And why are my Dem reps not standing up to Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

I want there to be a quick hard downturn in hopes they can realize the cause (unlike others, I’m still hopeful the flyover voters aren’t stupid or at least still have the ability to wake up; I’m an optimist though) - realize the cause quickly enough that we can get back before the country is irreparably ruined.

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Anonymous wrote:So far the Democrats in Congress have acted as a unit. They've fought against everything Trump is trying to do. They've fought against audits and transparency, they've fought against cost-savings in government, they've fought against fraud reduction in government, and they've fought against border control. And they've fought FOR men in girls' sports.

Polls show that voter approval of the Democratic Party is dropping fast. Democrats are in a worse position than they were in back in November.

Four years of unpopular obstructionism will put Democratic re-election candidates in a terrible position. They need some actual achievements to point to, not just obstructionism. And the only achievements available will be bipartisan ones.

Whichever Democrats defect first and start working with Trump to pass popular parts of his agenda will be best positioned to hold onto their seats.

Exactly what are the popular parts of his agenda for Democrats?

None of his agenda is popular with hyperpartisan powerful Democrats like us. We're outraged that the Republican Party is even allowed to exist, and it's absolutely intolerable that was allowed to beat us, take office, etc.

But much of his agenda IS popular with independents, flyover state middle and working class Dems, soccer moms, etc. Dramatically reducing illegal immigration, getting men out of girls' sports, getting LGBTQIA+ sex ed out of elementary schools, reducing waste and fraud in government, restoring meritocracy in hiring instead of DEI quotas, ending forever wars, etc.

Democratic Party politicians can take their pick. Survey their constituents and see which Trump policies are most popular. And work WITH him on a couple of those. The fraud and waste thing might be a good one. Dems could agree and amplify and turn the spotlight on the areas of Republican waste and fraud--the Pentagon, subsidies for oil and gas, etc etc. That would play better in Peoria than the Democratic position so far, which IS nuanced, but LOOKS to voters like an oppostion to ANY audits or spending cuts.

You are pretending to be a Democrat while slipping in your total BS first line. No democrat thinks that republicans should not be “allowed” to exist. You are not fooling anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

I want there to be a quick hard downturn in hopes they can realize the cause (unlike others, I’m still hopeful the flyover voters aren’t stupid or at least still have the ability to wake up; I’m an optimist though) - realize the cause quickly enough that we can get back before the country is irreparably ruined.

Yes, it's clear what you want. And it's hateful and hyperpartisan. Why don't you just come up with a better platform and try to win the next election on your POSITIVES, rather than insisting on keeping the same crappy platform and hoping to win because of economic suffering?

The Republicans are in power and are going to stay in power for the next few years. We tried our best to pry Trump out of power through non-democratic means, and it backfired. You can SAY you want the downturn to be "quick," but Democrats can't regain power quickly. The only way the downturn could be quick is if Trump learns and adjusts and saves the day and gets the credit, which you obviously don't want.

People who deserve to lead would want Trump to succeed, and then would offer a platform that is even more productive and popular than his so you can take things to even greater heights for the country. But current Democrats want things to burn under Trump, because they love power and The Party more than they love the American people.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Well you already blew it. It's now year ten of the Trump era, because your efforts to "protect the country and the citizens from a con man" were so ham-handed and undemocratic and gross. You tried everything to "protect the country," and the country said, "No thanks, we prefer Trump." They know him pretty well by now, con-man tendencies and all, and they still chose him over you.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

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Anonymous wrote:So far the Democrats in Congress have acted as a unit. They've fought against everything Trump is trying to do. They've fought against audits and transparency, they've fought against cost-savings in government, they've fought against fraud reduction in government, and they've fought against border control. And they've fought FOR men in girls' sports.

Polls show that voter approval of the Democratic Party is dropping fast. Democrats are in a worse position than they were in back in November.

Four years of unpopular obstructionism will put Democratic re-election candidates in a terrible position. They need some actual achievements to point to, not just obstructionism. And the only achievements available will be bipartisan ones.

Whichever Democrats defect first and start working with Trump to pass popular parts of his agenda will be best positioned to hold onto their seats.

Exactly what are the popular parts of his agenda for Democrats?

None of his agenda is popular with hyperpartisan powerful Democrats like us. We're outraged that the Republican Party is even allowed to exist, and it's absolutely intolerable that was allowed to beat us, take office, etc.

But much of his agenda IS popular with independents, flyover state middle and working class Dems, soccer moms, etc. Dramatically reducing illegal immigration, getting men out of girls' sports, getting LGBTQIA+ sex ed out of elementary schools, reducing waste and fraud in government, restoring meritocracy in hiring instead of DEI quotas, ending forever wars, etc.

Democratic Party politicians can take their pick. Survey their constituents and see which Trump policies are most popular. And work WITH him on a couple of those. The fraud and waste thing might be a good one. Dems could agree and amplify and turn the spotlight on the areas of Republican waste and fraud--the Pentagon, subsidies for oil and gas, etc etc. That would play better in Peoria than the Democratic position so far, which IS nuanced, but LOOKS to voters like an oppostion to ANY audits or spending cuts.

You are pretending to be a Democrat while slipping in your total BS first line. No democrat thinks that republicans should not be “allowed” to exist. You are not fooling anyone.

Most Democrats I know HATE the current (successful) Republican Party. Most wanted the Republican candidate banned from the ballot and put in jail. Most say they'd be okay allowing a Mitt Romney to run (unsuccessfully) against Democrats, but they are NOT okay with populist America-First Republicans.

If JD Vance becomes the "MAGA" successor to Trump and the next nominee for President, will Democrats sue him? Will they try to block him from the ballot for "hate speech" or something? Or will they just fight a fair fight and lose gracefully? We'll see.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You don't actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

Yep. And it's very telling that these Democrats are wishing for economic collapse right now at the beginning of Trump's term. Democrats CAN'T "protect the country" right now, because they are out of power. So they either want people to be punished for their votes, or they want a collapse so bad it will justify another one of their undemocratic attempts to remove Trump without having to beat him in a fair election.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You don't actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

Yep. And it's very telling that these Democrats are wishing for economic collapse right now at the beginning of Trump's term. Democrats CAN'T "protect the country" right now, because they are out of power. So they either want people to be punished for their votes, or they want a collapse so bad it will justify another one of their undemocratic attempts to remove Trump without having to beat him in a fair election.

Hate will not keep your belly full.

I see you trying to paint the Ds as the enemy of the average American.

Let's see if you can keep the war drums beating load enough to drown out the suffering the average American will feel with Trump’s policies

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Anonymous wrote:So far the Democrats in Congress have acted as a unit. They've fought against everything Trump is trying to do. They've fought against audits and transparency, they've fought against cost-savings in government, they've fought against fraud reduction in government, and they've fought against border control. And they've fought FOR men in girls' sports.

Polls show that voter approval of the Democratic Party is dropping fast. Democrats are in a worse position than they were in back in November.

Four years of unpopular obstructionism will put Democratic re-election candidates in a terrible position. They need some actual achievements to point to, not just obstructionism. And the only achievements available will be bipartisan ones.

Whichever Democrats defect first and start working with Trump to pass popular parts of his agenda will be best positioned to hold onto their seats.

Exactly what are the popular parts of his agenda for Democrats?

None of his agenda is popular with hyperpartisan powerful Democrats like us. We're outraged that the Republican Party is even allowed to exist, and it's absolutely intolerable that was allowed to beat us, take office, etc.

But much of his agenda IS popular with independents, flyover state middle and working class Dems, soccer moms, etc. Dramatically reducing illegal immigration, getting men out of girls' sports, getting LGBTQIA+ sex ed out of elementary schools, reducing waste and fraud in government, restoring meritocracy in hiring instead of DEI quotas, ending forever wars, etc.

Democratic Party politicians can take their pick. Survey their constituents and see which Trump policies are most popular. And work WITH him on a couple of those. The fraud and waste thing might be a good one. Dems could agree and amplify and turn the spotlight on the areas of Republican waste and fraud--the Pentagon, subsidies for oil and gas, etc etc. That would play better in Peoria than the Democratic position so far, which IS nuanced, but LOOKS to voters like an oppostion to ANY audits or spending cuts.

You are pretending to be a Democrat while slipping in your total BS first line. No democrat thinks that republicans should not be “allowed” to exist. You are not fooling anyone.

Most Democrats I know HATE the current (successful) Republican Party. Most wanted the Republican candidate banned from the ballot and put in jail. Most say they'd be okay allowing a Mitt Romney to run (unsuccessfully) against Democrats, but they are NOT okay with populist America-First Republicans.

If JD Vance becomes the "MAGA" successor to Trump and the next nominee for President, will Democrats sue him? Will they try to block him from the ballot for "hate speech" or something? Or will they just fight a fair fight and lose gracefully? We'll see.

DP. I'm an independent. I don't want a J6er to be president. I don't want a party who is soullessly bending to rationalize and approve of J5 to be dismantling the government and economy in favor of tech bros. I thought everyone, R and D, hated tech bros?

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During the campaign, Project 2025 was hugely unpopular, with Rs and DS and everyone. Now Trump is doing it and it's hugely unpopular.

Coincidence?

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Anonymous wrote:"The Senate voted 67-32 this evening to confirm Lori Chavez-DeRemer as Secretary of Labor. GOP Sens. Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul and Ted Budd voted against confirming her nomination while 17 Democrats voted with the rest of the Republican conference to confirm Chavez-DeRemer."

Do they not realize we are not fighting on issue/policy alignment but on perception?

I am so frustrated with the D party.

I know Ezra Klein's column this week and his book has some buzz going: https://slate.com/culture/2025/03/abundance-ezra-klein-democrats-book-derek-thompson.html) and I appreciate him and listen to his podcast but what has stuck out to me recently is David Brooks's remarks (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/06/opinion/david-brooks-trump-power.html) that perhaps the Dem issue is they at they don't lean into their base which is not working class Americans, but actually highlight educated and intellectual Americans.

This is a message for Rep Gerry Connolly, and Sen Kaine, and Sen Warner.

Your leadership has brought this result. Thank you.

For all the times you refused to mandate e-verify to go after employers hiring illegal aliens.

For all the times you refused to enforce border regulations.

For all the times you supported expansion of H-1B and L1 by Biden.

For all the times you supported expansion of OPT by Biden.

Thank you for expanding immigration which resulted in democrats losing , twice, and the federal work force getting cut in half.

Thank you. This could not have happened without your votes to expand immigration guaranteeing that democrats will lose elections.

Immigration was the second most important issue and democrats abandoned US citizens

Republicans do something bad.
"Why didn't the Democrats do enough to stop this?"

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You don't actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

Yep. And it's very telling that these Democrats are wishing for economic collapse right now at the beginning of Trump's term. Democrats CAN'T "protect the country" right now, because they are out of power. So they either want people to be punished for their votes, or they want a collapse so bad it will justify another one of their undemocratic attempts to remove Trump without having to beat him in a fair election.

Yeah, eff Trump. You misunderstand me. The democrats frustrate me in many ways. That doesn't mean I can't see that Trump is a criminal, and likely a Russian asset, intent on destroying our democracy. I just also think Democrats can't effectively oppose him because they have their own sh!t. I'm tired of the red team blue team game. None of these people give a damn about the average American.

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Anonymous wrote:So far the Democrats in Congress have acted as a unit. They've fought against everything Trump is trying to do. They've fought against audits and transparency, they've fought against cost-savings in government, they've fought against fraud reduction in government, and they've fought against border control. And they've fought FOR men in girls' sports.

Polls show that voter approval of the Democratic Party is dropping fast. Democrats are in a worse position than they were in back in November.

Four years of unpopular obstructionism will put Democratic re-election candidates in a terrible position. They need some actual achievements to point to, not just obstructionism. And the only achievements available will be bipartisan ones.

Whichever Democrats defect first and start working with Trump to pass popular parts of his agenda will be best positioned to hold onto their seats.

Exactly what are the popular parts of his agenda for Democrats?

None of his agenda is popular with hyperpartisan powerful Democrats like us. We're outraged that the Republican Party is even allowed to exist, and it's absolutely intolerable that was allowed to beat us, take office, etc.

But much of his agenda IS popular with independents, flyover state middle and working class Dems, soccer moms, etc. Dramatically reducing illegal immigration, getting men out of girls' sports, getting LGBTQIA+ sex ed out of elementary schools, reducing waste and fraud in government, restoring meritocracy in hiring instead of DEI quotas, ending forever wars, etc.

Democratic Party politicians can take their pick. Survey their constituents and see which Trump policies are most popular. And work WITH him on a couple of those. The fraud and waste thing might be a good one. Dems could agree and amplify and turn the spotlight on the areas of Republican waste and fraud--the Pentagon, subsidies for oil and gas, etc etc. That would play better in Peoria than the Democratic position so far, which IS nuanced, but LOOKS to voters like an oppostion to ANY audits or spending cuts.

You are pretending to be a Democrat while slipping in your total BS first line. No democrat thinks that republicans should not be “allowed” to exist. You are not fooling anyone.

Most Democrats I know HATE the current (successful) Republican Party. Most wanted the Republican candidate banned from the ballot and put in jail. Most say they'd be okay allowing a Mitt Romney to run (unsuccessfully) against Democrats, but they are NOT okay with populist America-First Republicans.

If JD Vance becomes the "MAGA" successor to Trump and the next nominee for President, will Democrats sue him? Will they try to block him from the ballot for "hate speech" or something? Or will they just fight a fair fight and lose gracefully? We'll see.

I call BS. Trolling from a Russian bunker afraid of Ukraine's drone hits, no doubt.