Median Guys have to step up @ t20/t30’s - the girls are blowing them out of the water

[Anonymous]

This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

[Anonymous]

I had the exact opposite experience with Mgmt Consulting hiring for one of the MBBs….

Interviewed 30 kids from t20. About 50/50 male/female. The boys were just so much better. These were a mix of Business/Econ/Math and 4 History kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had the exact opposite experience with Mgmt Consulting hiring for one of the MBBs….

Interviewed 30 kids from t20. About 50/50 male/female. The boys were just so much better. These were a mix of Business/Econ/Math and 4 History kids.

We don’t get the MBB pool

I readily concede that

But the MBB pool isn’t also the median t20 grad

[Anonymous]

This is probably a different post but I was thinking recently the college applications really don’t reflect a lot of important social skills, and that may show up more with the boys.

This is off point but as an example, my son has had a girlfriend for over a year. It obviously takes some time that he could otherwise be filling with extracurrriculars for his college applications. But, he’s developing real skills in treating women with respect and kindness, considering the needs of others, etc. He interacts well with her parents and has developed something of a bond with her dad, who is from a different culture. These all seem like solid life skills to me that will probably make him a better college citizen and employee some day. But the colleges are filtering for people who don’t have these life experiences, because they have up this social time to instead start a pointless non profit or win some prize at a competition for something you’ll never use. I’m not really throwing shade at those kids — that was my older kid and that’s a fine way to be. But the colleges are definitely not capturing the real breadth of skills we might want out future citizens to have.

[Anonymous]

There is a gender imbalance. Many more girls applying these days than boys and they tend on average to have higher stats in high school. So the top boys get scooped up by top schools and then top employers. The rest of the schools and employers get the ones who benefit from the bump due to the imbalance. Same with any group that gets a bump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

Why aren’t you hiring from U of M, UCLA, UVA, or Berkeley? Must be a lot of donor spawn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is probably a different post but I was thinking recently the college applications really don’t reflect a lot of important social skills, and that may show up more with the boys.

This is off point but as an example, my son has had a girlfriend for over a year. It obviously takes some time that he could otherwise be filling with extracurrriculars for his college applications. But, he’s developing real skills in treating women with respect and kindness, considering the needs of others, etc. He interacts well with her parents and has developed something of a bond with her dad, who is from a different culture. These all seem like solid life skills to me that will probably make him a better college citizen and employee some day. But the colleges are filtering for people who don’t have these life experiences, because they have up this social time to instead start a pointless non profit or win some prize at a competition for something you’ll never use. I’m not really throwing shade at those kids — that was my older kid and that’s a fine way to be. But the colleges are definitely not capturing the real breadth of skills we might want out future citizens to have.

I agree with this 100%.

[Anonymous]

RFKJ needs to ban video games and screens overall for everyone under the age of 18.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is probably a different post but I was thinking recently the college applications really don’t reflect a lot of important social skills, and that may show up more with the boys.

This is off point but as an example, my son has had a girlfriend for over a year. It obviously takes some time that he could otherwise be filling with extracurrriculars for his college applications. But, he’s developing real skills in treating women with respect and kindness, considering the needs of others, etc. He interacts well with her parents and has developed something of a bond with her dad, who is from a different culture. These all seem like solid life skills to me that will probably make him a better college citizen and employee some day. But the colleges are filtering for people who don’t have these life experiences, because they have up this social time to instead start a pointless non profit or win some prize at a competition for something you’ll never use. I’m not really throwing shade at those kids — that was my older kid and that’s a fine way to be. But the colleges are definitely not capturing the real breadth of skills we might want out future citizens to have.

I agree with this 100%.

Interesting thoughts. Glad you mentioned your other kid, because as soon as someone says this kind of thing. A whole bunch of people pig pile on with: sorry you didn’t get in.

I fear we’re losing problem solvers in favor of: I told somebody to take care of its.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

Maybe come up with better small talk than pro sports?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:RFKJ needs to ban video games and screens overall for everyone under the age of 18.

OP here - yes

This is certainly a factor

[Anonymous]

This is the generation of boys who spent their entire high school career being told by teachers and schools that they were privileged and entitled because of their gender, so sit down, shut up, don't ask questions and don't contribute, until everyone else less priveleged than you has had your stay. They learned that lesson well.

Then, they were the covid kids, where they spent their late high school and early college years isolated in their rooms on their computers.

They are not prepared because the training during their formative years was a disaster, and in some ways, designed to achieve this outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

Why aren’t you hiring from U of M, UCLA, UVA, or Berkeley? Must be a lot of donor spawn

My large consulting firm really cut back on hiring at those schools after several less-than-stellar recruits. We generally find the private school grads to be better prepared to both do the work and succeed socially. We do like both UCs for grad school hires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

Let me guess, you’re a female and only have daughters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had the exact opposite experience with Mgmt Consulting hiring for one of the MBBs….

Interviewed 30 kids from t20. About 50/50 male/female. The boys were just so much better. These were a mix of Business/Econ/Math and 4 History kids.

We don’t get the MBB pool

I readily concede that

But the MBB pool isn’t also the median t20 grad

It is tho, that and big 4. Anything lower is bottom half of the pool.