Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not again.

+1000 Is this just the same OP regurgitating this thread by presenting a different scenario?

Yes. OP is really, really trying to make fetch happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We went south. Our kid wanted better weather, safety and happier kids. We looked north and everyone seems weirdly competitive and miserable even on tours. The reproductive argument is so crazy will not even entertain. Just be happy if you think small northern LAC are better. I am sure your kid will find a spot. People should just focus on what makes your kid happier just listen to what they want.

Of course the bottle blonde sorority Barbies seem “happier”. The reproductive argument is not crazy. Let’s just hope none of your daughters need emergency care where getting home is a problem. Or a future where getting home isn’t the issue - the fact that their privacy won’t exist and they will be tracked and face repercussions for getting abortion care out of state. Every single red state with an abortion ban or severe restrictions is trying to work those kinds of things out now.

I went to college in the south and the happiness is fake. I’m not saying their aren’t happy kids there at all, but it’s a put on and if you can’t see that, I guess you’ve raised your kids to be fine in that environment and hopefully they don’t have any real struggles.

This is a gross thing to say about a bunch of 18-22 year olds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The WHY the topmost residencies care is because the top med schools have the hospitals that get the rare and difficult cases from all over the US and world. The students who come out of there have seen and done much more varied cases. This matters for medical fields that are not strictly outpatient primary care.

Correct. Top residencies tend to come from top med schools. Undergrad is irrelevant, except it is much more difficult to get good lab work and shadowing done where everyone is competing for the same jobs. Also much more difficult to get the perfect grades needed for top med.

That is the entirety of the point: top med schools have over half their class from the same 20-25 unis /lacs. These schools have relatively small numbers of premed applicants compared to state schools and yet they are hugely over-represented. Top med schools select far deeper into the class from top undergrads. Premed advising from ivies indicating 3.6 gets you into any US med, when a 3.6 is below avg for premed there, and a 3.9 gets you into TOP med, when 25% of premeds have that. 25% of premeds do NOT get into top med at non-elite schools. My kid goes to a different ivy than i went to and colleagues from non~ivy T10 undergrads: the top 25% of premeds go to top med schools and premeds with below average gpa get in somewhere. For a student who has scores to indicate they will almost certainly be average or above at the college, the elites are basically a guarantee. No one who has a below average gpa at UMD or UVa is getting into US med schools without significant yrs off and a masters in science w a 4.0. And less than 5% of premeds go to top med from UMD. Being top 5% at UMD means you need a 4.0 and stand out in every other way . You are underestimating how hard it is to be within top 5% at UMD. Being top 25% at an ivy is 3.9 and research in stem is basically guaranteed to every student who wants it. No fighting because there are so many options and professors looking.
Undergrad matters for top med schools. Same as top law schools, but the gpa cutoffs are different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

Not for us. NE and east coast schools are in for us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

Not for us. NE and east coast schools are in for us.

Theyre in for almost everyone at top publics and privates, OP has an agenda or is trying to clear the path for her highschoolers

[Anonymous]

Harvard is the UGA of the north.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We went south. Our kid wanted better weather, safety and happier kids. We looked north and everyone seems weirdly competitive and miserable even on tours. The reproductive argument is so crazy will not even entertain. Just be happy if you think small northern LAC are better. I am sure your kid will find a spot. People should just focus on what makes your kid happier just listen to what they want.

Of course the bottle blonde sorority Barbies seem “happier”. The reproductive argument is not crazy. Let’s just hope none of your daughters need emergency care where getting home is a problem. Or a future where getting home isn’t the issue - the fact that their privacy won’t exist and they will be tracked and face repercussions for getting abortion care out of state. Every single red state with an abortion ban or severe restrictions is trying to work those kinds of things out now.

I went to college in the south and the happiness is fake. I’m not saying their aren’t happy kids there at all, but it’s a put on and if you can’t see that, I guess you’ve raised your kids to be fine in that environment and hopefully they don’t have any real struggles.

You went to college in the south and you are making fun of the bottle blonde sororities of said colleges that you applied to? Weird flex. I don't know what your struggle was like but please don't pass that trauma on to others who might actually enjoy their time in college

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the UGA of the north.

[Anonymous]

My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

[Anonymous]

From what I understand the southern schools had more boundaries regarding making sure any protests are peaceful and most did not tolerate encampments and other extremes. I know of at least a few that had places they could go to join protests without allowing things to get out of control on campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

[/b]I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 [b]or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

+1

[Anonymous]

Agree with OP- may be a small trend but in our cohort (private school, UMC, 3.6-3.9 unweighted GPA, athletes), many want to head South.

I think many of these kids- good students, good athletes have put a lot of hard work in throughout HS. They want a good but fun environment.
Most are not kids looking to go Ivy- though a few at the higher stats could likely out together a good portfolio for them and T40 schools.
I know my current senior knows they will Lille need a graduate degree so more interested in a well-balanced undergrad program.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe your people aren"t that bright OP. No one going to some hillbilly red neck school in the south would have been accepted to an elite NE School.

Sure...

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/14/carolina-williams-chose-auburn-over-yale-has-no-regrets.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13351139/ivy-league-abandoned-southern-college-protests.html

[Anonymous]

Because most people have grown tired of DEI, wokeness and pro Hamas protests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

Define “suffering”? What’s the evidence for this? Would be interesting to see more than anecdata and cherry-picked examples.

Because you can also cherry-pick an example like Northeastern, which may not be as amazing as our DCUM booster claims, but has admittedly increased applications and lowered admissions rates in recent years.