Spouse Lets DD Ghost My Mother

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

Why is it bratty to not want to talk to someone? Why would you even want a forced conversation?

Normalize letting kids say no. Agency is important.

Normilize raising kind, polite kids who understand that grandparents love them and are important. FFS

PEOPLE WHO LOVE YOU DON'T FORCE YOU TO DO THINGS YOU DON'T NEED TO DO AND DON'T WANT!!!

Fsckabuncha this "kind, polite" mess. It's not kind to the kid. You can explain to her, you can talk with her and explain what it means to Grandma, but forcing an interaction is not kind or polite.

Who gives a shit!!!!!! I'm sure the kid already does plenty of things she doesn't love doing. Model kindness and caring for old people instead of being a self centered ass.

HAHAHAHAH... You mean, the way granny's modeling not being a self-centered ass? You mean the way dad is modeling not being a self-centered ass?

You need to GTFOH with that mess. The kid already does plenty of things she doesn't love doing, most of which are essential for her growth and development as a person (school, chores, eating vegetables...). Calling Granny every week doesn't meet that standard.

What the hell kind of modeling is "You'll do it by force because Grandma wants you too!"?

Where did OP even say that grandma is forcing the issue? OP has an issue with wife simply allowing their daughter to be a brat and skip the calls. DS participates and it sounds like the issue is between OP and his wife and not grandma being demanding. Or do you think that simply scheduling calls is too much of a demand and grandma should simply disappear.

Why is not wanting to engage her "being a brat". What is this use of "brat"? Simply saying no makes you "spoiled or ill-mannered"? Really? She's a child, not a dog. Damn...

Some of you are either the gran in this situation, or well on your way to boy-momming your way there. Gross.

Allowing your child to diss grandma and be disrespectful is bratty behavior in my book. I know millennials were told that they were the greatest thing ever and the world revolves around you specifically, but it's simply not so. We used to inherently know that it was noble to take care of old people. Now we discard them like trash and pat ourselves on the back.

Dramatic, much? Simply not wanting to call is a "diss" and "discard(ing) them like trash"?

You are a mess and a half. Call your granny about it.

I would, but she is dead. I had a great relationship with her when I was young. She was like my second mom. And my child knows that having a relationship with his grandparents is not optional. They are not perfect people, but they are all of the grandparents my children will ever have.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this your wife's fault and not yours?

Yes this is the strange part. Why doesn’t DH call grandma with his daughter? I don’t get it.

OP, you’re in the wrong for being upset at your wife. I think it’s okay to accommodate grandma, and to ask your DD to participate, but you all don’t need to be so uptight about it. If she misses a week here and there, it shouldn’t be a problem.

OP is the one who seems to be making it a problem, with his hypercontrolling behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

Why is it bratty to not want to talk to someone? Why would you even want a forced conversation?

Normalize letting kids say no. Agency is important.

Normilize raising kind, polite kids who understand that grandparents love them and are important. FFS

So saying "no" isn't kind or polite, and little girls shouldn't do it? Really? That's the message you want to send?

Welcome to rape culture. Where did you think that started?

Give me a break. The girl can talk to her grandmother for 5 minutes.

If she's not free to say no, she's not free to give meaningful consent.

You realize you sound completely insane when you compare a five min phone call with grandma to rape, right? RIGHT????? FFS

Where do you think that culture starts? You're thin in the intellect, but I think even you can get the idea here.

No means no. Let kids say no. This is a fcsking nothingburger, and OP needs to learn to choose his battles.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

We have NO IDEA what kind of MIL and grandma she has been for the last 20 years. Just because she's now 81 and old and lonely doesn't mean she was a good person before.

Correct. It's not stopping you though from conjecturing that she was awful. Why is that? Are you projecting? Trying to justify your own horrible behavior towards your in-laws and parents?

If wife has a problem with grandma, she can be a big girl about it and bring up the concerns. I hate passive aggressive antics.

How do you know she hasn't? OP is very scant on details. Your default is that there is NO REASON for wife to behave this way. My default is the opposite. Until we have more details, we simply don't know.

I'm assuming she hasn't because according to OP she is simply missing the calls and DS has no problem talking to grandma. So we do have some information that doesn't support that grandma was horrible. Your default is to vilify people with zero information about their wrongdoing? NICE!

We also have the information that DD DOESN'T WANT TO. Which you are conveniently ignoring.

I'm sure DD doesn't want to do a LOT of stuff which both parents have no issue making her do. Taking showers, going to school, eating right, exercising, going to bed on time. But THIS, this is where you draw the line. Grow up.

Actually my DD does all those willingly. Maybe a slight nudge at bedtime is needed. And she would not enjoy a weekly phone call with my MIL.

What a strange world where we only do things we enjoy? 5 minutes with grandma is too much?

What an idiotic argument. It's okay to say no to things that don't "spark joy". There's a whole show about it... It's not okay to put the social burden on young women, demanding that they prioritize other people's wants over their own.

And that's all this is: a want. Why does granny's want trump the kid's?

Yes, we know you got a participation trophy even though you sucked and that you were told you were the best and could do anything even though you can't. It shows.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

Why is it bratty to not want to talk to someone? Why would you even want a forced conversation?

Normalize letting kids say no. Agency is important.

Normilize raising kind, polite kids who understand that grandparents love them and are important. FFS

So saying "no" isn't kind or polite, and little girls shouldn't do it? Really? That's the message you want to send?

Welcome to rape culture. Where did you think that started?

Give me a break. The girl can talk to her grandmother for 5 minutes.

If she's not free to say no, she's not free to give meaningful consent.

You realize you sound completely insane when you compare a five min phone call with grandma to rape, right? RIGHT????? FFS

Where do you think that culture starts? You're thin in the intellect, but I think even you can get the idea here.

No means no. Let kids say no. This is a fcsking nothingburger, and OP needs to learn to choose his battles.

IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES NOT START with a 5 min phone call to grandma. GET REAL!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

We have NO IDEA what kind of MIL and grandma she has been for the last 20 years. Just because she's now 81 and old and lonely doesn't mean she was a good person before.

Correct. It's not stopping you though from conjecturing that she was awful. Why is that? Are you projecting? Trying to justify your own horrible behavior towards your in-laws and parents?

If wife has a problem with grandma, she can be a big girl about it and bring up the concerns. I hate passive aggressive antics.

How do you know she hasn't? OP is very scant on details. Your default is that there is NO REASON for wife to behave this way. My default is the opposite. Until we have more details, we simply don't know.

I'm assuming she hasn't because according to OP she is simply missing the calls and DS has no problem talking to grandma. So we do have some information that doesn't support that grandma was horrible. Your default is to vilify people with zero information about their wrongdoing? NICE!

We also have the information that DD DOESN'T WANT TO. Which you are conveniently ignoring.

I'm sure DD doesn't want to do a LOT of stuff which both parents have no issue making her do. Taking showers, going to school, eating right, exercising, going to bed on time. But THIS, this is where you draw the line. Grow up.

Are you really so intellectually stunted that you don't see the common denominator in all the things you listed? All of those "parents will make you do these things" tasks are about DDs health and well-being. You know what else is about DD's health and well-being? Boundaries.

Sounds like you need to take your own advice and grow some brain matter, dearie.

Are you really so stunted that you don't understand that raising a respectful, caring child who respects her grandma is super beneficial to DDs wellbeing? If boundaries need to be drawn due to some kind of abuse, by all means do that. But there is zero evidence of that.

I suggest that OP take charge of this and make his DD talk to grandma since his wife is being a brat as are you.

"You can only say no if you can prove abuse" "If you don't always comply with someone else's wishes, you're not respectful or caring." "You can only draw the boundaries that meet everyone else's needs/wants first."

Forced compliance isn't a relationship. It's a hostage situation.

Uhm, you make no sense whatsoever. Please show me on this keyboard where granma hurt you, you lunatic.

I had great relationships with all my grandparents, and was lucky enough to know my great gran who lived to be 102. All have now passed. I'd be delighted to be able to call any of them again, and I still wouldn't force my kids to.

I said what I said: Forced compliance isn't a relationship. It's a hostage situation. "Do it or I'll punish you" isn't a relationship, it's brute force.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand basic consent as it applies to relationships. Please don't have any; you're a liability.

I'm sorry you're so damaged that you compare a 5 min call with a grandparent to rape. I said, what I said. You're a lunatic who should not be raising children.

I'm sorry you're so triggered by the word "consent" that you make these wackadoodle connections I never made...

But your willingness to lash out at me personally reveals that you're an unstable person who can't have a simple discussion without making personal attacks at strangers, so thank you for that information. I'll put your commentary in the bin where it belongs.

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Why you care more about what mommy wants than your own wife and daughter?? Time to cut the apron strings manchild!

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

We have NO IDEA what kind of MIL and grandma she has been for the last 20 years. Just because she's now 81 and old and lonely doesn't mean she was a good person before.

Correct. It's not stopping you though from conjecturing that she was awful. Why is that? Are you projecting? Trying to justify your own horrible behavior towards your in-laws and parents?

If wife has a problem with grandma, she can be a big girl about it and bring up the concerns. I hate passive aggressive antics.

How do you know she hasn't? OP is very scant on details. Your default is that there is NO REASON for wife to behave this way. My default is the opposite. Until we have more details, we simply don't know.

I'm assuming she hasn't because according to OP she is simply missing the calls and DS has no problem talking to grandma. So we do have some information that doesn't support that grandma was horrible. Your default is to vilify people with zero information about their wrongdoing? NICE!

We also have the information that DD DOESN'T WANT TO. Which you are conveniently ignoring.

I'm sure DD doesn't want to do a LOT of stuff which both parents have no issue making her do. Taking showers, going to school, eating right, exercising, going to bed on time. But THIS, this is where you draw the line. Grow up.

Actually my DD does all those willingly. Maybe a slight nudge at bedtime is needed. And she would not enjoy a weekly phone call with my MIL.

What a strange world where we only do things we enjoy? 5 minutes with grandma is too much?

What an idiotic argument. It's okay to say no to things that don't "spark joy". There's a whole show about it... It's not okay to put the social burden on young women, demanding that they prioritize other people's wants over their own.

And that's all this is: a want. Why does granny's want trump the kid's?

Yes, we know you got a participation trophy even though you sucked and that you were told you were the best and could do anything even though you can't. It shows.

Imagine thinking this was a "sick burn" instead of the huge self-own it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

Why is it bratty to not want to talk to someone? Why would you even want a forced conversation?

Normalize letting kids say no. Agency is important.

Normilize raising kind, polite kids who understand that grandparents love them and are important. FFS

So saying "no" isn't kind or polite, and little girls shouldn't do it? Really? That's the message you want to send?

Welcome to rape culture. Where did you think that started?

Give me a break. The girl can talk to her grandmother for 5 minutes.

If she's not free to say no, she's not free to give meaningful consent.

You realize you sound completely insane when you compare a five min phone call with grandma to rape, right? RIGHT????? FFS

Where do you think that culture starts? You're thin in the intellect, but I think even you can get the idea here.

No means no. Let kids say no. This is a fcsking nothingburger, and OP needs to learn to choose his battles.

IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES NOT START with a 5 min phone call to grandma. GET REAL!!!!!

Forced communication isn't a consensual relationship.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

We have NO IDEA what kind of MIL and grandma she has been for the last 20 years. Just because she's now 81 and old and lonely doesn't mean she was a good person before.

Correct. It's not stopping you though from conjecturing that she was awful. Why is that? Are you projecting? Trying to justify your own horrible behavior towards your in-laws and parents?

If wife has a problem with grandma, she can be a big girl about it and bring up the concerns. I hate passive aggressive antics.

How do you know she hasn't? OP is very scant on details. Your default is that there is NO REASON for wife to behave this way. My default is the opposite. Until we have more details, we simply don't know.

I'm assuming she hasn't because according to OP she is simply missing the calls and DS has no problem talking to grandma. So we do have some information that doesn't support that grandma was horrible. Your default is to vilify people with zero information about their wrongdoing? NICE!

We also have the information that DD DOESN'T WANT TO. Which you are conveniently ignoring.

This. Maybe bored grandma can send a card, or try to engage the kid some other way, instead of being a demanding old hag.

Wow, just wow. No wonder we have Trump in office. We've lost all sense of decency.

We've "lost all sense of decency" because every single member of the family doesn't call granny every week?

You're unhinged.

No, please do learn to read. We've lost decency because we default to calling caring grandparents "demanding old hags" for wanting to maintain a relationship with their grandchildren.

+ million.

I’m also convinced that many of the people posting have severe social gaps. You are also teaching your child how to keep a 5 minute polite conversation going, which she will absolutely need in life.

Ah, yes, more hot air and bullshit. JUST what we need. Not everyone is entitled to a conversation. Not all conversations are worth having.

I’m convinced people like this don’t leave their homes and don’t have good professional or social relationship. No way on earth you can succeed in a workplace with this attitude.

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Anonymous wrote:Why you care more about what mommy wants than your own wife and daughter?? Time to cut the apron strings manchild!

Winner winner, chicken dinner!

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

We have NO IDEA what kind of MIL and grandma she has been for the last 20 years. Just because she's now 81 and old and lonely doesn't mean she was a good person before.

Correct. It's not stopping you though from conjecturing that she was awful. Why is that? Are you projecting? Trying to justify your own horrible behavior towards your in-laws and parents?

If wife has a problem with grandma, she can be a big girl about it and bring up the concerns. I hate passive aggressive antics.

How do you know she hasn't? OP is very scant on details. Your default is that there is NO REASON for wife to behave this way. My default is the opposite. Until we have more details, we simply don't know.

I'm assuming she hasn't because according to OP she is simply missing the calls and DS has no problem talking to grandma. So we do have some information that doesn't support that grandma was horrible. Your default is to vilify people with zero information about their wrongdoing? NICE!

We also have the information that DD DOESN'T WANT TO. Which you are conveniently ignoring.

I'm sure DD doesn't want to do a LOT of stuff which both parents have no issue making her do. Taking showers, going to school, eating right, exercising, going to bed on time. But THIS, this is where you draw the line. Grow up.

Actually my DD does all those willingly. Maybe a slight nudge at bedtime is needed. And she would not enjoy a weekly phone call with my MIL.

What a strange world where we only do things we enjoy? 5 minutes with grandma is too much?

What an idiotic argument. It's okay to say no to things that don't "spark joy". There's a whole show about it... It's not okay to put the social burden on young women, demanding that they prioritize other people's wants over their own.

And that's all this is: a want. Why does granny's want trump the kid's?

Another one who must not leave her house.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

Why is it bratty to not want to talk to someone? Why would you even want a forced conversation?

Normalize letting kids say no. Agency is important.

Normilize raising kind, polite kids who understand that grandparents love them and are important. FFS

So saying "no" isn't kind or polite, and little girls shouldn't do it? Really? That's the message you want to send?

Welcome to rape culture. Where did you think that started?

Give me a break. The girl can talk to her grandmother for 5 minutes.

If she's not free to say no, she's not free to give meaningful consent.

You realize you sound completely insane when you compare a five min phone call with grandma to rape, right? RIGHT????? FFS

Consent transfers to far more than just rape. Stop trying to villify consent in children. Try are humans and people too, not just your okay thing to do with as you wish.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

We have NO IDEA what kind of MIL and grandma she has been for the last 20 years. Just because she's now 81 and old and lonely doesn't mean she was a good person before.

Correct. It's not stopping you though from conjecturing that she was awful. Why is that? Are you projecting? Trying to justify your own horrible behavior towards your in-laws and parents?

If wife has a problem with grandma, she can be a big girl about it and bring up the concerns. I hate passive aggressive antics.

How do you know she hasn't? OP is very scant on details. Your default is that there is NO REASON for wife to behave this way. My default is the opposite. Until we have more details, we simply don't know.

I'm assuming she hasn't because according to OP she is simply missing the calls and DS has no problem talking to grandma. So we do have some information that doesn't support that grandma was horrible. Your default is to vilify people with zero information about their wrongdoing? NICE!

We also have the information that DD DOESN'T WANT TO. Which you are conveniently ignoring.

This. Maybe bored grandma can send a card, or try to engage the kid some other way, instead of being a demanding old hag.

Wow, just wow. No wonder we have Trump in office. We've lost all sense of decency.

We've "lost all sense of decency" because every single member of the family doesn't call granny every week?

You're unhinged.

No, please do learn to read. We've lost decency because we default to calling caring grandparents "demanding old hags" for wanting to maintain a relationship with their grandchildren.

+ million.

I’m also convinced that many of the people posting have severe social gaps. You are also teaching your child how to keep a 5 minute polite conversation going, which she will absolutely need in life.

Ah, yes, more hot air and bullshit. JUST what we need. Not everyone is entitled to a conversation. Not all conversations are worth having.

I’m convinced people like this don’t leave their homes and don’t have good professional or social relationship. No way on earth you can succeed in a workplace with this attitude.

Convinced of all of *gestures vaguely* this because of a comment on an anon board? That's...

Yeah, I'm just going to let some of y'all tell on yourselves today. If thinking you know the lives of people you've never met is gonna help you feel better about a thread about some dude's MIL that got you acting clownish, go on ahead, sweetie. You need it way more than I need to correct your dumb ass.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like this is all about your mother's needs and not the needs of your child.

How long have you prioritized your mother's needs and desires over those of your own family?

Someday you will be sitting in assisted living miserably wondering why your kids and grandkids never visit or call you. Think about this post then. And ring for the caregiver to change your Depends, but as usual she takes her time about showing up.

Actually, parents and grandparents who take the time to foster strong, close, reciprocal relationships don't have this problem. It's the ones who were selfish and checked out who do. Then they wake up one day in old age and can't figure out why no one wants to visit them.

Door swings both ways. Sounds like grandma is trying very hard and DD is being a brat fully supported by her mom.

We have NO IDEA what kind of MIL and grandma she has been for the last 20 years. Just because she's now 81 and old and lonely doesn't mean she was a good person before.

Correct. It's not stopping you though from conjecturing that she was awful. Why is that? Are you projecting? Trying to justify your own horrible behavior towards your in-laws and parents?

If wife has a problem with grandma, she can be a big girl about it and bring up the concerns. I hate passive aggressive antics.

How do you know she hasn't? OP is very scant on details. Your default is that there is NO REASON for wife to behave this way. My default is the opposite. Until we have more details, we simply don't know.

I'm assuming she hasn't because according to OP she is simply missing the calls and DS has no problem talking to grandma. So we do have some information that doesn't support that grandma was horrible. Your default is to vilify people with zero information about their wrongdoing? NICE!

We also have the information that DD DOESN'T WANT TO. Which you are conveniently ignoring.

I'm sure DD doesn't want to do a LOT of stuff which both parents have no issue making her do. Taking showers, going to school, eating right, exercising, going to bed on time. But THIS, this is where you draw the line. Grow up.

Actually my DD does all those willingly. Maybe a slight nudge at bedtime is needed. And she would not enjoy a weekly phone call with my MIL.

What a strange world where we only do things we enjoy? 5 minutes with grandma is too much?

What an idiotic argument. It's okay to say no to things that don't "spark joy". There's a whole show about it... It's not okay to put the social burden on young women, demanding that they prioritize other people's wants over their own.

And that's all this is: a want. Why does granny's want trump the kid's?

Another one who must not leave her house.

So people who believe kids should be able to say "no"... don't leave their houses? That's your argument? That's it?

Um... cool? You don't sound smart, stable, or sane, but... cool. For you.

Best of luck to your children.