Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

I’ve noticed the same thing. NE schools are over for the most part. International applications still keep them competitive but people from competitive areas and UC/UMC aren’t interested. Syracuse is a lot less in demand than Tulane.

I mean...how many times do we have to post CDS data to disprove this nonsense?

Tulane total applications for 2023/24: 28,000 (down from 31,500 the prior year)
Syracuse total applications for 2023/24: 43,000 (up from 41,500 the prior year)

At least spend ten seconds coming up with one example that proves your point.

[Anonymous]

It’s not.
Your cousins and their friends do not represent more than 3 million high school seniors.

[Anonymous]

Even if you were right about this (which you aren't) it shouldn't matter, unless all you care about is keeping up with the Jones. People should find the right fit school for their kid. This is an important decision and not a time to buy into fads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

That's awesome! Spread the message and convince everyone you know to go south. Less competition for my kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if you were right about this (which you aren't) it shouldn't matter, unless all you care about is keeping up with the Jones. People should find the right fit school for their kid. This is an important decision and not a time to buy into fads.

Yeah I don't really get the obsession with trends on this site. If your kid has the stats to be seriously thinking about the Ivies, they've got a lot of choices. Different kids are going to want different things, and they're going to end up in different places. When I was looking, I specifically wanted a cold state (I grew up in the south), so I focused on those. My friends mostly wanted warm beachy places, so they focused on those. We were all happy in the end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you were right about this (which you aren't) it shouldn't matter, unless all you care about is keeping up with the Jones. People should find the right fit school for their kid. This is an important decision and not a time to buy into fads.

Yeah I don't really get the obsession with trends on this site. If your kid has the stats to be seriously thinking about the Ivies, they've got a lot of choices. Different kids are going to want different things, and they're going to end up in different places. When I was looking, I specifically wanted a cold state (I grew up in the south), so I focused on those. My friends mostly wanted warm beachy places, so they focused on those. We were all happy in the end.

I do think what OP is saying is a trend. Going South not North. But it is not going to put anyone out of business. What it doe smean is that the elite southern schools are tougher to get in --- Vandy, Emory, WashU, Duke -- and publics like UT, UGA, and UF.

For the most part, the people going to these schools are not really worried about the issues related to abortion. Kids could always come home. That is the advice those kids are getting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you were right about this (which you aren't) it shouldn't matter, unless all you care about is keeping up with the Jones. People should find the right fit school for their kid. This is an important decision and not a time to buy into fads.

Yeah I don't really get the obsession with trends on this site. If your kid has the stats to be seriously thinking about the Ivies, they've got a lot of choices. Different kids are going to want different things, and they're going to end up in different places. When I was looking, I specifically wanted a cold state (I grew up in the south), so I focused on those. My friends mostly wanted warm beachy places, so they focused on those. We were all happy in the end.

I do think what OP is saying is a trend. Going South not North. But it is not going to put anyone out of business. What it doe smean is that the elite southern schools are tougher to get in --- Vandy, Emory, WashU, Duke -- and publics like UT, UGA, and UF.

For the most part, the people going to these schools are not really worried about the issues related to abortion. Kids could always come home. That is the advice those kids are getting.

Every top 25 school is tougher to get in...this isn't a southern or northern or coastal phenomenon.

BTW...WashU isn't in the south, so not sure why anyone tries to throw it into the mix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if you were right about this (which you aren't) it shouldn't matter, unless all you care about is keeping up with the Jones. People should find the right fit school for their kid. This is an important decision and not a time to buy into fads.

Yeah I don't really get the obsession with trends on this site. If your kid has the stats to be seriously thinking about the Ivies, they've got a lot of choices. Different kids are going to want different things, and they're going to end up in different places. When I was looking, I specifically wanted a cold state (I grew up in the south), so I focused on those. My friends mostly wanted warm beachy places, so they focused on those. We were all happy in the end.

I do think what OP is saying is a trend. Going South not North. But it is not going to put anyone out of business. What it doe smean is that the elite southern schools are tougher to get in --- Vandy, Emory, WashU, Duke -- and publics like UT, UGA, and UF.

For the most part, the people going to these schools are not really worried about the issues related to abortion. Kids could always come home. That is the advice those kids are getting.

Wash U is now in the south??

[Anonymous]

They don't; all of this is made up.

[Anonymous]

OP simply can't understand why some kids have a preference for large, D1 schools in warm climates instead of small, D3 schools in the Northeast.

Next up, OP will ask why some kids enjoy skiing while others prefer to spend their spring break at the beach, and why some drink Coke while others order Pepsi.

[Anonymous]

My two cents is that the Ivy’s have become so competitive that the likes of Vanderbilt and UF compared to NYU and Tufts become a quality of life for many. This just as an example. And the boom of Austin, Charlotte and remote work add even more to the appeal of say Georgia. But it isn’t at the expense of Ivys. If you cannot get into Ivy why not enjoy the college life and end up in same place. And for those saying they would never send their daughters down south because of abortion laws, are you really expecting that to be as issue for them in college? Can they not come home?

[Anonymous]

We went south. Our kid wanted better weather, safety and happier kids. We looked north and everyone seems weirdly competitive and miserable even on tours. The reproductive argument is so crazy will not even entertain. Just be happy if you think small northern LAC are better. I am sure your kid will find a spot. People should just focus on what makes your kid happier just listen to what they want.

[Anonymous]

This is called begging the question

[Anonymous]

I think it's two things that kind of fed on each other. In both public and private schools, this generation of kids grew up with so much sensitivity training that there is a bit of a counter-reaction these days. People don't want to feel like they're constantly walking on eggshells and worrying about micro aggressions and cultural appropriation and the like. And the elite New England schools really exhibit that. For a lot of kids, that's going to feel like a really dour and oppressive environment. A head down, mouth shut kind of place.

Then Covid happened. And if you recall, the New England colleges were easily the most restrictive with their isolation policies. Combined with the bad weather and it was basically a cruel, abusive environment for nearly two years. The South in comparison seemed like a much healthier, open, and friendly environment for young people. More tolerant. More sane. More fun. Better lifestyle. Better weather. And often, better schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My two cents is that the Ivy’s have become so competitive that the likes of Vanderbilt and UF compared to NYU and Tufts become a quality of life for many. This just as an example. And the boom of Austin, Charlotte and remote work add even more to the appeal of say Georgia. But it isn’t at the expense of Ivys. If you cannot get into Ivy why not enjoy the college life and end up in same place. And for those saying they would never send their daughters down south because of abortion laws, are you really expecting that to be as issue for them in college? Can they not come home?

NYU received over 113,000 applications...way more than UF or Vanderbilt. More than 2x Vanderbilt at 45,000.