And why are my Dem reps not standing up to Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.

Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.

We will all see how it goes.

Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.

You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.

Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.

Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.

I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.

Focus now

Who is causing this suffering?

Get them out of office

Yes Trump is causing it. And Dems are rooting for it. Neither is good. What would it take for you to get that through your skull? Neither party is helping us.

Republican policies benefit rich people, but their voters are too dumb to see it. Democrats are similarly too dumb to see that maybe the party that takes billions from the pharmaceutical industry isn't serious about reforming healthcare. Neither of these parties is serious about helping you.

You know who is serious? Progressives. Bernie is out there fighting for us. Trying to do SOMETHING. AOC is trying to do SOMETHING. If we want to fight this, we need new people who are serious about US, not donors.

With them having no power, this doesn't hurt you.

It lays bare who they are. Makes people less susceptible to the whole morally superior guilt trip.

And this helps them take care of their families how?

It tells them that maybe those folks also can't be trusted. Why aren't you getting this?

People's actions are more reliable. If it help your family, it is good. If it doesn't, vote differently

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Schumer needs to go as Minority Leader. He's like the invisible man these days, has outlived his usefulness, and a sharper, more articulate leader and someone who is more willing to fight should take his place.

I'm not happy with Jeffries either. They need to learn something from how Republicans obstructed action when they were out of power and use that to protect our country from this facist takeover.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You don't actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

Yep. And it's very telling that these Democrats are wishing for economic collapse right now at the beginning of Trump's term. Democrats CAN'T "protect the country" right now, because they are out of power. So they either want people to be punished for their votes, or they want a collapse so bad it will justify another one of their undemocratic attempts to remove Trump without having to beat him in a fair election.

Yeah, eff Trump. You misunderstand me. The democrats frustrate me in many ways. That doesn't mean I can't see that Trump is a criminal, and likely a Russian asset, intent on destroying our democracy. I just also think Democrats can't effectively oppose him because they have their own sh!t. I'm tired of the red team blue team game. None of these people give a damn about the average American.

If Democrats are so bad, what are you upset that Trump is tearing down everything Democrats built, from EPA to Ed to NLRB to CFPB and Medicare to Medicaid Social Security or ACA?

If the democracy was a complete failure, why are you so protective of it?

This is the best admin I can recall in a long time. He's doing what should be done that's why most Dems aren't standing up to him.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.

Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.

We will all see how it goes.

Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.

You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.

Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.

Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.

I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.

Focus now

Who is causing this suffering?

Get them out of office

Contrary for Democrat hopes, dreams, and actions over the past 10 years, it's very hard to "get them out of office" by undemocratic means. We tried everything. Russiagate, double impeachment, censorship, lawsuits. We even arrested the guy and took his mugshot! We made him a felon! We found him liable for sexual assualt! But he's STILL more popular than we are. Mostly because we believe ourselves to be holy and we believe our policies to be morally right even if the electorate hates them. There's nothing we can do now to get him out of office except change our policies to be more in line with what voters want.

We're impatient. We don't want to wait two years for the midterms. We don't want to change any policies or admit any mistakes, because that's an ego blow we aren't psychologically prepared to take. So we keep screaming about "resisting" the will of the voters. We keep acting like it's 2017 and we have a chance to "get rid of" the guy who beat Hillary. It's embarrassing.

The most likely path forward is continued irrelevance for our party. Republicans are willing to change. They used to be even more pro-open-borders than we are! But they heard the people complaining, so they changed their policies. Not us. We won't change for the voters. We are all-knowing. And we're now the minority party, out of power, which is where we'll stay.

The more we keep focusing on undoing the will of the voters, the less likely we are to earn their future votes. We're the sour grapes party, the cheating party. We know we won't win any popularity contests, so we want to disqualify the popular kids from running.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.

Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.

We will all see how it goes.

Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.

You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.

Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.

Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.

I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.

Focus now

Who is causing this suffering?

Get them out of office

Contrary for Democrat hopes, dreams, and actions over the past 10 years, it's very hard to "get them out of office" by undemocratic means. We tried everything. Russiagate, double impeachment, censorship, lawsuits. We even arrested the guy and took his mugshot! We made him a felon! We found him liable for sexual assualt! But he's STILL more popular than we are. Mostly because we believe ourselves to be holy and we believe our policies to be morally right even if the electorate hates them. There's nothing we can do now to get him out of office except change our policies to be more in line with what voters want.

We're impatient. We don't want to wait two years for the midterms. We don't want to change any policies or admit any mistakes, because that's an ego blow we aren't psychologically prepared to take. So we keep screaming about "resisting" the will of the voters. We keep acting like it's 2017 and we have a chance to "get rid of" the guy who beat Hillary. It's embarrassing.

The most likely path forward is continued irrelevance for our party. Republicans are willing to change. They used to be even more pro-open-borders than we are! But they heard the people complaining, so they changed their policies. Not us. We won't change for the voters. We are all-knowing. And we're now the minority party, out of power, which is where we'll stay.

The more we keep focusing on undoing the will of the voters, the less likely we are to earn their future votes. We're the sour grapes party, the cheating party. We know we won't win any popularity contests, so we want to disqualify the popular kids from running.

Doyou people REALLY think you are fooling anyone with the WE? Dumber eveyr minute.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.

Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.

We will all see how it goes.

Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.

You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.

Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.

Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.

I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.

Focus now

Who is causing this suffering?

Get them out of office

Yes Trump is causing it. And Dems are rooting for it. Neither is good. What would it take for you to get that through your skull? Neither party is helping us.

Republican policies benefit rich people, but their voters are too dumb to see it. Democrats are similarly too dumb to see that maybe the party that takes billions from the pharmaceutical industry isn't serious about reforming healthcare. Neither of these parties is serious about helping you.

You know who is serious? Progressives. Bernie is out there fighting for us. Trying to do SOMETHING. AOC is trying to do SOMETHING. If we want to fight this, we need new people who are serious about US, not donors.

With them having no power, this doesn't hurt you.

It lays bare who they are. Makes people less susceptible to the whole morally superior guilt trip.

And this helps them take care of their families how?

It tells them that maybe those folks also can't be trusted. Why aren't you getting this?

People's actions are more reliable. If it help your family, it is good. If it doesn't, vote differently

And your party lost. What does that tell you about what people think about how their family would fair or was fairing under Dem leadership?

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.

Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.

We will all see how it goes.

Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.

You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.

Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.

Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.

I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.

Focus now

Who is causing this suffering?

Get them out of office

Contrary for Democrat hopes, dreams, and actions over the past 10 years, it's very hard to "get them out of office" by undemocratic means. We tried everything. Russiagate, double impeachment, censorship, lawsuits. We even arrested the guy and took his mugshot! We made him a felon! We found him liable for sexual assualt! But he's STILL more popular than we are. Mostly because we believe ourselves to be holy and we believe our policies to be morally right even if the electorate hates them. There's nothing we can do now to get him out of office except change our policies to be more in line with what voters want.

We're impatient. We don't want to wait two years for the midterms. We don't want to change any policies or admit any mistakes, because that's an ego blow we aren't psychologically prepared to take. So we keep screaming about "resisting" the will of the voters. We keep acting like it's 2017 and we have a chance to "get rid of" the guy who beat Hillary. It's embarrassing.

The most likely path forward is continued irrelevance for our party. Republicans are willing to change. They used to be even more pro-open-borders than we are! But they heard the people complaining, so they changed their policies. Not us. We won't change for the voters. We are all-knowing. And we're now the minority party, out of power, which is where we'll stay.

The more we keep focusing on undoing the will of the voters, the less likely we are to earn their future votes. We're the sour grapes party, the cheating party. We know we won't win any popularity contests, so we want to disqualify the popular kids from running.

Doyou people REALLY think you are fooling anyone with the WE? Dumber eveyr minute.

Keep othering people trying desperately to get the party to consider new strategies. The party lost. At some point you have to consider maybe people don't want what is being offered. Do you want to win or do you want to feel superior?

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You don't actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

Yep. And it's very telling that these Democrats are wishing for economic collapse right now at the beginning of Trump's term. Democrats CAN'T "protect the country" right now, because they are out of power. So they either want people to be punished for their votes, or they want a collapse so bad it will justify another one of their undemocratic attempts to remove Trump without having to beat him in a fair election.

Yeah, eff Trump. You misunderstand me. The democrats frustrate me in many ways. That doesn't mean I can't see that Trump is a criminal, and likely a Russian asset, intent on destroying our democracy. I just also think Democrats can't effectively oppose him because they have their own sh!t. I'm tired of the red team blue team game. None of these people give a damn about the average American.

If Democrats are so bad, what are you upset that Trump is tearing down everything Democrats built, from EPA to Ed to NLRB to CFPB and Medicare to Medicaid Social Security or ACA?

If the democracy was a complete failure, why are you so protective of it?

This is the best admin I can recall in a long time. He's doing what should be done that's why most Dems aren't standing up to him.

It is AMAZING how he cornered Democrats into vehemently opposing audits, transparency, fraud reduction, waste reduction, cost-cutting, and layoffs for federal workers who haven't faced layoffs for 30 years and haven't had to come into the office for 5 years.

Everyone in America knows the federal government is inefficient. Everyone in America knows they aren't getting much value for their federal income taxes. And the Democrats, in their "fierce opposition" to Trump, took the most unpopular positions imaginable. "Audits like this should be illegal! The voters don't deserve to see where their money is going! The federal government IS efficient, and doesn't need ANY reform! All federal workers deserve lifetime tenure! They should never have to send an email about what they're working on!"

In my humble opinion, the way Democrats have responded to the audits and attempts to reduce fraud and waste have been more destructive to Democratic electoral prospects than ANYTHING Joe Biden did. I think the recent positioning is so bad that it makes 10 million illegals and men in girls' sports seem like no big deal in comparison. Democrats in government have let it be known that they feel entitled to ALL the taxpayer money, forever. I cannot imagine them recovering from this any time soon. Chuck Schumer and Elizabeth Warren and Maxine Waters "protesting" audits and cost-cutting? The Republican midterm ads are already made.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.

Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.

We will all see how it goes.

Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.

You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.

Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.

Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.

I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.

Focus now

Who is causing this suffering?

Get them out of office

Contrary for Democrat hopes, dreams, and actions over the past 10 years, it's very hard to "get them out of office" by undemocratic means. We tried everything. Russiagate, double impeachment, censorship, lawsuits. We even arrested the guy and took his mugshot! We made him a felon! We found him liable for sexual assualt! But he's STILL more popular than we are. Mostly because we believe ourselves to be holy and we believe our policies to be morally right even if the electorate hates them. There's nothing we can do now to get him out of office except change our policies to be more in line with what voters want.

We're impatient. We don't want to wait two years for the midterms. We don't want to change any policies or admit any mistakes, because that's an ego blow we aren't psychologically prepared to take. So we keep screaming about "resisting" the will of the voters. We keep acting like it's 2017 and we have a chance to "get rid of" the guy who beat Hillary. It's embarrassing.

The most likely path forward is continued irrelevance for our party. Republicans are willing to change. They used to be even more pro-open-borders than we are! But they heard the people complaining, so they changed their policies. Not us. We won't change for the voters. We are all-knowing. And we're now the minority party, out of power, which is where we'll stay.

The more we keep focusing on undoing the will of the voters, the less likely we are to earn their future votes. We're the sour grapes party, the cheating party. We know we won't win any popularity contests, so we want to disqualify the popular kids from running.

Doyou people REALLY think you are fooling anyone with the WE? Dumber eveyr minute.

I like this litmus test! Any advice for Democrats to try to appeal to voters more must mean the poster isn't a "pure" Democrat. Pure Democrats don't change policies, don't admit faults, and feel smugly superior. Anyone suggesting we back off on illegal immigrant importation or trans athletes isn't a "pure" Democrat. Is it any wonder we're losing? We're going to stay holy and pure, but we're going to shrink.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.

Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.

We will all see how it goes.

Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.

You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.

Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.

Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.

I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.

Focus now

Who is causing this suffering?

Get them out of office

Contrary for Democrat hopes, dreams, and actions over the past 10 years, it's very hard to "get them out of office" by undemocratic means. We tried everything. Russiagate, double impeachment, censorship, lawsuits. We even arrested the guy and took his mugshot! We made him a felon! We found him liable for sexual assualt! But he's STILL more popular than we are. Mostly because we believe ourselves to be holy and we believe our policies to be morally right even if the electorate hates them. There's nothing we can do now to get him out of office except change our policies to be more in line with what voters want.

We're impatient. We don't want to wait two years for the midterms. We don't want to change any policies or admit any mistakes, because that's an ego blow we aren't psychologically prepared to take. So we keep screaming about "resisting" the will of the voters. We keep acting like it's 2017 and we have a chance to "get rid of" the guy who beat Hillary. It's embarrassing.

The most likely path forward is continued irrelevance for our party. Republicans are willing to change. They used to be even more pro-open-borders than we are! But they heard the people complaining, so they changed their policies. Not us. We won't change for the voters. We are all-knowing. And we're now the minority party, out of power, which is where we'll stay.

The more we keep focusing on undoing the will of the voters, the less likely we are to earn their future votes. We're the sour grapes party, the cheating party. We know we won't win any popularity contests, so we want to disqualify the popular kids from running.

Doyou people REALLY think you are fooling anyone with the WE? Dumber eveyr minute.

Who cares? The trolls are giving us some good free advice. We should think about why we lost and about what we should change. If we reject that advice because we don't think the poster is reeeaaaallly a dcurbanmom Democrat, who are we really hurting?

Who even are these posters who keep insisting that Dems shouldn't respond to the electorate? That seems like trolling to me. "Do nothing, reconsider nothing, change nothing. Let the Orange Man take the initiative on everything and hope he will bumble into giving Democrats a majority." I mean, that strategy could work, Trump does suck and there probably will be a recession. But the "do nothing" argument seems a little suspicious.

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My favorite trolls on here are the ones who call everyone a bigot for not making trans athletes the most important plank in the Democratic Party. They are either trans activists themselves....or Republican trolls.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.

Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.

We will all see how it goes.

Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.

You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.

Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.

Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.

I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.

Focus now

Who is causing this suffering?

Get them out of office

Contrary for Democrat hopes, dreams, and actions over the past 10 years, it's very hard to "get them out of office" by undemocratic means. We tried everything. Russiagate, double impeachment, censorship, lawsuits. We even arrested the guy and took his mugshot! We made him a felon! We found him liable for sexual assualt! But he's STILL more popular than we are. Mostly because we believe ourselves to be holy and we believe our policies to be morally right even if the electorate hates them. There's nothing we can do now to get him out of office except change our policies to be more in line with what voters want.

We're impatient. We don't want to wait two years for the midterms. We don't want to change any policies or admit any mistakes, because that's an ego blow we aren't psychologically prepared to take. So we keep screaming about "resisting" the will of the voters. We keep acting like it's 2017 and we have a chance to "get rid of" the guy who beat Hillary. It's embarrassing.

The most likely path forward is continued irrelevance for our party. Republicans are willing to change. They used to be even more pro-open-borders than we are! But they heard the people complaining, so they changed their policies. Not us. We won't change for the voters. We are all-knowing. And we're now the minority party, out of power, which is where we'll stay.

The more we keep focusing on undoing the will of the voters, the less likely we are to earn their future votes. We're the sour grapes party, the cheating party. We know we won't win any popularity contests, so we want to disqualify the popular kids from running.

Our entire governmental framework exists specifically because the Founders did not trust the masses. We are not a democracy but a representative republic with many checks intended to protect freedom and minorities against an overzealous, overheated majority.

Read the Bill of Rights, in its entirely, and then read it again. Read the Federalist papers. Read Jefferson’s letters. Read the early case law. Read about the clients Adams represented in particular.

We have means of changing our government. A king and his proclamations- that ain’t it even if 33% of an undereducated populace is rabidly cheering it on.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

What a strange post. I see some of this from other MAGA online and I wonder why people think this.

Neither Rs nor DS want to hurt people (except for Vought, who is something else). There are a lot of $s right now who are very worried but they are trying to trust in their leader.

We will all see how it goes.

Are you blind to all the posts from D voters saying they hope everyone who didn't vote for Kamala suffers? Cheering for a recession? We can't have a conversation if you're going to live in an alternate reality.

You are looking at this, of course, through your MAGA lens.

Dems have been taking the “high road” against Republicans for too long. In 2016, Mitch McConnell refused to consider Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court, but pushed through Kavanaugh in 2020. Trump weaponizes every department he has at his disposal to settle petty disputes (taking away security from his own former Cabinet Memebers, Black Lives Plaza, etc) and is lawless with his executive orders.

Democrats are tired of the high road. It’s not about wanting people to suffer - it’s about wanting people to get what they voted for. Whatever that may be. The Dems aren’t your mommies. Put on your big boy pants and accept the consequences of your actions.

I'm not MAGA. Just tired or hypocrisy and lies. Stop moving the goalposts. Democrats are in fact rooting for people to suffer, and they are doing so because they are angry they lost and think if people suffer, they'll realize dems were entitled to their votes after all.

Focus now

Who is causing this suffering?

Get them out of office

Yes Trump is causing it. And Dems are rooting for it. Neither is good. What would it take for you to get that through your skull? Neither party is helping us.

Republican policies benefit rich people, but their voters are too dumb to see it. Democrats are similarly too dumb to see that maybe the party that takes billions from the pharmaceutical industry isn't serious about reforming healthcare. Neither of these parties is serious about helping you.

You know who is serious? Progressives. Bernie is out there fighting for us. Trying to do SOMETHING. AOC is trying to do SOMETHING. If we want to fight this, we need new people who are serious about US, not donors.

With them having no power, this doesn't hurt you.

It lays bare who they are. Makes people less susceptible to the whole morally superior guilt trip.

And this helps them take care of their families how?

It tells them that maybe those folks also can't be trusted. Why aren't you getting this?

People's actions are more reliable. If it help your family, it is good. If it doesn't, vote differently

And your party lost. What does that tell you about what people think about how their family would fair or was fairing under Dem leadership?

I think they are being educated real-time about this.

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I asked my D senator to make sure they wear a "Resist" shirt that is visible when they vote yes.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point it's political suicide to stand up to Trump. The only Democrats who survive in elected office will be the ones who cooperate and help him with his agenda. Sad but true.

Absolutely wrong and tone deaf.

Tone deaf to dcurbanmoms, but right on with the national electorate. Approval ratings for Democrats have plunged during Trump's two months in office. Trump's ratings have slipped a little too, but nothing like what's happened to Democrats. We struggle to grok it here in DC, but "all the craziness" of Trump's first 60 days have HELPED Republicans relative to Democrats. The numbers don't lie.

Back in calmer times, Republicans and Democrats worked together. Think of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. But now Democrats have been "fighting" for 8 years, and the voters' response was to deliver Trump every single swing state and for every Demographic group to shift toward Republicans. The number of voters who want Democrats to just obstruct for the next four years is too small to deliver election victories to Democrats.

I understand the calculus that many Democratic office holders are using. They know that Trump hate is the most important motivation for the most active Democrats. And they are afraid of being primaried from the Left. BUT...they aren't going to be able to win general elections if they do nothing but obstruct. They won't be able to win back the flyover state folks and independents and soccer moms if they reject the message those voters just sent--that they want populist Republicanism right now, not establishment Democratic obstructionism.

Republicans for years having voted No on almost everything. Congress has the lowest approval rating and each year it continues to be lower. So Democrats should just vote No or be absent.

Stop with the propaganda that all these folk want populist Republicanism. It’s a lie. What most people want and desire is an ALTERNATIVE. Quite frankly I expect more people to become Independents.

That just means checked out at this point.

I expect people to vote one way or another based on their wallet, not worry so much about belonging to one party or another

The voters consistently report trusting Republicans more with the economy than they trust Democrats. We've gotten awfully excited about the stock market backing down 10% off its highs. We're hoping that an economic downturn will make people wish they had voted for Kamala Harris. I would argue that's an unlikely outcome. That's not really how human psychology works. And hope is not a strategy. What are we going to DO, other than loudly wish for the American people to suffer a recession? (which is obviously not a great look. they know we want power, but do we have to be SO obvious about wanting Americans to suffer for daring to oppose us?)

No we don’t want “power” you disingenuous fool. We want to protect our country and the citizens from a con man who will sell us all out.

Wishing for everyone who disagrees with you to suffer doesn't exactly sound like you want to "protect" the country. It sounds like you're mad you didn't get want you want and want to hurt people now in response, or at least you hope they get hurt.

Democrats try to claim the moral high ground on everything, but your true colors show every time you don't get what you want. You dint actually care about people. You wear a costume of caring about people as part of your strategy. But the mask slips when you're angry.

We get it.

You hate democrats, but if you really are a flyover state person, you need to know the national Rs are selling you out, lock stock and barrel.

I'm not saying you might not have good local R government. I live in a place like that. The local Rs are more moderate. They care for their constituents. But the national Republicans are only acting in the best interests of their very rich supporters right now. There are a lot of guardrails being removed ( let's be honest, placed there by Democrats) which used to protect the little guy, the average American.

If people wish for a recession it's so people can understand how harmful some of these new policies are and how Trump is dismantling the country so it's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people."

"People wish for a recession so people can understand how harmful Trump is." Ick. Everything has been about Trump every day for the past 10 years. People know him and the objections to him. And they still prefer him to Democrats, as evidenced by the election and by current approval ratings, which have plummetted for Democratic leaders even SINCE the election.

Democrats need better policies and better results. Wishing for the entire country to suffer "so people can understand" is gross. You've had many chances to make your case for the American people, and they didn't find it compelling. Letting in all those illegal immigrants was a big mistake, and voters kicked you out for doing it.

Now Democrats keep praying for stock market collapse, recession, no jobs for college graduates, etc., "so people can understand." It's sociopathic. Democrats sound like an evil mother wanting her children to be punished.

And unfortunately, this is such bad politics that Democrats will be punished AGAIN at the ballot box next time. The Republican attack ads write themselves. Lots of quotable quotes by Democrats out there "fighting" for tenure for bureaucrats and unlimited deficit spending, while wishing for private-sector taxpayers to suffer economicially, not just from all the wasted taxes, but from a hoped-for economic collapse.

We need to healthy parties, both with policies voters actually want.

But the Democrats refuse to listen to voter feedback. It's The Party's way or the highway. The peons WILL have men on their girls' sports team, they WILL have more third-world immigrants, they WILL pay for every pet government program, and if they don't like it, they should SUFFER!

If Democrats keep this up, there really WILL be no checks on Republican power, because the Democratic Party won't be relevant anymore. Get it together. Ask the voters what they want, and give it to them. No-one cares if a straight white politician wants to FEEL holy for bringing in sacred illegal third-worlders. They want leaders who deliver what the voters want.

You are of course correct. But the blue bubble DCUM Democrats who have made their political party into their personal identity will never be able to see the truth of what you wrote.

What DCUM Democrats fail to understand is that Trump voters have correctly deduced that neither party cares about them, and many Democrats have a sadistic desire to see them suffer. If you already believe the governing party is harming you and wants to harm you further, why would you ever vote to retain that party in power?

And those voters have been proven exactly correct by the many temper tantrums from Democrats who felt entitled to those votes, and who are now busily betraying their own supposed (and clearly non-existent) ethics by loudly talking about how happy they are that Trump voters are now being harmed.

Dems bend to corporations and Reps bend to oligarchs, Dems base is aware of this, Reps not so much. What Trump voters have failed to deduce is that they will suffer much more under the thumb of their own party, Dems are the lesser of 2 evils. Reps are gleeful Dems are losing jobs, again not realizing or ignoring the fact that their own are also losing jobs. Also not deducing that those Reps that currently have jobs, no matter in what sector, will soon also experience job cuts due to their party agenda and domino effect. In addition, cuts to benefits, healthcare, food access etc. The goggles are quite thick. Dems didn’t vote for suffering of voters on either side, Republicans did, knowingly or unknowingly.

Reps not reading P2025 is a major faux pas. Those that read it but didn’t believe it demonstrated inability to connect the dots. Reps are complaining now to their Dem colleagues about the actions of their party, failing to deduce this is pointless. Complain to your representatives instead.