Median Guys have to step up @ t20/t30’s - the girls are blowing them out of the water

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

Why aren’t you hiring from U of M, UCLA, UVA, or Berkeley? Must be a lot of donor spawn

My large consulting firm really cut back on hiring at those schools after several less-than-stellar recruits. We generally find the private school grads to be better prepared to both do the work and succeed socially. We do like both UCs for grad school hires.

Op here. Find the same as pp for the entry level roles

We do have excellent state school alums in our shop but they all went to private grad schools and came in later

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

The top boys in stem, finance, and quant are impressive. Maybe not as charismatic but extremely good at doing actual work.

[Anonymous]

This is happening everywhere. Women are doing better than men now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had the exact opposite experience with Mgmt Consulting hiring for one of the MBBs….

Interviewed 30 kids from t20. About 50/50 male/female. The boys were just so much better. These were a mix of Business/Econ/Math and 4 History kids.

Interesting. For IB it is more like 75/25 male/female ratio.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

The top boys in stem, finance, and quant are impressive. Maybe not as charismatic but extremely good at doing actual work.

Perhaps only top boys should be attending t20s then

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

Why aren’t you hiring from U of M, UCLA, UVA, or Berkeley? Must be a lot of donor spawn

My large consulting firm really cut back on hiring at those schools after several less-than-stellar recruits. We generally find the private school grads to be better prepared to both do the work and succeed socially. We do like both UCs for grad school hires.

Strong agree, same with our firm.

[Anonymous]

Lot of you have high opinions of yourselves

[Anonymous]

I think it’s because of culture.

The boys look up to people like Joe Rogan and it is embarrassing to try hard in school or be a nice person. They try to be “nonchalant.”OTOH, the girls consume content on being a “girlboss” and are encouraged to be academically inclined.

This leads to boys lagging behind and girls blowing them out of the water.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

Why aren’t you hiring from U of M, UCLA, UVA, or Berkeley? Must be a lot of donor spawn

My large consulting firm really cut back on hiring at those schools after several less-than-stellar recruits. We generally find the private school grads to be better prepared to both do the work and succeed socially. We do like both UCs for grad school hires.

Are these hires just from private universities or also LACs? Do you see a difference between the two groups?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s because of culture.

The boys look up to people like Joe Rogan and it is embarrassing to try hard in school or be a nice person. They try to be “nonchalant.”OTOH, the girls consume content on being a “girlboss” and are encouraged to be academically inclined.

This leads to boys lagging behind and girls blowing them out of the water.

Girls are not blowing the boys out of the water at T20s.

[Anonymous]

Some of you have way too much time on your hands

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you have way too much time on your hands

+1

[Anonymous]

Of my son and his 10 or so buddies attending a mix of top privates and publics, 9 are pursing quantitative degrees whether in finance, STEM or Econ.

Maybe that factors into the types of degrees you are reviewing and the candidates.

[Anonymous]

It is stereotypical to say Asian boys lack social skills but are really good at STEM. Yet, they are the boys who are mostly getting in to the top 20.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of my son and his 10 or so buddies attending a mix of top privates and publics, 9 are pursing quantitative degrees whether in finance, STEM or Econ.

Maybe that factors into the types of degrees you are reviewing and the candidates.

This is a very good point - most halfway mathematically competent boys will be pursuing quantitative degrees due to a social emphasis on men in particular needing to earn a good (six figure) salary.