Yield Protection?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.

WL at Villanova and Tufts.

My kid got into Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomono and WL and weightlisted at Dartmouth. Rejected from Brown.

So, it's very hard to know--depends on so many factors.

Sorry, as a Tufts grad, I'll tell you that Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomona are less selective than either Dartmouth or Brown. That's not yield protection. Evidence of yield protection would be if kid were accepted at Dartmouth and Brown and waitlisted at Tufts.

From our school, Pomona and Georgetown are as selective as Dartmouth. In any event, I was trying to make the point that there is randomness/too many factors at play to look at where a particular kid gets in and decide that a school is practicing yoeld protection. Especially when you don’t know who else from the same high school applied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.

WL at Villanova and Tufts.

That doesn’t scream yield protection. Just very different competitive schools

I do not think that you understand the concept of yield protection as the above applicant results are clear evidence of yield protection.

No. They are evidence that the PPs kid did not fit the class that Villanova and Tufts were trying to build that year.

The admissions process is opaque and different at every school, and that’s why stupid people like to make up explanations like “yield protection” for the outcome.

Maybe you should take a breath and realize that “yield protection” is just another way of saying “opaque and apparently irrational.”

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid got into Berkeley and UCLA with Regents scholarships, as well as three schools out of HYPSM. However, he was only admitted to UCI as a regular admit, even not into the honors program, he was a valedictorian and he was rejected by USC. Meanwhile, students ranked much lower, in the 20-30% percentile range, were admitted into UCI’s honors program.

A friend’s kid one year later who also got Regents at Berkeley and UCLA and was admitted to two HYPSM schools, received a Spring Admit option from USC.( no NMSF scholarship at all ). both SAT score were 1600 even.

UCs have been test blind for a few years now.

USC is now cutting back on the NM scholarships, reduced to 20k for next fall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

My kid got into Pomona, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Georgetown and Brown.

WL at Villanova and Tufts.

My kid got into Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomono and WL and weightlisted at Dartmouth. Rejected from Brown.

So, it's very hard to know--depends on so many factors.

Sorry, as a Tufts grad, I'll tell you that Tufts, Georgetown, and Pomona are less selective than either Dartmouth or Brown. That's not yield protection. Evidence of yield protection would be if kid were accepted at Dartmouth and Brown and waitlisted at Tufts.

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Georgetown EA is more selective than either Brown or Dartmouth ED. Just saying…

Georgetown holds legacy weight much, much greater than B or D. I don't know a single legacy kid that did not get in EA at GU going back years at our HS, but I know so many legacy kids that got rejected outright ED at Brown and Dartmouth. GU also counts grad school and law school into their legacy benefits, local faculty get weight too. It is difficult in the sense that connections matter a lot in their EA round.

I'm a Georgetown alum, and from what I hear from my classmates, the legacy preference is there but the kid still needs to meet the 50% mark for grades and scores to be considered. Georgetown doesn't seem to bend score or GPA requirements for legacies (though they certainly do for big donors). That is not to say legacy isn't an advantage. Non-legacies with 50% scores and GPA are much more likely to be deferred.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

This. But the folks that need a safety blanket will never understand.

[Anonymous]

Northeastern just sent an update notifying DS he can change his application to ED now that he’s received his early FA estimate. He’s sticking to RD.

[Anonymous]

^^ sticking to EA instead of switching to ED

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern just sent an update notifying DS he can change his application to ED now that he’s received his early FA estimate. He’s sticking to RD.

Expect a WL then

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no convincing proof that any school does yield protection but DCUM parents cling to this “explanation” for their kid getting rejected.

Well, if you look in SCOIR scattergrams for some colleges (ie U Miami) where the top quadrant kids are all deferred/waitlisted and those with lower stats are accepted, it feels a lot like yield protection.

Scattergrams based on two very limited criteria (GPA and SAT/ACT) are not showing you the whole picture of the applicant and you can't draw conclusions about "yield protection" from them. You don't know what those "lower stats" kids had that the "higher stats" kids didn't have that allowed the former to get accepted - URM, athlete, legacy. musician, could be a lot of things the college wanted that wasn't just "raw stats" based.

Nope--for our HS (small enough to now know who each point represents), U Miami rejected the kids now at top 25's and accepted wealthy kids with much lower stats (not athletes, legacy, musicians, but very wealthy)--you can see this trend year over year. The trouble with applying to yield protection schools from expensive private schools is that they know you could afford to ED if it was truly your top choice. Especially for the ED2 round. Not sure why you are arguing a concept college counselors will agree upon--yield protection is definitely a thing--especially demonstrated by the schools taking a large percentage of kids via ED (Tulane is notorious for this).

It is. The other thing is, the counselors at our school know some AOs very well. They know which of their kids are using certain schools as safeties. They have met with the kids and families a bunch of times prior to applying and throughout the process. Sally may already know she's going to Georgetown first, then BC and a then Villanova in that order. Jimmy is ND or bust, Villanova and then, ,, you get the point. They are going to work to get each kid into the school of their choice and best fit. It's a 2-way street. They know each year relative numbers of admits at these schools and they know which kids are legacy, athletes and likely to get in, etc. So, yes, I can see why a kid might be WL somewhere because they know he/she isn't likely to yield.

This also sounds super fair and maybe the subject of a further Varsity Blues type documentary.

The real issue with yield protection is that you have the high stats kids not winning the lottery at the “elite” schools and then also getting locked out of next tier down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Northeastern just sent an update notifying DS he can change his application to ED now that he’s received his early FA estimate. He’s sticking to RD.

Expect a WL then

Yep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Northeastern just sent an update notifying DS he can change his application to ED now that he’s received his early FA estimate. He’s sticking to RD.

Expect a WL then

Yep.

I’ll let you know next month!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Northeastern just sent an update notifying DS he can change his application to ED now that he’s received his early FA estimate. He’s sticking to RD.

Expect a WL then

Yep.

I’ll let you know next month!

Can't wait!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.