Yield Protection?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no convincing proof that any school does yield protection but DCUM parents cling to this “explanation” for their kid getting rejected.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In a few weeks, a whole lot of people here will claim that every school that denied their kid was doing it.

Yep. Happens every year, like clockwork. Some parents (and their kids) truly believe they're entitled to admission to pretty much any school. When it doesn't happen, they're shocked and claim "yield protection." Never fails.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My cousin got into Duke and Bowdoin and rejected by Elon

Elon is very upfront about their use of demonstrated interest. If you never interacted with them, they are going to assume you're using them as a safety.

What happens is that the high stats kids assume they are too good for a school like Elon and will certainly get in. Unfortunately, no one is entitled to admission. Why should a school raise their admission percentage and Lower their yield for a kid who. never even bothered to visit the website? No one is entitled to a spot and schools are well within their rights to admit kids they think will accept. If a kid like the one above really wanted Elon, they could reach out to admissions and would likely be admitted.

+1
There's a lot wrong with college admissions, but I can't say I blame schools for this. It's common sense. And plenty of students throw out apps without even thinking about it, just certain they'll get into all their "safety schools."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

X10000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid got into Berkeley and UCLA with Regents scholarships, as well as three schools out of HYPSM. However, he was only admitted to UCI as a regular admit, even not into the honors program, he was a valedictorian and he was rejected by USC. Meanwhile, students ranked much lower, in the 20-30% percentile range, were admitted into UCI’s honors program.

A friend’s kid one year later who also got Regents at Berkeley and UCLA and was admitted to two HYPSM schools, received a Spring Admit option from USC.( no NMSF scholarship at all ). both SAT score were 1600 even.

UCs have been test blind for a few years now.

USC is now cutting back on the NM scholarships, reduced to 20k for next fall.

Hey not this year. 4 years ago and 3 years ago. so There were NM scholarhips at that time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

THIS ^^. Some parents have really convinced themselves that their child is the most special and deserving of all.

[Anonymous]

When is the whole "enrollment cliff" supposed to happen? Aren't admissions going to get easier in the next few years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When is the whole "enrollment cliff" supposed to happen? Aren't admissions going to get easier in the next few years?

Yes, so Harvard’s acceptance rate will go from 5% to 6%.

That’s a joke.

The enrollment cliff is already happening. It’s won’t affect big name schools. It will mean small schools will get more aggressive with marketing and yield. It will mean some small schools close. We are already seeing that.

[Anonymous]

Every school especially the popular ones needs yield management.
Otherwise, they end up over-enrollment or under-enrollment.
Common sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any school that rejected a kid. Yield protection is a coping mechanism used by many on here when kids get rejected.

I disagree. If two ivies accept and a top 75 rejects, it's not a copying mechanism. Yield protection is real.

If it’s a consistent pattern, maybe. But it’s also possible that the student did something in the application to the T75 school to warrant the rejection. There are a lot of kids now applying to 25 or more schools and it’s hard not to make mistakes/get sloppy with the essays.

Such a perfectly impervious theory. Didn’t get in? You should have applied to more schools. Still didn’t get in? You applied to too many schools. No matter what happens, it’s always the kid’s fault.

Nope, not blaming the kids. But there are simply way, way more qualified students than their are slots at the "top" schools. The bottom line is that kids need to understand that nothing is guaranteed, that they are not entitled to get into any one of these schools (regardless of their metrics), and that there are other kids who are just as deserving as they are. Moreover, as soon as everyone realizes that there are super-smart, highly-accomplished kids at literally hundreds of colleges--kids just as amazing as their own (gasp!)--everyone will be better off.

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon. You wind up with high stats kids who don’t get into top schools because of random chance, and then also can’t get in to lower-tier schools because those schools assume the kids will get into a more impressive school OR because the lower-tier school filled up with less impressive kids in the ED round. The high stats wind up being an albatross that prevent strong students from getting into the kind of small or mid-size, four year private residential college they wanted. This is why people with 1600s debate applying TO to those mid-tier schools. The schools’ behavior shows them to be so opposed to academic achievement that students think they might have to hide it. And it makes me sad and angry to see educational institutions treat educational achievement as a strike against anyone.

Purported "high stats" kids use lower-tier schools as safeties and have no intention of matriculating there if accepted. It goes both ways.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, but my issue with yield protection isn’t the top schools. I get that they’re too small for their avowed purpose. It’s the lower-tier schools like Elon.

If you think yield protection is a thing, it’s not lower tier schools that will do it. Elon with 74% acceptance rate (lmao) won’t have its “brand” harmed if its yield falls. The yield protection schools will be the second tier schools that applicants use as their backup for their first choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When is the whole "enrollment cliff" supposed to happen? Aren't admissions going to get easier in the next few years?

Yes, so Harvard’s acceptance rate will go from 5% to 6%.

That’s a joke.

The enrollment cliff is already happening. It’s won’t affect big name schools. It will mean small schools will get more aggressive with marketing and yield. It will mean some small schools close. We are already seeing that.

How does that work? The small schools will send out more mailers, hit the road etc. but if kids don't show DI, they defer/waitlust/reject?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In a few weeks, a whole lot of people here will claim that every school that denied their kid was doing it.

Yep. Happens every year, like clockwork. Some parents (and their kids) truly believe they're entitled to admission to pretty much any school. When it doesn't happen, they're shocked and claim "yield protection." Never fails.

This might be true but yield management is real. If yield management is not a thing, colleges would not be paying so much money to consultants to increase their yields. The main reason demonstrated interest exists is for yield management.