Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.
Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.
Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.
Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.
I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.
Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.
Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.
That just means checked out at this point.
I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another
The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)
No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.
Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.
Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.
We get it.
You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.
I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.
If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."
"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.
Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.
Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.
And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.
We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.
But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!
If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.
You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.
What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?
And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.
What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.
Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.
We will all see how it goes.
Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.
You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.
Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.
Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.
I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.
Focus now
Who is causing this suffering?
Get them out of office
Contrary for Democrat hopes, dreams, and actions over the past 10 years, it's very hard to "get them out of office" by undemocratic means. We tried everything. Russiagate, double impeachment, censorship, lawsuits. We even arrested the guy and took his mugshot! We made him a felon! We found him liable for sexual assualt! But he's STILL more popular than we are. Mostly because we believe ourselves to be holy and we believe our policies to be morally right even if the electorate hates them. There's nothing we can do now to get him out of office except change our policies to be more in line with what voters want.
We're impatient. We don't want to wait two years for the midterms. We don't want to change any policies or admit any mistakes, because that's an ego blow we aren't psychologically prepared to take. So we keep screaming about "resisting" the will of the voters. We keep acting like it's 2017 and we have a chance to "get rid of" the guy who beat Hillary. It's embarrassing.
The most likely path forward is continued irrelevance for our party. Republicans are willing to change. They used to be even more pro-open-borders than we are! But they heard the people complaining, so they changed their policies. Not us. We won't change for the voters. We are all-knowing. And we're now the minority party, out of power, which is where we'll stay.
The more we keep focusing on undoing the will of the voters, the less likely we are to earn their future votes. We're the sour grapes party, the cheating party. We know we won't win any popularity contests, so we want to disqualify the popular kids from running.
Spot on. You captured our party. It is so depressing.
Democrats right now are trying to read the tea leaves to determine if it's better to chance a shutdown or vote for the CR then switch parties like so many other D politicians have done these last few years
Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.
Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.
Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.
Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.
I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.
Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.
Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.
That just means checked out at this point.
I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another
The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)
No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.
Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.
Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.
We get it.
You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.
I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.
If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."
"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.
Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.
Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.
And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.
We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.
But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!
If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.
You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.
What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?
And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.
What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.
Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.
We will all see how it goes.
Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.
You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.
Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.
Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.
I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.
Focus now
Who is causing this suffering?
Get them out of office
Contrary for Democrat hopes, dreams, and actions over the past 10 years, it's very hard to "get them out of office" by undemocratic means. We tried everything. Russiagate, double impeachment, censorship, lawsuits. We even arrested the guy and took his mugshot! We made him a felon! We found him liable for sexual assualt! But he's STILL more popular than we are. Mostly because we believe ourselves to be holy and we believe our policies to be morally right even if the electorate hates them. There's nothing we can do now to get him out of office except change our policies to be more in line with what voters want.
We're impatient. We don't want to wait two years for the midterms. We don't want to change any policies or admit any mistakes, because that's an ego blow we aren't psychologically prepared to take. So we keep screaming about "resisting" the will of the voters. We keep acting like it's 2017 and we have a chance to "get rid of" the guy who beat Hillary. It's embarrassing.
The most likely path forward is continued irrelevance for our party. Republicans are willing to change. They used to be even more pro-open-borders than we are! But they heard the people complaining, so they changed their policies. Not us. We won't change for the voters. We are all-knowing. And we're now the minority party, out of power, which is where we'll stay.
The more we keep focusing on undoing the will of the voters, the less likely we are to earn their future votes. We're the sour grapes party, the cheating party. We know we won't win any popularity contests, so we want to disqualify the popular kids from running.
Spot on. You captured our party. It is so depressing.
Disagree! Republicans goose step their platform whether they agree with it or not. Mostly because of PAC monies. Do what we say or no more campaign monies.
Democrats are over the map. Just look at the state of the union. Some wear pink, some wear gold and blue and some carry meaningless signs.
Every time Trump told a lie they should have stood up and yelled in unison “LIES!”.
Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.
Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.
Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.
Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.
I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.
Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.
Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.
That just means checked out at this point.
I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another
The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)
No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.
Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.
Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.
We get it.
You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.
I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.
If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."
"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.
Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.
Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.
And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.
We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.
But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!
If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.
You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.
What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?
And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.
What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.
Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.
We will all see how it goes.
Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.
You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.
Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.
Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.
I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.
Focus now
Who is causing this suffering?
Get them out of office
Contrary for Democrat hopes, dreams, and actions over the past 10 years, it's very hard to "get them out of office" by undemocratic means. We tried everything. Russiagate, double impeachment, censorship, lawsuits. We even arrested the guy and took his mugshot! We made him a felon! We found him liable for sexual assualt! But he's STILL more popular than we are. Mostly because we believe ourselves to be holy and we believe our policies to be morally right even if the electorate hates them. There's nothing we can do now to get him out of office except change our policies to be more in line with what voters want.
We're impatient. We don't want to wait two years for the midterms. We don't want to change any policies or admit any mistakes, because that's an ego blow we aren't psychologically prepared to take. So we keep screaming about "resisting" the will of the voters. We keep acting like it's 2017 and we have a chance to "get rid of" the guy who beat Hillary. It's embarrassing.
The most likely path forward is continued irrelevance for our party. Republicans are willing to change. They used to be even more pro-open-borders than we are! But they heard the people complaining, so they changed their policies. Not us. We won't change for the voters. We are all-knowing. And we're now the minority party, out of power, which is where we'll stay.
The more we keep focusing on undoing the will of the voters, the less likely we are to earn their future votes. We're the sour grapes party, the cheating party. We know we won't win any popularity contests, so we want to disqualify the popular kids from running.
Our entire governmental framework exists specifically because the Founders did not trust the masses. We are not a democracy but a representative republic with many checks intended to protect freedom and minorities against an overzealous, overheated majority.
Read the Bill of Rights, in its entirely, and then read it again. Read the Federalist papers. Read Jefferson’s letters. Read the early case law. Read about the clients Adams represented in particular.
We have means of changing our government. A king and his proclamations- that ain’t it even if 33% of an undereducated populace is rabidly cheering it on.
The problem is that the voters won't buy the fife and drum routine from Democrats. Democrats have made it very clear that they trust The State and The Party more than the Bill of Rights or the Constitution. From gun control to hate speech to domestic surveilance to medical tyranny, to "a living, breathing, changing Constitution," Democrats are often on board with things that would make the founding fathers spin in their graves. Democrats created the huge administrative state, and Democrats in Congress were happy to delegate lots of rule making and spending decisions to the bureaucracy so the voters wouldn't hold them personally liable for enacting the will of the lobbyists. Now that Trump controls the Executive Branch, they are squawking. I get it, I'd love for Congress to fully execute its Constitutional duties. But this fife and drum business is bad politics for Democrats. Most of the voters now know what Democrats mean by "our democracy," and it's not checks and balances. Every time the Constitution or the Bill of Rites or the American Flag or the Founding Fathers come up, it helps Republicans more than Democrats. It is what it is. We let ourselves get a little too globalist, a little too unpatriotic, and now we're not credible as defenders of the Bill of Rights.
Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.
Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.
Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.
Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.
I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.
Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.
Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.
That just means checked out at this point.
I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another
The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)
No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.
Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.
Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You don't actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.
Yep. And it's very telling that these Democrats are wishing for economic collapse right now at the beginning of Trump's term. Democrats CAN'T "protect the country" right now, because they are out of power. So they either want people to be punished for their votes, or they want a collapse so bad it will justify another one of their undemocratic attempts to remove Trump without having to beat him in a fair election.
Yeah, eff Trump. You misunderstand me. The democrats frustrate me in many ways. That doesn't mean I can't see that Trump is a criminal, and likely a Russian asset, intent on destroying our democracy. I just also think Democrats can't effectively oppose him because they have their own sh!t. I'm tired of the red team blue team game. None of these people give a damn about the average American.
"I'm tired of the red team blue team game. None of these people give a damn about the average American".
You have absolutely no clue just how correct you are when making this statement. The not so funny thing is that careless American voters will continue to be duped into voting for GOP and Dem politicians because apparently they enjoy dysfunctional government. Way too many idiots in this country!
Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.
Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.
Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.
Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.
I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.
Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.
Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.
That just means checked out at this point.
I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another
The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)
No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.
Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.
Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You don't actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.
Yep. And it's very telling that these Democrats are wishing for economic collapse right now at the beginning of Trump's term. Democrats CAN'T "protect the country" right now, because they are out of power. So they either want people to be punished for their votes, or they want a collapse so bad it will justify another one of their undemocratic attempts to remove Trump without having to beat him in a fair election.
Yeah, eff Trump. You misunderstand me. The democrats frustrate me in many ways. That doesn't mean I can't see that Trump is a criminal, and likely a Russian asset, intent on destroying our democracy. I just also think Democrats can't effectively oppose him because they have their own sh!t. I'm tired of the red team blue team game. None of these people give a damn about the average American.
If Democrats are so bad, what are you upset that Trump is tearing down everything Democrats built, from EPA to Ed to NLRB to CFPB and Medicare to Medicaid Social Security or ACA?
If the democracy was a complete failure, why are you so protective of it?
This is the best admin I can recall in a long time. He's doing what should be done that's why most Dems aren't standing up to him.
It is AMAZING how he cornered Democrats into vehemently opposing audits, transparency, fraud reduction, waste reduction, cost-cutting, and layoffs for federal workers who haven't faced layoffs for 30 years and haven't had to come into the office for 5 years.
Everyone in America knows the federal government is inefficient. Everyone in America knows they aren't getting much value for their federal income taxes. And the Democrats, in their "fierce opposition" to Trump, took the most unpopular positions imaginable. "Audits like this should be illegal! The voters don't deserve to see where their money is going! The federal government IS efficient, and doesn't need ANY reform! All federal workers deserve lifetime tenure! They should never have to send an email about what they're working on!"
In my humble opinion, the way Democrats have responded to the audits and attempts to reduce fraud and waste have been more destructive to Democratic electoral prospects than ANYTHING Joe Biden did. I think the recent positioning is so bad that it makes 10 million illegals and men in girls' sports seem like no big deal in comparison. Democrats in government have let it be known that they feel entitled to ALL the taxpayer money, forever. I cannot imagine them recovering from this any time soon. Chuck Schumer and Elizabeth Warren and Maxine Waters "protesting" audits and cost-cutting? The Republican midterm ads are already made.
+1
An interesting read that corresponds to your point:
Congress Has Only Itself to Blame for DOGE
"For decades, both parties have treated spending oversight as a talking point rather than an actual constitutional responsibility. Lawmakers of all stripes have been too distracted by partisan brawls and endless campaigns to do the unglamorous work of following the money. The result? Billions in spending that no one—especially the lawmakers—can fully explain."
Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.
Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.
Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.
Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.
I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.
Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.
Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.
That just means checked out at this point.
I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another
The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)
No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.
Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.
Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You don't actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.
Yep. And it's very telling that these Democrats are wishing for economic collapse right now at the beginning of Trump's term. Democrats CAN'T "protect the country" right now, because they are out of power. So they either want people to be punished for their votes, or they want a collapse so bad it will justify another one of their undemocratic attempts to remove Trump without having to beat him in a fair election.
Yeah, eff Trump. You misunderstand me. The democrats frustrate me in many ways. That doesn't mean I can't see that Trump is a criminal, and likely a Russian asset, intent on destroying our democracy. I just also think Democrats can't effectively oppose him because they have their own sh!t. I'm tired of the red team blue team game. None of these people give a damn about the average American.
If Democrats are so bad, what are you upset that Trump is tearing down everything Democrats built, from EPA to Ed to NLRB to CFPB and Medicare to Medicaid Social Security or ACA?
If the democracy was a complete failure, why are you so protective of it?
This is the best admin I can recall in a long time. He's doing what should be done that's why most Dems aren't standing up to him.
It is AMAZING how he cornered Democrats into vehemently opposing audits, transparency, fraud reduction, waste reduction, cost-cutting, and layoffs for federal workers who haven't faced layoffs for 30 years and haven't had to come into the office for 5 years.
Everyone in America knows the federal government is inefficient. Everyone in America knows they aren't getting much value for their federal income taxes. And the Democrats, in their "fierce opposition" to Trump, took the most unpopular positions imaginable. "Audits like this should be illegal! The voters don't deserve to see where their money is going! The federal government IS efficient, and doesn't need ANY reform! All federal workers deserve lifetime tenure! They should never have to send an email about what they're working on!"
In my humble opinion, the way Democrats have responded to the audits and attempts to reduce fraud and waste have been more destructive to Democratic electoral prospects than ANYTHING Joe Biden did. I think the recent positioning is so bad that it makes 10 million illegals and men in girls' sports seem like no big deal in comparison. Democrats in government have let it be known that they feel entitled to ALL the taxpayer money, forever. I cannot imagine them recovering from this any time soon. Chuck Schumer and Elizabeth Warren and Maxine Waters "protesting" audits and cost-cutting? The Republican midterm ads are already made.
+1
An interesting read that corresponds to your point:
Congress Has Only Itself to Blame for DOGE
"For decades, both parties have treated spending oversight as a talking point rather than an actual constitutional responsibility. Lawmakers of all stripes have been too distracted by partisan brawls and endless campaigns to do the unglamorous work of following the money. The result? Billions in spending that no one—especially the lawmakers—can fully explain."
What about the idiot voters that continue to elect toxic elderly politicians like Graham and Schumer??? Some blame has to be owned by the people that continue to elect the garbage in Congress.
Anonymous wrote:I think Democrats are stunned. They are scared. The J6 criminals are out on the streets.
This is not going to end well.
We are screwed without leadership, and there is no leadership in the Democratic Party.
Yep. They get constant death threats. That’s why he pardoned them as his first order. It set the stage for all that follows. His personal militia.
You Dem’s crack me up. Oh no, we have J6 criminals without weapons running wild on our streets. Maybe you can round up all of the gangbangers and illegals from MS13 to hunt those J6 terrorist down. Especially the one wearing horns because he has to be the most dangerous of all. Just ask a bull fighter.
Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.
Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.
Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.
Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.
I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.
Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.
Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.
That just means checked out at this point.
I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another
The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)
No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.
Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.
Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You don't actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.
Yep. And it's very telling that these Democrats are wishing for economic collapse right now at the beginning of Trump's term. Democrats CAN'T "protect the country" right now, because they are out of power. So they either want people to be punished for their votes, or they want a collapse so bad it will justify another one of their undemocratic attempts to remove Trump without having to beat him in a fair election.
Yeah, eff Trump. You misunderstand me. The democrats frustrate me in many ways. That doesn't mean I can't see that Trump is a criminal, and likely a Russian asset, intent on destroying our democracy. I just also think Democrats can't effectively oppose him because they have their own sh!t. I'm tired of the red team blue team game. None of these people give a damn about the average American.
If Democrats are so bad, what are you upset that Trump is tearing down everything Democrats built, from EPA to Ed to NLRB to CFPB and Medicare to Medicaid Social Security or ACA?
If the democracy was a complete failure, why are you so protective of it?
This is the best admin I can recall in a long time. He's doing what should be done that's why most Dems aren't standing up to him.
It is AMAZING how he cornered Democrats into vehemently opposing audits, transparency, fraud reduction, waste reduction, cost-cutting, and layoffs for federal workers who haven't faced layoffs for 30 years and haven't had to come into the office for 5 years.
Everyone in America knows the federal government is inefficient. Everyone in America knows they aren't getting much value for their federal income taxes. And the Democrats, in their "fierce opposition" to Trump, took the most unpopular positions imaginable. "Audits like this should be illegal! The voters don't deserve to see where their money is going! The federal government IS efficient, and doesn't need ANY reform! All federal workers deserve lifetime tenure! They should never have to send an email about what they're working on!"
In my humble opinion, the way Democrats have responded to the audits and attempts to reduce fraud and waste have been more destructive to Democratic electoral prospects than ANYTHING Joe Biden did. I think the recent positioning is so bad that it makes 10 million illegals and men in girls' sports seem like no big deal in comparison. Democrats in government have let it be known that they feel entitled to ALL the taxpayer money, forever. I cannot imagine them recovering from this any time soon. Chuck Schumer and Elizabeth Warren and Maxine Waters "protesting" audits and cost-cutting? The Republican midterm ads are already made.
+1
An interesting read that corresponds to your point:
Congress Has Only Itself to Blame for DOGE
"For decades, both parties have treated spending oversight as a talking point rather than an actual constitutional responsibility. Lawmakers of all stripes have been too distracted by partisan brawls and endless campaigns to do the unglamorous work of following the money. The result? Billions in spending that no one—especially the lawmakers—can fully explain."
You don't get it. Wasteful government spending is a feature, not a bug, of our current system of government (and is the same around the world). It's often how things we want get done by those who need their backs scratched.
The position of a member of congress is largely a desk role. These aren't usually revolutionaries.
So the average Congress person was just expecting a standard job with good health care. You know, maybe a book deal
Not a full blown assault on the Constitution.
I find it telling that those who don't fit the standard mold are the ones most willing to speak out. They have already learned to struggle against the wind.
You people are weird. Congress has no function except it gets you book deals? The greatest part of this reply was the piece written by Shakespeare “they have already learned to struggle against the wind.” That is awe inspiring. I assume you speak of women who have learned how to manage getting their hair-do ruined by the wind. They say that’ a b***h.. Although they still haven’t figured how to stop the frizzies from humidity.
I’d love to hear more about this assault on the Constitution when you have time…….as far as I know only, Dem’s don’t even care about the Constitution, they just cherry pick parts and burn the rest. So please educate me on how my party is assaulting the constitution. In fact, our party members are considered originalist, yours non-originalist. Do you understand that. So we accept the Constitution as wtitten while tour party thinks it should change with the blowing winds. Sounds to me like your party is the one assaulting the Constitution.
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