Bike Lanes blamed for Hit and Run Death

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The road is too narrow in between the curbs. Neighbors who live next to the intersection say multiple cars hit the curb each day, and at least one per day loses control.

The camera guy from the tv news crew actually got video of it happening while they were there. The driver in the red car in the tV story wasn’t even speeding.


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/northeast-dc-neighbors-say-deadly-christmas-eve-hit-and-run-is-part-of-a-bigger-problem-ronnie-clark/65-70fde42d-8bbd-4133-862e-698ed3259883


There’s clearly something at fault with the road design here, because there shouldn’t be a crash every day in the same spot. Something is definitely wrong with this part of roadway.

If people who live with the intersection every day are telling you there's a big problem here, maybe we should listen?

DDOT does some pretty crazy things in the name of safety, things that indisputably make streets less safe.

It seems pretty clear that the intentional road narrowing - which is DDOT's go to move - caused this. But rather than reflect upon how badly they've screwed things up the hyperventilating safety patrol is trying to crisis management this.

You are stone cold crazy.

There have been 52 fatal road accidents as of December 27, already matching the 2023 record total. Were the other 51 people also killed as a result of “intentional road narrowing”?

Odds are that you are the very same poster who tries to claim that traffic fatalities are so rare we shouldn’t worry about them.

I honestly do not care if people damage their cars because they can’t slow down enough to navigate a curb extension. I also have absolutely no doubt that road fatalities in DC would be much higher without this infrastructure.

Do tell!

Here's the number of deaths each year in DC caused by speeding drivers (per the police). Please point out when the many, many, many traffic calming measures the city has implemented started reducing traffic deaths.

2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 9
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11
2012: 5
2011: 15
2010: 8

You don’t understand the difference between correlation and causation, do you?

And you are knowingly telling a lie when you claim that these numbers represent the number of people killed by speeding drivers.

Fatal road accidents almost always have multiple causes and in an urban environment with low speed limits, speeding is almost always a factor. The numbers you are quoting do not represent the number of people killed in accidents in which speeding was a contributing factor.

I’ve read MPD investigations of fatal accidents which made no attempt to determine the speed of the vehicle at the point of impact. So even a list of fatal accidents where speeding was deemed to be a contributing factor could still be an underestimate of the number of people who were actually killed in accidents where one or more parties were speeding.

The indisputable bottom line is that if you want fewer fatal crashes, you need more drivers to obey the speed limit and to drive at speeds appropriate to the road conditions. If you want more people to die, then feel free to go ahead and tell drivers that it’s perfectly fine to speed.

It pains me to write it, but you are a shining example of how increased access to information has left society worse off. You have scraped a statistic about something you don’t understand and are willfully misrepresenting facts in furtherance of a petty obsession to alter public policy in a manner that will further endanger everyone who uses DC streets. I can think of few thinks as pitiful and reprehensible that I’ve read on this site.

In the interests of the general public, I earnestly request that you refrain from writing or saying anything further about road safety ever again.

You're the only person in Washington D.C. who is *pissed* that so few people are killed by speeding drivers.

Also, please don't misrepresent these numbers. They're the official government numbers and the category is "predominant cause of traffic fatality."

You're the only person in Washington D.C. who is *pissed* that so few people are killed by speeding drivers.

You are either a liar or an idiot.

Before you claimed that the numbers represented the “deaths each year in DC caused by speeding drivers”. No you claim that they are they represent the “predominant cause of traffic fatality”. You have the gall to accuse the PP - in the very same paragraph no less - of misrepresentation.

Many of us are working very hard to reduce fatalities and other accidents on DC roads. What you are doing is in direct opposition to that goal.

DP

I’m reporting your posts and requesting that you be banned from this forum for your constant insults to other people on this thread.

No one else here calls other posters names as you’ve been doing. The rest of us are having a civil discussion and you cannot seem to participate without insulting others.

You need to be taught a lesson.

have to tell everyone that you’re reporting them.

Also, it’s no some much an insult as a commentary on what is going on here.

This poster (you?) has posted the same numbers hundreds of times on this forum. That poster either doesn’t understand the distinction between a predominant cause and a contributing factor (in which case, yes, they lack basic intelligence) or they are being intentionally misleading (in which case they are a liar).

But the fact that you are choosing to report these posts and not the post which accuses everyone on a bike of being a law-flouting jackass is a crystal clear tell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The road is too narrow in between the curbs. Neighbors who live next to the intersection say multiple cars hit the curb each day, and at least one per day loses control.

The camera guy from the tv news crew actually got video of it happening while they were there. The driver in the red car in the tV story wasn’t even speeding.


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/northeast-dc-neighbors-say-deadly-christmas-eve-hit-and-run-is-part-of-a-bigger-problem-ronnie-clark/65-70fde42d-8bbd-4133-862e-698ed3259883


There’s clearly something at fault with the road design here, because there shouldn’t be a crash every day in the same spot. Something is definitely wrong with this part of roadway.

If people who live with the intersection every day are telling you there's a big problem here, maybe we should listen?

DDOT does some pretty crazy things in the name of safety, things that indisputably make streets less safe.

It seems pretty clear that the intentional road narrowing - which is DDOT's go to move - caused this. But rather than reflect upon how badly they've screwed things up the hyperventilating safety patrol is trying to crisis management this.

You are stone cold crazy.

There have been 52 fatal road accidents as of December 27, already matching the 2023 record total. Were the other 51 people also killed as a result of “intentional road narrowing”?

Odds are that you are the very same poster who tries to claim that traffic fatalities are so rare we shouldn’t worry about them.

I honestly do not care if people damage their cars because they can’t slow down enough to navigate a curb extension. I also have absolutely no doubt that road fatalities in DC would be much higher without this infrastructure.

Do tell!

Here's the number of deaths each year in DC caused by speeding drivers (per the police). Please point out when the many, many, many traffic calming measures the city has implemented started reducing traffic deaths.

2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 9
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11
2012: 5
2011: 15
2010: 8

You don’t understand the difference between correlation and causation, do you?

And you are knowingly telling a lie when you claim that these numbers represent the number of people killed by speeding drivers.

Fatal road accidents almost always have multiple causes and in an urban environment with low speed limits, speeding is almost always a factor. The numbers you are quoting do not represent the number of people killed in accidents in which speeding was a contributing factor.

I’ve read MPD investigations of fatal accidents which made no attempt to determine the speed of the vehicle at the point of impact. So even a list of fatal accidents where speeding was deemed to be a contributing factor could still be an underestimate of the number of people who were actually killed in accidents where one or more parties were speeding.

The indisputable bottom line is that if you want fewer fatal crashes, you need more drivers to obey the speed limit and to drive at speeds appropriate to the road conditions. If you want more people to die, then feel free to go ahead and tell drivers that it’s perfectly fine to speed.

It pains me to write it, but you are a shining example of how increased access to information has left society worse off. You have scraped a statistic about something you don’t understand and are willfully misrepresenting facts in furtherance of a petty obsession to alter public policy in a manner that will further endanger everyone who uses DC streets. I can think of few thinks as pitiful and reprehensible that I’ve read on this site.

In the interests of the general public, I earnestly request that you refrain from writing or saying anything further about road safety ever again.

You're the only person in Washington D.C. who is *pissed* that so few people are killed by speeding drivers.

Also, please don't misrepresent these numbers. They're the official government numbers and the category is "predominant cause of traffic fatality."

You're the only person in Washington D.C. who is *pissed* that so few people are killed by speeding drivers.

You are either a liar or an idiot.

Before you claimed that the numbers represented the “deaths each year in DC caused by speeding drivers”. No you claim that they are they represent the “predominant cause of traffic fatality”. You have the gall to accuse the PP - in the very same paragraph no less - of misrepresentation.

Many of us are working very hard to reduce fatalities and other accidents on DC roads. What you are doing is in direct opposition to that goal.

DP

I’m reporting your posts and requesting that you be banned from this forum for your constant insults to other people on this thread.

No one else here calls other posters names as you’ve been doing. The rest of us are having a civil discussion and you cannot seem to participate without insulting others.

You need to be taught a lesson.

You don’t need to tell everyone that you’re making a report. You can just go ahead and make the report.

Also if there is a particular lesson you’d like to share, please feel free to let us know what it is.

[Anonymous]

Imagine being so sensitive about bikes that you have to not only report someone for hurting your feels on an anonymous Internet forum, but announce it to the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The road is too narrow in between the curbs. Neighbors who live next to the intersection say multiple cars hit the curb each day, and at least one per day loses control.

The camera guy from the tv news crew actually got video of it happening while they were there. The driver in the red car in the tV story wasn’t even speeding.


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/northeast-dc-neighbors-say-deadly-christmas-eve-hit-and-run-is-part-of-a-bigger-problem-ronnie-clark/65-70fde42d-8bbd-4133-862e-698ed3259883


There’s clearly something at fault with the road design here, because there shouldn’t be a crash every day in the same spot. Something is definitely wrong with this part of roadway.

If people who live with the intersection every day are telling you there's a big problem here, maybe we should listen?

DDOT does some pretty crazy things in the name of safety, things that indisputably make streets less safe.

It seems pretty clear that the intentional road narrowing - which is DDOT's go to move - caused this. But rather than reflect upon how badly they've screwed things up the hyperventilating safety patrol is trying to crisis management this.

You are stone cold crazy.

There have been 52 fatal road accidents as of December 27, already matching the 2023 record total. Were the other 51 people also killed as a result of “intentional road narrowing”?

Odds are that you are the very same poster who tries to claim that traffic fatalities are so rare we shouldn’t worry about them.

I honestly do not care if people damage their cars because they can’t slow down enough to navigate a curb extension. I also have absolutely no doubt that road fatalities in DC would be much higher without this infrastructure.

Do tell!

Here's the number of deaths each year in DC caused by speeding drivers (per the police). Please point out when the many, many, many traffic calming measures the city has implemented started reducing traffic deaths.

2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 9
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11
2012: 5
2011: 15
2010: 8

It's a trick question. Increasing congestion ("traffic calming") has accomplished nothing except make people sit in traffic longer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine being so sensitive about bikes that you have to not only report someone for hurting your feels on an anonymous Internet forum, but announce it to the world.

Imagine being the ONLY participant in a discussion thread that constantly calls people names and insults others in nearly every post they are quoting. Imagine not having the self control to have civil disagreement.

You need help from a qualified psychiatric professional capable of treating anger management disorders. Because you are dangerous and you WILL harm someone one day because of your absence of self control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine being so sensitive about bikes that you have to not only report someone for hurting your feels on an anonymous Internet forum, but announce it to the world.

Imagine being the ONLY participant in a discussion thread that constantly calls people names and insults others in nearly every post they are quoting. Imagine not having the self control to have civil disagreement.

You need help from a qualified psychiatric professional capable of treating anger management disorders. Because you are dangerous and you WILL harm someone one day because of your absence of self control.

get help

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine being so sensitive about bikes that you have to not only report someone for hurting your feels on an anonymous Internet forum, but announce it to the world.

Imagine being the ONLY participant in a discussion thread that constantly calls people names and insults others in nearly every post they are quoting. Imagine not having the self control to have civil disagreement.

You need help from a qualified psychiatric professional capable of treating anger management disorders. Because you are dangerous and you WILL harm someone one day because of your absence of self control.

Tyler the creator said it best. Just close your eyes and walk away!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine being so sensitive about bikes that you have to not only report someone for hurting your feels on an anonymous Internet forum, but announce it to the world.

Imagine being the ONLY participant in a discussion thread that constantly calls people names and insults others in nearly every post they are quoting. Imagine not having the self control to have civil disagreement.

You need help from a qualified psychiatric professional capable of treating anger management disorders. Because you are dangerous and you WILL harm someone one day because of your absence of self control.

get help

DP you’re a F’ing tool. Your new year resolution should be not being a tool

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine being so sensitive about bikes that you have to not only report someone for hurting your feels on an anonymous Internet forum, but announce it to the world.

Imagine being the ONLY participant in a discussion thread that constantly calls people names and insults others in nearly every post they are quoting. Imagine not having the self control to have civil disagreement.

You need help from a qualified psychiatric professional capable of treating anger management disorders. Because you are dangerous and you WILL harm someone one day because of your absence of self control.

get help

DP you’re a F’ing tool. Your new year resolution should be not being a tool

this is a page right out of the personality disorder playbook: make a distorted claim; normal people get upset and push back; personality disorder says “my goodness, why so crude! That is uncalled for.”