Median Guys have to step up @ t20/t30’s - the girls are blowing them out of the water

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here

Interviewed a boy from Penn today

We wanted to hang up in the middle of the interview but couldn’t since he interned in a senate office we’re friends with.

The amount of “likes” and “umm” and even a a random “like awesome”

After him we interviewed a girl from vassar and her vocabulary, cadence, tone….it was akin to being in the jungle observing two completely different species

Is this a troll post? I find it hard to believe that any hiring manager writes this way and is referring to adults within months of receiving their undergraduate degrees as “girls” and “boys.”

I thought the same. Must be Troll.

+ 1000000

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure how much of these comments are fully legit, but I get the point.

I'm involved with recruiting for my company. For every college-aged boy who has decent grades, a couple of activities, a sport and a leadership position, there are 10 girls.

ANECDOTALLY, girls seem to find a way to get the most out of their college years and set themselves up well for post-college jobs or grad school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure how much of these comments are fully legit, but I get the point.

I'm involved with recruiting for my company. For every college-aged boy who has decent grades, a couple of activities, a sport and a leadership position, there are 10 girls.

ANECDOTALLY, girls seem to find a way to get the most out of their college years and set themselves up well for post-college jobs or grad school.

Are you referring to a varsity sport? There really aren't that many college varsity athletes in general compared to the overall college student population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure how much of these comments are fully legit, but I get the point.

I'm involved with recruiting for my company. For every college-aged boy who has decent grades, a couple of activities, a sport and a leadership position, there are 10 girls.

ANECDOTALLY, girls seem to find a way to get the most out of their college years and set themselves up well for post-college jobs or grad school.

Are you referring to a varsity sport? There really aren't that many college varsity athletes in general compared to the overall college student population.

Or club. Or some "extra" -- a Special Olympics volunteer or something.

[Anonymous]

I only worry about the males in my own household and they are crushing it. Always had straight As w/out helicopter parents. Always did their work w.out being reminded, great at scheduling. High rigor courses with a busy sports schedule, a club and lots of community service. Part-time summer jobs, etc. Oldest made it to an Ivy unhooked and top in his courses (w/out stress or feeling pressured--plenty of time for other things)--even won a departmental award Freshmen year. Very pro-active, lots of relationships w/ professors, etc. Solves his own problems, etc. Sophomore study abroad at prestigious university--lots of independence. Fantastic intership.

I attribute a lot to letting them fail. Letting them deal with the politics of travel sports and not stepping in. They figured out. They dug in, found other teams, trained harder and harder--felt the harshness after putting themselves out there. And, then seeing failure turn into opportunity and new directions.

We always had the mantra 'when one door closes or you are rejected, there is opportunity for better with a different door'. I always told them it wasn't meant to be and they are better off---and that has always been the case. What they thought they wanted--they see they were lucky not to get it. An a-hole coach and disappointed players, etc.--while being someone better with a great coach--apply this to everything else.

I get tired of the 'girl moms/dads' on this board. Blah, blah, blah...hopefully, they can find a good partner to date/marry being so superior to everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I only worry about the males in my own household and they are crushing it. Always had straight As w/out helicopter parents. Always did their work w.out being reminded, great at scheduling. High rigor courses with a busy sports schedule, a club and lots of community service. Part-time summer jobs, etc. Oldest made it to an Ivy unhooked and top in his courses (w/out stress or feeling pressured--plenty of time for other things)--even won a departmental award Freshmen year. Very pro-active, lots of relationships w/ professors, etc. Solves his own problems, etc. Sophomore study abroad at prestigious university--lots of independence. Fantastic intership.

I attribute a lot to letting them fail. Letting them deal with the politics of travel sports and not stepping in. They figured out. They dug in, found other teams, trained harder and harder--felt the harshness after putting themselves out there. And, then seeing failure turn into opportunity and new directions.

We always had the mantra 'when one door closes or you are rejected, there is opportunity for better with a different door'. I always told them it wasn't meant to be and they are better off---and that has always been the case. What they thought they wanted--they see they were lucky not to get it. An a-hole coach and disappointed players, etc.--while being someone better with a great coach--apply this to everything else.

I get tired of the 'girl moms/dads' on this board. Blah, blah, blah...hopefully, they can find a good partner to date/marry being so superior to everyone else.

Congrats?? You realize this little anecdote means absolutely nothing on a macro level, right? Your kids are not the norm. These are well documented statistics. Girls ARE outperforming boys. It IS an issue with regards to dating and marriage. It even had an impact on the moron who is president right now. Boys are less educated and more conservative. Why would an educated ambitious woman want to be with an uneducated MAGA guy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the generation of boys who spent their entire high school career being told by teachers and schools that they were privileged and entitled because of their gender, so sit down, shut up, don't ask questions and don't contribute, until everyone else less priveleged than you has had your stay. They learned that lesson well.

Then, they were the covid kids, where they spent their late high school and early college years isolated in their rooms on their computers.

They are not prepared because the training during their formative years was a disaster, and in some ways, designed to achieve this outcome.

This.

And to state again - do not underestimate the horrible effect the covid lockdowns had on these boys. We are still seeing the negative effects, five years later. It is a travesty what was done to this generation.

And yet you see even on this thread that some boys manage to thrive. It wasn't just the boys who were on COVID lockdowns. It's just another attempt at giving a pass for boys. And I have boys and girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, yes - OP is relating what is happening. Boys aren't in college in the numbers girls are. And mature later. This isn't news.

Now, the poster who plays the smallest violin in the world and thinks the poor white boys haven't been "trained" because they need to consider the thoughts and experiences of people outside of their direct experience......LOL. They BUILT this world. They have the upper hand. They're the ones in control. They don't need affirmative action.They need to grow a pair and do what the girls have done over the decades - IGNORE the people who said they can't do it. IGNORE the teachers who give preferential treatment to boys in math and science classes. Work hard, study, and get along with everyone. Stop whining and do something.

Amen!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

The top boys in stem, finance, and quant are impressive. Maybe not as charismatic but extremely good at doing actual work.

I have a smart and sweet but socially awkward boy who isn't good at small talk. How would you feel if you interviewed someone like him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I only worry about the males in my own household and they are crushing it. Always had straight As w/out helicopter parents. Always did their work w.out being reminded, great at scheduling. High rigor courses with a busy sports schedule, a club and lots of community service. Part-time summer jobs, etc. Oldest made it to an Ivy unhooked and top in his courses (w/out stress or feeling pressured--plenty of time for other things)--even won a departmental award Freshmen year. Very pro-active, lots of relationships w/ professors, etc. Solves his own problems, etc. Sophomore study abroad at prestigious university--lots of independence. Fantastic intership.

I attribute a lot to letting them fail. Letting them deal with the politics of travel sports and not stepping in. They figured out. They dug in, found other teams, trained harder and harder--felt the harshness after putting themselves out there. And, then seeing failure turn into opportunity and new directions.

We always had the mantra 'when one door closes or you are rejected, there is opportunity for better with a different door'. I always told them it wasn't meant to be and they are better off---and that has always been the case. What they thought they wanted--they see they were lucky not to get it. An a-hole coach and disappointed players, etc.--while being someone better with a great coach--apply this to everything else.

I get tired of the 'girl moms/dads' on this board. Blah, blah, blah...hopefully, they can find a good partner to date/marry being so superior to everyone else.

Congrats?? You realize this little anecdote means absolutely nothing on a macro level, right? Your kids are not the norm. These are well documented statistics. Girls ARE outperforming boys. It IS an issue with regards to dating and marriage. It even had an impact on the moron who is president right now. Boys are less educated and more conservative. Why would an educated ambitious woman want to be with an uneducated MAGA guy?

I just read an article about this actually. Educated women are marrying less educated men because that's who is available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I only worry about the males in my own household and they are crushing it. Always had straight As w/out helicopter parents. Always did their work w.out being reminded, great at scheduling. High rigor courses with a busy sports schedule, a club and lots of community service. Part-time summer jobs, etc. Oldest made it to an Ivy unhooked and top in his courses (w/out stress or feeling pressured--plenty of time for other things)--even won a departmental award Freshmen year. Very pro-active, lots of relationships w/ professors, etc. Solves his own problems, etc. Sophomore study abroad at prestigious university--lots of independence. Fantastic intership.

I attribute a lot to letting them fail. Letting them deal with the politics of travel sports and not stepping in. They figured out. They dug in, found other teams, trained harder and harder--felt the harshness after putting themselves out there. And, then seeing failure turn into opportunity and new directions.

We always had the mantra 'when one door closes or you are rejected, there is opportunity for better with a different door'. I always told them it wasn't meant to be and they are better off---and that has always been the case. What they thought they wanted--they see they were lucky not to get it. An a-hole coach and disappointed players, etc.--while being someone better with a great coach--apply this to everything else.

I get tired of the 'girl moms/dads' on this board. Blah, blah, blah...hopefully, they can find a good partner to date/marry being so superior to everyone else.

Congrats?? You realize this little anecdote means absolutely nothing on a macro level, right? Your kids are not the norm. These are well documented statistics. Girls ARE outperforming boys. It IS an issue with regards to dating and marriage. It even had an impact on the moron who is president right now. Boys are less educated and more conservative. Why would an educated ambitious woman want to be with an uneducated MAGA guy?

I just read an article about this actually. Educated women are marrying less educated men because that's who is available.

WSJ just ran a big article…actually said they aren’t marrying at all and becoming single parents by choice.

In fact, the article said working class women with jobs are marrying less than educated women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

The top boys in stem, finance, and quant are impressive. Maybe not as charismatic but extremely good at doing actual work.

I have a smart and sweet but socially awkward boy who isn't good at small talk. How would you feel if you interviewed someone like him?

Isn’t the answer to push/direct your kid to overcome the social awkwardness?

Also, being “sweet” isn’t exactly a professional job candidate attribute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I only worry about the males in my own household and they are crushing it. Always had straight As w/out helicopter parents. Always did their work w.out being reminded, great at scheduling. High rigor courses with a busy sports schedule, a club and lots of community service. Part-time summer jobs, etc. Oldest made it to an Ivy unhooked and top in his courses (w/out stress or feeling pressured--plenty of time for other things)--even won a departmental award Freshmen year. Very pro-active, lots of relationships w/ professors, etc. Solves his own problems, etc. Sophomore study abroad at prestigious university--lots of independence. Fantastic intership.

I attribute a lot to letting them fail. Letting them deal with the politics of travel sports and not stepping in. They figured out. They dug in, found other teams, trained harder and harder--felt the harshness after putting themselves out there. And, then seeing failure turn into opportunity and new directions.

We always had the mantra 'when one door closes or you are rejected, there is opportunity for better with a different door'. I always told them it wasn't meant to be and they are better off---and that has always been the case. What they thought they wanted--they see they were lucky not to get it. An a-hole coach and disappointed players, etc.--while being someone better with a great coach--apply this to everything else.

I get tired of the 'girl moms/dads' on this board. Blah, blah, blah...hopefully, they can find a good partner to date/marry being so superior to everyone else.

Congrats?? You realize this little anecdote means absolutely nothing on a macro level, right? Your kids are not the norm. These are well documented statistics. Girls ARE outperforming boys. It IS an issue with regards to dating and marriage. It even had an impact on the moron who is president right now. Boys are less educated and more conservative. Why would an educated ambitious woman want to be with an uneducated MAGA guy?

Sounds like her sons will have A LOT of educated, successful women to choose from. Mate competition among females is going to be unreal in future years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I only worry about the males in my own household and they are crushing it. Always had straight As w/out helicopter parents. Always did their work w.out being reminded, great at scheduling. High rigor courses with a busy sports schedule, a club and lots of community service. Part-time summer jobs, etc. Oldest made it to an Ivy unhooked and top in his courses (w/out stress or feeling pressured--plenty of time for other things)--even won a departmental award Freshmen year. Very pro-active, lots of relationships w/ professors, etc. Solves his own problems, etc. Sophomore study abroad at prestigious university--lots of independence. Fantastic intership.

I attribute a lot to letting them fail. Letting them deal with the politics of travel sports and not stepping in. They figured out. They dug in, found other teams, trained harder and harder--felt the harshness after putting themselves out there. And, then seeing failure turn into opportunity and new directions.

We always had the mantra 'when one door closes or you are rejected, there is opportunity for better with a different door'. I always told them it wasn't meant to be and they are better off---and that has always been the case. What they thought they wanted--they see they were lucky not to get it. An a-hole coach and disappointed players, etc.--while being someone better with a great coach--apply this to everything else.

I get tired of the 'girl moms/dads' on this board. Blah, blah, blah...hopefully, they can find a good partner to date/marry being so superior to everyone else.

Congrats?? You realize this little anecdote means absolutely nothing on a macro level, right? Your kids are not the norm. These are well documented statistics. Girls ARE outperforming boys. It IS an issue with regards to dating and marriage. It even had an impact on the moron who is president right now. Boys are less educated and more conservative. Why would an educated ambitious woman want to be with an uneducated MAGA guy?

I just read an article about this actually. Educated women are marrying less educated men because that's who is available.

WSJ just ran a big article…actually said they aren’t marrying at all and becoming single parents by choice.

In fact, the article said working class women with jobs are marrying less than educated women.

From WSJ:

American women have never been this resigned to staying single. They are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and growing gender gaps in economic and educational attainment, political affiliation and beliefs about what a family should look like.

“The numbers aren’t netting out,” said Daniel Cox, director of the survey center at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a conservative think tank. He ticked off the data points: More women than men are attending college, buying houses and focusing on their friendships and careers over dating and marriage.

The share of women ages 18 to 40 who are single—that is, neither married nor cohabitating with a partner—was 51.4% in 2023, according to an analysis of census data by the Aspen Economic Strategy Group, up from 41.8% in 2000.

These numbers don’t specify whether women are looking for love or swearing it off, but more-nuanced surveys show that single women appear less interested in getting married now than they used to be. They also seem less keen on getting hitched than their male peers.

The challenges of finding a romantic partner have been made more complicated by a growing divide in education and career prospects between men and women. In 2024 47% of American women ages 25-34 had a bachelor’s degree, according to Pew, compared with 37% of men. A bachelor’s degree increases net lifetime earnings by an estimated $1 million, according to a 2024 report from Georgetown University.

Men’s economic struggles seem to be having the biggest effect on women without a college degree, whose marriage rates by age 45 have plummeted from 79% to 52% for those born between 1930 and 1980, according to research by Cornell University economist Benjamin Goldman. “Young men without a degree are struggling so much as a group that there simply aren’t enough with steady jobs and earnings for non-college women to date,” said Goldman.

For Christina Ralstin, a 31-year-old wildland firefighter in rural Republic, Wash., who didn’t go to college, buying a house was confirmation she didn’t need a partner to be content. She paid $90,000 for a two-bedroom on half an acre of land in 2022.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, yes - OP is relating what is happening. Boys aren't in college in the numbers girls are. And mature later. This isn't news.

Now, the poster who plays the smallest violin in the world and thinks the poor white boys haven't been "trained" because they need to consider the thoughts and experiences of people outside of their direct experience......LOL. They BUILT this world. They have the upper hand. They're the ones in control. They don't need affirmative action.They need to grow a pair and do what the girls have done over the decades - IGNORE the people who said they can't do it. IGNORE the teachers who give preferential treatment to boys in math and science classes. Work hard, study, and get along with everyone. Stop whining and do something.

Aaaaand you are part of the problem.

A huge part.