not a Democrat. Nor a dimwit. I’m an Independent—strategically so. I’ve been registered with both major parties at different points, but I vote based on policy, not personality. My allegiance is to whichever candidate or party is best equipped to address domestic and global challenges during their term.

If human trafficking is a “pillar” of any political party, then tear it down—forcefully and responsibly. But let’s not be lazy about it. Dismantle the system with a plan so we’re not just setting fire to institutions and expecting justice to rise from the ashes.

I support the deportation of undocumented immigrants who commit violent or predatory crimes. I also support sanctuary cities and vetted asylum policies for those fleeing legitimate danger. It’s called nuance—something cable news and partisan echo chambers have long abandoned.

You don’t get to cherry-pick your outrage. Either you care about justice or you don’t. The rest is tribal noise.

Love,
An American Independent 🇺🇸

Narrator: the person you are responding to doesn't actually care about justice and doesn't know the meaning of the word "nuance"

Thank you. My sincere hope is that the person I was responding to doesn’t reflect the reasoning process of most Americans.

It would be refreshing if more people not only recognized nuance—but also knew what to do with it.

That’s how real solutions begin.

Screw your nuance. It's a mask for pushing your one-world, no borders, and soft on crime agenda.

Been there, done that.

You gave a BS statement. This is what you want to believe about Dems, but it isn't true. What is a one world, no borders, soft on crime? No borders? Just like Trump is not all Rs, Biden was not all Ds. One world? Soft on crime? Where is that legislation?

Economy - dems favored every single time. The economy is not growing. People are not spending. Houses are sitting. College grads can't find jobs. Is that what you signed up for?

I know. You signed up for endless Quantitative Easing, money creation and a systematic devaluing of our currency to keep the music going. I didn't.

People shouldn't be spending. They're far in debt. You didn't get the memo?

The days of massive spending to buy wind turbines, solar panels and batteries from China have come to an end. You want green energy, pay for it yourselves without massive government subsidies.

You really are clueless. Clean energy companies opened 46 manufacturing plants in the US last year. Another 160 were either permitted or starting construction. That was all the IRA. We were the only industry bringing jobs back. So subsidies for coal and oil and gas are fine, but not clean energy? Clean energy is the fastest to deploy. Your bills are going up. The truth is, when Rs complained about Solyndra going bankrupt under Obama, what they didn't realize was that China bought their assets and improved upon them. They bought many US companies on the brink of creating the best technology. We ceded the industry to China. That's why they have the best technology. We were getting it back until Trump. Yay! We get to go back to the 50s and the rest of the world is looking to the future.

Yup! China is thrilled that in 2025 a buffoon in the White House handed them green energy on a platter. To put the nail in the coffin, he said today he no longer cares about greenhouse gasses and its regulation. Get ready to lose a lot of jobs, a lot of scientists, and a lot of trade deals with Europe.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/24/nx-s1-5302162/climate-change-trump-epa

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the two specifics OP mentioned: is there a line?

NP

Oh, there’s a line—they just redraw it every time their guy crosses it.

Sexual assault? “Gray area.”
Child trafficking? “Complicated.”
Bribery, blackmail, obstruction? “Fake news.”

As long as the system is being “disrupted” in their favor, suddenly everything becomes negotiable. You could find Epstein’s name tattooed on someone’s ledger in blood and they’d still ask, “But did you see the plane logs?”

And when cornered? The attitude is dismissive or defensive as they fall back on The First “Lady” (Skank) Melania’s infamous shrug. “Boys will be boys.” “I dont really care, do you?” while bringing up political grievances harbored from past administrations. They are bitter.

Here’s the problem: Bad parenting isn’t illegal. Being a skanky escort isn’t illegal. Rape is. Sexual exploitation is. Human trafficking is.

What we’re witnessing isn’t a lack of evidence—it’s a lack of will. A.LACK.OF.WILL. When your tribe controls the files, the framing, and the fallout, accountability becomes optional.

That’s not a justice system. That’s a protection racket wrapped in a flag and baptized in selective outrage.

You as a democrat are going to lecture anyone on human trafficking?

That's like a pillar of your party, FFS. Cartels, Coyotes, Rape Trees, Alejandro Mayorkas, Smuggling with a wink and a nod?

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/dozens-found-dead-san-antonio-texas-truck-tractor-trailer/3751980/

I’m not a Democrat. Nor a dimwit. I’m an Independent—strategically so. I’ve been registered with both major parties at different points, but I vote based on policy, not personality. My allegiance is to whichever candidate or party is best equipped to address domestic and global challenges during their term.

If human trafficking is a “pillar” of any political party, then tear it down—forcefully and responsibly. But let’s not be lazy about it. Dismantle the system with a plan so we’re not just setting fire to institutions and expecting justice to rise from the ashes.

I support the deportation of undocumented immigrants who commit violent or predatory crimes. I also support sanctuary cities and vetted asylum policies for those fleeing legitimate danger. It’s called nuance—something cable news and partisan echo chambers have long abandoned.

You don’t get to cherry-pick your outrage. Either you care about justice or you don’t. The rest is tribal noise.

Love,
An American Independent 🇺🇸

Narrator: the person you are responding to doesn't actually care about justice and doesn't know the meaning of the word "nuance"

Thank you. My sincere hope is that the person I was responding to doesn’t reflect the reasoning process of most Americans.

It would be refreshing if more people not only recognized nuance—but also knew what to do with it.

That’s how real solutions begin.

Screw your nuance. It's a mask for pushing your one-world, no borders, and soft on crime agenda.

Been there, done that.

You gave a BS statement. This is what you want to believe about Dems, but it isn't true. What is a one world, no borders, soft on crime? No borders? Just like Trump is not all Rs, Biden was not all Ds. One world? Soft on crime? Where is that legislation?

Economy - dems favored every single time. The economy is not growing. People are not spending. Houses are sitting. College grads can't find jobs. Is that what you signed up for?

I know. You signed up for endless Quantitative Easing, money creation and a systematic devaluing of our currency to keep the music going. I didn't.

People shouldn't be spending. They're far in debt. You didn't get the memo?

The days of massive spending to buy wind turbines, solar panels and batteries from China have come to an end. You want green energy, pay for it yourselves without massive government subsidies.

You really are clueless. Clean energy companies opened 46 manufacturing plants in the US last year. Another 160 were either permitted or starting construction. That was all the IRA. We were the only industry bringing jobs back. So subsidies for coal and oil and gas are fine, but not clean energy? Clean energy is the fastest to deploy. Your bills are going up. The truth is, when Rs complained about Solyndra going bankrupt under Obama, what they didn't realize was that China bought their assets and improved upon them. They bought many US companies on the brink of creating the best technology. We ceded the industry to China. That's why they have the best technology. We were getting it back until Trump. Yay! We get to go back to the 50s and the rest of the world is looking to the future.

Yes, IRA as in the 'Inflation Reduction Act". Think of it. The government decides we need more spending on what we clearly don't need. Then it creates money out of thin air and calls it an inflation reduction measure.

Brilliant.

I would love to debate you in person because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm in the energy industry. Oil and gas companies all have renewable divisions. Not because they are liberal, but because it makes financial sense for them. Utilities also invest because it makes financial sense. These companies don't support clean energy out of the kindness of their hearts.

The leading source of energy in South Dakota is wind. (55%); 40% in North Dakota; 30% of energy in TX is renewable. The list could go on.

They will all die out with this EPA and our lack of innovation.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump voters let their minor daughters surround him when he signed the EO about women's sports. I'm sure that reminded him of his good times with Epstein.

Many, many modern Americans turn a blind eye and would rather be cheerleaders for a side than operate on principle.

Look at how conservatives threw away their need for dignity to back Trump (though to be fair to them, many Republicans couldn't take the lack of decorum and were/are "never Trump"

Look at how democrats, who purport to care about abuse and sexual misconduct ignored Biden's creepy behavior towards children--caught on camera, no less-- to just scream about Trump.

There are few people who really are about policies. It's always "Oh yeah, well the other guy is a WORSE deviant/thief/liar so MY deviant/thief/liar is a hero!"

smh.

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If Trump is a pedophile - Will that deter your support for him?

My opinion of Trump does not matter because it has no power to seat/unseat a president. Just because Trump acts like a Democrat does not mean I will stop supporting the Republican party. If Trump is removed, it will be president Vance. If Trump stays, more Liberals implode, some by self-immolation, some to live in a mental asylum which is what the Democratic party looks like to me: a loony bin full of weird-haired circus freaks screaming about pronouns.

Win-Win.

On immigration - are you ok with ICE rounding up all brown people and holding them/deporting them with no due process?

It is not about brown people—way to go supporting that stupid narrative, it is about waves of lawless invaders crossing our borders which is illegal to do regardless of skin color.

The equivalent of due process is served if a person is in this country without a visa or proper authorization. Not being able to speak English along with no identification means Uncle Sam’s big boot goes right into your butt and out the door you go. Good-bye and good riddance!

From my view republicans are pretty much fine with anything Trump does as long as the economy is humming along and they are getting richer. He could actually murder someone in broad daylight or sexually assault someone and they probably wouldn’t care.

Anything Trump does is 10,000 times better than anything the Democrats would do. In some cases, Trump is the lesser of two evils.

The Democratic party is the party of murder, sexual deviance, and perversion. It is soft on crime, giving light sentences or none at all for those who do evil.

Calling Democrats the “party of perversion and crime” is projection at best and propaganda at worst. Let’s unpack the irony:

- 34-time FELON Donald Trump has been found liable for sexual abuse and defamation by a jury in the E. Jean Carroll case, and ordered to pay over $88 million in damages. That’s not hearsay or fake news, it’s a legal verdict.

- More than 25 women have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct, including rape, groping, and walking in on underage pageant contestants.

- Republican leaders defended Roy Moore, a Senate candidate accused of pursuing teenage girls when he was in his 30s.

- Dennis Hastert, the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House, admitted to sexually abusing teenage boys and paid hush money to cover it up.

- Matt Gaetz, a sitting Republican congressman, is under investigation for sex trafficking of a minor.

If you want to talk about “perversion,” start with the party that keeps elevating men with credible sexual abuse allegations and covering them up, as Republicans are currently doing with the Epstein files.

As for crime? Democratic-led cities have seen drops in violent crime, and Democratic lawmakers have passed bipartisan legislation to fund police and reform sentencing. Meanwhile, Republicans push fear-based narratives while opposing gun safety laws that could actually reduce crime.

And on immigration: ICE under Trump has violated due process repeatedly, detaining migrants without hearings, deporting them to third countries with as little as six hours’ notice, and even arresting people inside courthouses without warrants. That’s not law and order—it’s authoritarianism.

So no, Democrats aren’t the party of crime or perversion. They’re the party trying to fix broken systems while Republicans defend abusers, ignore court rulings, and weaponize cruelty for political gain.

No one thinks a NY jury is capable of applying the law correctly any more than people are persuaded by so-called "credible" allegations of sexual assault. Those words no longer have meaning because Democrats have corrupted our systems.

Karma can be a biatch for you and all the females in your life. How could you be so dismissive and disgusting of all those women who finally came out of the shadows to testify under oath against predator trump.

This type of stuff doesn't happen to the women in my life, and I don't find the gang-piling to make their allegations more credible.

If you want to convince me you can tell credible accusations apart from bad ones, please tell me the best reasons why Christine Ford's allegations likely lacked merit?

The women in your life would never tell you about this. Based upon your answers here, you are not a safe person to talk to about this topic. The women in your life will lie to you if you ask because you are clearly not someone who would listen to them.

Go ahead and be proud of that if you want to.

Love how no one explains why Christine Ford's allegations were likely bogus and instead shriek at the poster for noticing.

And I do not support your view of women that women will lie to men if the men do not agree with them. Maybe you do that, but not all women are like that. In my experience, however, women lie when they want to distract from their own misconduct. If you start pulling at that thread, you end up with Christine Ford-like stories, which is probably why you are attacking me instead of engaging in debate.

You are proving my point over and over again.

I’m not saying the women in your life are always lying to you. I’m saying if you ask directly about the topic of sexual assault, a woman in your life will not answer you that they have experienced that even if you have.

You are saying “women lie when they want to distract from their own misconduct”. Which is just like saying “she was assaulted because her skirt was too short and a man saw her breasts and was unable to control himself because of misconduct”

Bye now- we are just going to continue to disagree and this conversation can only devolve from here.

DP. Keep pushing identity politics. Nothing else seems to be working for you.

Trump is ALL identify politics. You just like the identities better.

Trump's identity politic is the American identity.

Whether he actually believes it is another matter, but that is the message.

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I drew the line soon after the inauguration, watching him raise corruption to unprecedented levels and seeing the reckless and honestly plainly evil actions of Elon Musk. And that was just the beginning.

But I will not easily forget just how insane the previous regime was. With wokeness, with trans mania, with racist identity politics, with openly and proudly discriminating against white men, with refusing to enforce border and immigration laws.

So right now I dislike everyone. But come to your senses and I will happily vote Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:First, I don’t know where this latest “Trump is a pedophile” narrative came from but it is not true. So dismiss that right now.

And ICE is identifying and arresting those in the country illegally. That includes people of all different skin colors. Why do you object to people here illegally being deported?

You have your answer OP.

+1. There is no line anymore.

Remember when Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and his followers would still love him. It’s 1000% true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, the term "conservatives" in your title should be in quotes, because there is nothing conservative about MAGA or Trumpism.

Other than the fact the he’s the leader of the Republican Party.

PP, maybe you should just accept that you aren’t a conservative. It’s ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If Trump is a pedophile - Will that deter your support for him?

My opinion of Trump does not matter because it has no power to seat/unseat a president. Just because Trump acts like a Democrat does not mean I will stop supporting the Republican party. If Trump is removed, it will be president Vance. If Trump stays, more Liberals implode, some by self-immolation, some to live in a mental asylum which is what the Democratic party looks like to me: a loony bin full of weird-haired circus freaks screaming about pronouns.

Win-Win.

On immigration - are you ok with ICE rounding up all brown people and holding them/deporting them with no due process?

It is not about brown people—way to go supporting that stupid narrative, it is about waves of lawless invaders crossing our borders which is illegal to do regardless of skin color.

The equivalent of due process is served if a person is in this country without a visa or proper authorization. Not being able to speak English along with no identification means Uncle Sam’s big boot goes right into your butt and out the door you go. Good-bye and good riddance!

From my view republicans are pretty much fine with anything Trump does as long as the economy is humming along and they are getting richer. He could actually murder someone in broad daylight or sexually assault someone and they probably wouldn’t care.

Anything Trump does is 10,000 times better than anything the Democrats would do. In some cases, Trump is the lesser of two evils.

The Democratic party is the party of murder, sexual deviance, and perversion. It is soft on crime, giving light sentences or none at all for those who do evil.

Calling Democrats the “party of perversion and crime” is projection at best and propaganda at worst. Let’s unpack the irony:

- 34-time FELON Donald Trump has been found liable for sexual abuse and defamation by a jury in the E. Jean Carroll case, and ordered to pay over $88 million in damages. That’s not hearsay or fake news, it’s a legal verdict.

- More than 25 women have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct, including rape, groping, and walking in on underage pageant contestants.

- Republican leaders defended Roy Moore, a Senate candidate accused of pursuing teenage girls when he was in his 30s.

- Dennis Hastert, the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House, admitted to sexually abusing teenage boys and paid hush money to cover it up.

- Matt Gaetz, a sitting Republican congressman, is under investigation for sex trafficking of a minor.

If you want to talk about “perversion,” start with the party that keeps elevating men with credible sexual abuse allegations and covering them up, as Republicans are currently doing with the Epstein files.

As for crime? Democratic-led cities have seen drops in violent crime, and Democratic lawmakers have passed bipartisan legislation to fund police and reform sentencing. Meanwhile, Republicans push fear-based narratives while opposing gun safety laws that could actually reduce crime.

And on immigration: ICE under Trump has violated due process repeatedly, detaining migrants without hearings, deporting them to third countries with as little as six hours’ notice, and even arresting people inside courthouses without warrants. That’s not law and order—it’s authoritarianism.

So no, Democrats aren’t the party of crime or perversion. They’re the party trying to fix broken systems while Republicans defend abusers, ignore court rulings, and weaponize cruelty for political gain.

Yes, let's unpack the irony.

You talk about wanting "common sense" and "gun safety" laws.

Yet every chance you get, you attack gun owners with nonsense to abrogate the second amendment. Any trick you can instantiate to get your way, you try. So, there's what you progressive leftists say, and then there's what you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump voters let their minor daughters surround him when he signed the EO about women's sports. I'm sure that reminded him of his good times with Epstein.

Many, many modern Americans turn a blind eye and would rather be cheerleaders for a side than operate on principle.

Look at how conservatives threw away their need for dignity to back Trump (though to be fair to them, many Republicans couldn't take the lack of decorum and were/are "never Trump"

Look at how democrats, who purport to care about abuse and sexual misconduct ignored Biden's creepy behavior towards children--caught on camera, no less-- to just scream about Trump.

There are few people who really are about policies. It's always "Oh yeah, well the other guy is a WORSE deviant/thief/liar so MY deviant/thief/liar is a hero!"

smh.

"Biden's a creepy pedo" is one of the stupidest manufactured outrages the right came up with over Biden. Complete with faked videos. If it were real and actually a thing there never would have been a need to fake it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jul/10/instagram-posts/no-biden-didnt-sniff-a-baby-in-this-video-it-was-a

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If Trump is a pedophile - Will that deter your support for him?

My opinion of Trump does not matter because it has no power to seat/unseat a president. Just because Trump acts like a Democrat does not mean I will stop supporting the Republican party. If Trump is removed, it will be president Vance. If Trump stays, more Liberals implode, some by self-immolation, some to live in a mental asylum which is what the Democratic party looks like to me: a loony bin full of weird-haired circus freaks screaming about pronouns.

Win-Win.

On immigration - are you ok with ICE rounding up all brown people and holding them/deporting them with no due process?

It is not about brown people—way to go supporting that stupid narrative, it is about waves of lawless invaders crossing our borders which is illegal to do regardless of skin color.

The equivalent of due process is served if a person is in this country without a visa or proper authorization. Not being able to speak English along with no identification means Uncle Sam’s big boot goes right into your butt and out the door you go. Good-bye and good riddance!

From my view republicans are pretty much fine with anything Trump does as long as the economy is humming along and they are getting richer. He could actually murder someone in broad daylight or sexually assault someone and they probably wouldn’t care.

Anything Trump does is 10,000 times better than anything the Democrats would do. In some cases, Trump is the lesser of two evils.

The Democratic party is the party of murder, sexual deviance, and perversion. It is soft on crime, giving light sentences or none at all for those who do evil.

Calling Democrats the “party of perversion and crime” is projection at best and propaganda at worst. Let’s unpack the irony:

- 34-time FELON Donald Trump has been found liable for sexual abuse and defamation by a jury in the E. Jean Carroll case, and ordered to pay over $88 million in damages. That’s not hearsay or fake news, it’s a legal verdict.

- More than 25 women have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct, including rape, groping, and walking in on underage pageant contestants.

- Republican leaders defended Roy Moore, a Senate candidate accused of pursuing teenage girls when he was in his 30s.

- Dennis Hastert, the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House, admitted to sexually abusing teenage boys and paid hush money to cover it up.

- Matt Gaetz, a sitting Republican congressman, is under investigation for sex trafficking of a minor.

If you want to talk about “perversion,” start with the party that keeps elevating men with credible sexual abuse allegations and covering them up, as Republicans are currently doing with the Epstein files.

As for crime? Democratic-led cities have seen drops in violent crime, and Democratic lawmakers have passed bipartisan legislation to fund police and reform sentencing. Meanwhile, Republicans push fear-based narratives while opposing gun safety laws that could actually reduce crime.

And on immigration: ICE under Trump has violated due process repeatedly, detaining migrants without hearings, deporting them to third countries with as little as six hours’ notice, and even arresting people inside courthouses without warrants. That’s not law and order—it’s authoritarianism.

So no, Democrats aren’t the party of crime or perversion. They’re the party trying to fix broken systems while Republicans defend abusers, ignore court rulings, and weaponize cruelty for political gain.

Yes, let's unpack the irony.

You talk about wanting "common sense" and "gun safety" laws.

Yet every chance you get, you attack gun owners with nonsense to abrogate the second amendment. Any trick you can instantiate to get your way, you try. So, there's what you progressive leftists say, and then there's what you do.

Hey look we've found the stupidest employee of the gun lobby.

"Oh mY GoD THe CoRRuPT EvIL LeFTisTs ArE TrYINg tO Use LefTIst TriCKERy!!!!1!"

One Big Beautiful Bill had numerous XVI violations by Republicans:
- Trying to transfer the Space Shuttle to texas
- Imposing mandatory fees for asylum applications and continuances with no waivers
- Medicaid restrictions
- Shielding Trump officials from contempt by requiring plaintiffs to post bonds
The appropriations amendment in the September 2024 minibus (S. 1092) was also a violation of Rule XVI
Emil Bove's nomination violated committee rules requiring minority presence for votes.
And so on and so on and so on. Your side tramples the Constitution and Senate and House rules ALL THE TIME.