Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

[Anonymous]

I think the southern schools are pulling away a few kids whose parents and grandparents went to northern ivies. These are wealthy families where they have nothing to prove and no need for the kid to have to grind through college and want college to be fun.

But no worries, there are still plenty of kids who do want to attend Ivies, including more from groups who were historically underrepresented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

I'm pretty confident Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice are very much pulling smart kids away from the Ivies today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

These are not generally kids that can get into an elite school. If you said, Duke, USC, Rice, it would be a discussion but Alabama?

The median family income of a student at Alabama is about $130K. The median income of an Alabama graduate at age 34 is about $44K. The average SAT score is 1225.
University of Georgia is slightly better with the same family income and 49K median income at 34 with an average SAT score of 1310.


Meanwhile University of Virginia students have a median family income of $155K and the kids have a median income of 71K at age 34and an average SAT score of 1445.

MIT has a median family income of 137K and the kids have a median income of $99K at age 34 and an average SAT score of 1543
In fact the average SAT score for the ivies is 1500+

These kids aren't choosing Alabama over ivy, they are, they are going to Alabama/Georgia because its their best option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

I'm pretty confident Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice are very much pulling smart kids away from the Ivies today.

Prove it. Let’s see some verifiable information.

[Anonymous]

One of my kids' (freshman) suitemates this year at Cornell pulled out a few weeks from orientation to go to Vanderbilt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

These are not generally kids that can get into an elite school. If you said, Duke, USC, Rice, it would be a discussion but Alabama?

The median family income of a student at Alabama is about $130K. The median income of an Alabama graduate at age 34 is about $44K. The average SAT score is 1225.
University of Georgia is slightly better with the same family income and 49K median income at 34 with an average SAT score of 1310.


Meanwhile University of Virginia students have a median family income of $155K and the kids have a median income of 71K at age 34and an average SAT score of 1445.

MIT has a median family income of 137K and the kids have a median income of $99K at age 34 and an average SAT score of 1543
In fact the average SAT score for the ivies is 1500+

These kids aren't choosing Alabama over ivy, they are, they are going to Alabama/Georgia because its their best option.

Or they are going because it doesn’t cost as much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

No you are stupid fixed it for you
No one with a brain from an elite family is sending their kid south.

Don't be a snob.

Duke is an elite school.

Plenty of good options in the south.

[Anonymous]

Imho internet is a great equalizer, its fixing unfair advantage some schools had because people didn't know much about schools not actively marketing themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NE schools no longer offer an education. It’s now all toxic indoctrination.

The remaining real schools are in the South.

Wait, you think the schools in the south don't draw from the same pool of academics as everywhere else?
You know nothing John Snow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not again.

+1000 Is this just the same OP regurgitating this thread by presenting a different scenario?

Yes. OP is really, really trying to make fetch happen.

lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Whatever. As if you would let your child get a hysterectomy anywhere else but home. Your point is ridiculous. It is as unlikely to be a factor in Houston TX as it is in the middle of nowhere New Hampshire.

Look, do people not understand emergencies? If my daughter is stuck in effing TX with a diseased uterus and/or ovaries, my concern is they will not actually operate and she will DIE. It isn't that simple to get her back home to Northern VA if her life is on the line.

If we can schedule it, great - yes, I would bring her home. But are people really this dense?

Never mind, don't answer that.

I am trying to find a state where hysterectomies are restricted any more than they are here in Virginia. Can you point me to a state that does this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son went south.

I agree that the big southern schools are not pulling kids away from Ivys or top 20 or even 30 schools. But they are now a desired choice for kids beyond that. So the middle tier northern schools are suffering

I'm pretty confident Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice are very much pulling smart kids away from the Ivies today.

Prove it. Let’s see some verifiable information.

Vanderbilt, Duke, Rice, Stanford, Northwestern, Hopkins, Notre Dame, and Chicago tend to take most of their class in the ED round.

MIT seems to be neutral.

It's the rejects that end up in the Ivy League schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Do you pinky promise?
Please don’t just say this. Really REALLY commit to
Keeping your ideaology OUT of my conservative state please???
I know the economy and our policies make our state look super appealing for jobs and buying a house and all that. But then y’all come flooding in and bring your crazy politics with you.
It’s empty promises and we’re ready for you to deliver already. Stay where you’re at in your liberal lefty heaven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Whatever. As if you would let your child get a hysterectomy anywhere else but home. Your point is ridiculous. It is as unlikely to be a factor in Houston TX as it is in the middle of nowhere New Hampshire.

Look, do people not understand emergencies? If my daughter is stuck in effing TX with a diseased uterus and/or ovaries, my concern is they will not actually operate and she will DIE. It isn't that simple to get her back home to Northern VA if her life is on the line.

If we can schedule it, great - yes, I would bring her home. But are people really this dense?

Never mind, don't answer that.

This is not a real concern that you prepare for. The chances of that happening are quite slim if almost non-existent. And then the chances of getting improper medical care are also non-existent --- the only issue would be if she was pregnant and even if she was there is below a tiny percentage that she would not get normal medical care. And the chances of moving her back to VA are overwhelming. You cannot prepare for the worst case scenario when there is almost no chance it will occur.

Considering OB/GYNs are moving out of and/or just not going to these states, it IS a real concern. I don't trust my child's medical care to states that think that the Handmaid's Tale is a great vision for the future. Abortion is only part of the story. Just wait.

You can think I am a nut all you want. I hope none of your children get caught in the middle of this mess.

You are nuts, there are plenty of Ob/Gyns in the south. Most Ob/Gyns don't perform abortions.

If you don't want to send your daughter to a state where abortions are illegal, that's fine. Nobody cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, no one is getting into Harvard or Princeton. And the backlash against liberalism, and the way some of the Ivies handled student protests in the past couple of years, is making the northeast less appealing. Good students can often get hefty merit aid at the southern state schools. Might as well save some money and try for an Ivy for grad school. (Or just relax into life in the South.)

The Ivies produce conservatives…

The wealth produces conservatives. They are not conservative while they are at the school.