Median Guys have to step up @ t20/t30’s - the girls are blowing them out of the water

[Anonymous]

What kind of entry level job? You and your team seem overly obsessed with name recognition and t20. All you are talking about is the schools and your follow up post even brings up private schools.

When I’m on an interview committee we look for any type of work experience. I can’t remember any of us discussing where they went to school or the last time we had that many applicants with zero work experience. Not even part time jobs or internships? You are only mentioning their ability to make small talk and t20/t30.

[Anonymous]

Don’t see that with the Ivy son attends. The boys are all very social and talkative. His roommate will chat with me if my kid FaceTimes me.

Your daughters can date other women if you are so bothered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had the exact opposite experience with Mgmt Consulting hiring for one of the MBBs….

Interviewed 30 kids from t20. About 50/50 male/female. The boys were just so much better. These were a mix of Business/Econ/Math and 4 History kids.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a gender imbalance. Many more girls applying these days than boys and they tend on average to have higher stats in high school. So the top boys get scooped up by top schools and then top employers. The rest of the schools and employers get the ones who benefit from the bump due to the imbalance. Same with any group that gets a bump.

This. My kid got into every T10/20 he applied to. He is crushing it in college and internships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is stereotypical to say Asian boys lack social skills but are really good at STEM. Yet, they are the boys who are mostly getting in to the top 20.

It takes more than good scores/grades to get into T20.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This year I’m on the hiring team as the senior/director person in our org’s entry level (consulting, political, policy type shop)…

and one thing I’ve noticed is the boys we are receiving from t20s are not good (on paper or even the few we’ve given interviews to just to get some boys in the hiring pipeline.) the boy interviews have been disasters so far

Granted we don’t get the top boys who go to more prestigious firms, or the stem boys, but the median liberal arts
/social science boys we see in our applicant pool vs the girls is night and day.

The girls even make pro-sports small talk with me better than the boys!

Btw these are all private college t20:t30 class of 2024 or 2025 grads

Why aren’t you hiring from U of M, UCLA, UVA, or Berkeley? Must be a lot of donor spawn

My large consulting firm really cut back on hiring at those schools after several less-than-stellar recruits. We generally find the private school grads to be better prepared to both do the work and succeed socially. We do like both UCs for grad school hires.

The publics have much lower test scores. It'll catch up to them eventually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the generation of boys who spent their entire high school career being told by teachers and schools that they were privileged and entitled because of their gender, so sit down, shut up, don't ask questions and don't contribute, until everyone else less priveleged than you has had your stay. They learned that lesson well.

Then, they were the covid kids, where they spent their late high school and early college years isolated in their rooms on their computers.

They are not prepared because the training during their formative years was a disaster, and in some ways, designed to achieve this outcome.

This.

And to state again - do not underestimate the horrible effect the covid lockdowns had on these boys. We are still seeing the negative effects, five years later. It is a travesty what was done to this generation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t see that with the Ivy son attends. The boys are all very social and talkative. His roommate will chat with me if my kid FaceTimes me.

Your daughters can date other women if you are so bothered.

DP. I do not think it applies to ivies or at least not the ones in the top10. The caliber of students is very high all the way through the median and below at ivies/t10. I have seen it show up in the schools more in the 18-30 range where the median males are very different than the median females. There just are not as many top males applying to college as top females and it starts to show outside the ivy/most elite privates, especially because those schools are about 50/50 male female in an applicant pool that is not: they take more than their share of the top males

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is probably a different post but I was thinking recently the college applications really don’t reflect a lot of important social skills, and that may show up more with the boys.

This is off point but as an example, my son has had a girlfriend for over a year. It obviously takes some time that he could otherwise be filling with extracurrriculars for his college applications. But, he’s developing real skills in treating women with respect and kindness, considering the needs of others, etc. He interacts well with her parents and has developed something of a bond with her dad, who is from a different culture. These all seem like solid life skills to me that will probably make him a better college citizen and employee some day. But the colleges are filtering for people who don’t have these life experiences, because they have up this social time to instead start a pointless non profit or win some prize at a competition for something you’ll never use. I’m not really throwing shade at those kids — that was my older kid and that’s a fine way to be. But the colleges are definitely not capturing the real breadth of skills we might want out future citizens to have.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t see that with the Ivy son attends. The boys are all very social and talkative. His roommate will chat with me if my kid FaceTimes me.

Your daughters can date other women if you are so bothered.

DP. I do not think it applies to ivies or at least not the ones in the top10. The caliber of students is very high all the way through the median and below at ivies/t10. I have seen it show up in the schools more in the 18-30 range where the median males are very different than the median females. There just are not as many top males applying to college as top females and it starts to show outside the ivy/most elite privates, especially because those schools are about 50/50 male female in an applicant pool that is not: they take more than their share of the top males

I can tell you a school where it happens as well since we recruited there for class of 2025…

Yale

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What kind of entry level job? You and your team seem overly obsessed with name recognition and t20. All you are talking about is the schools and your follow up post even brings up private schools.

When I’m on an interview committee we look for any type of work experience. I can’t remember any of us discussing where they went to school or the last time we had that many applicants with zero work experience. Not even part time jobs or internships? You are only mentioning their ability to make small talk and t20/t30.

Op here — every applicant we get has pretty decent internships and work experience in paper

Hill, campaigns, state houses, local business consulting companies, issue based orgs, summer research etc

Remember, I am not hiring the mbb, bulge bracket, faang crowd

[Anonymous]

Why are the top boys all going to STEM/Econ? We need good male history majors too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is probably a different post but I was thinking recently the college applications really don’t reflect a lot of important social skills, and that may show up more with the boys.

This is off point but as an example, my son has had a girlfriend for over a year. It obviously takes some time that he could otherwise be filling with extracurrriculars for his college applications. But, he’s developing real skills in treating women with respect and kindness, considering the needs of others, etc. He interacts well with her parents and has developed something of a bond with her dad, who is from a different culture. These all seem like solid life skills to me that will probably make him a better college citizen and employee some day. But the colleges are filtering for people who don’t have these life experiences, because they have up this social time to instead start a pointless non profit or win some prize at a competition for something you’ll never use. I’m not really throwing shade at those kids — that was my older kid and that’s a fine way to be. But the colleges are definitely not capturing the real breadth of skills we might want out future citizens to have.

Really, you just list having a girlfriend for over a year as a major achievement, comparable with being involved in a non profit or winning a competition. Did you run out of reasons to be proud of your son? True that some nonprofits are fake, competitions might not be relevant, but let’s not kid ourselves here, so is having a girlfriend, which most kids do, while starting a nonprofit and winning a competition is objectively more rare and requires more effort than making out with a girl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are the top boys all going to STEM/Econ? We need good male history majors too.

Op here

To be fair I’m sure the top t20 male history majors are going to t6 law schools straight from college so I’m not seeing them either

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is probably a different post but I was thinking recently the college applications really don’t reflect a lot of important social skills, and that may show up more with the boys.

This is off point but as an example, my son has had a girlfriend for over a year. It obviously takes some time that he could otherwise be filling with extracurrriculars for his college applications. But, he’s developing real skills in treating women with respect and kindness, considering the needs of others, etc. He interacts well with her parents and has developed something of a bond with her dad, who is from a different culture. These all seem like solid life skills to me that will probably make him a better college citizen and employee some day. But the colleges are filtering for people who don’t have these life experiences, because they have up this social time to instead start a pointless non profit or win some prize at a competition for something you’ll never use. I’m not really throwing shade at those kids — that was my older kid and that’s a fine way to be. But the colleges are definitely not capturing the real breadth of skills we might want out future citizens to have.

Really, you just list having a girlfriend for over a year as a major achievement, comparable with being involved in a non profit or winning a competition. Did you run out of reasons to be proud of your son? True that some nonprofits are fake, competitions might not be relevant, but let’s not kid ourselves here, so is having a girlfriend, which most kids do, while starting a nonprofit and winning a competition is objectively more rare and requires more effort than making out with a girl.

You do realize even t20 parents absolutely think their son(s) having a pretty, smart, well put together girlfriend is a massive massive accomplishment easily surpassing many academic achievements

Part of the reason why college admissions has become an arms race is because of dating/social reasons — unlike the economic/financial reasons, parents loathe to talk about it but it’s been brought up dcum in the past because it’s true and this is a less “pc” place than almost any other college forum