Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing southern schools bring “in”. My college kids see most southern schools as a bit of a joke. No offense intended, I’m sure for those in the south who embrace the culture are happy to go.

This is just not true. No one thinks Vandy, Duke, UF, UG are jokes.

I can't help but laugh when boosters act like Michigan, GW, Maryland, UVA, and even Cornell and Penn are such vaunted high-powered degrees. Human resources and recruiters are not valuing a Michigan degree over a UGA or Miami degree. They're just not. Nobody freaking cares. No bachelor's degree is a lottery ticket, not even HYPSM.

Don't stress over admission, apply early to a fun school in the sunny south you know you will get into. Enjoy college, make nice lifelong friends, date to marry, marry young, and build a life together.

A Penn degree is powerful lol. It’s literally an ivy with the best business school in the country. Maybe if your kid is an ethnic studies major or something it isn’t a good choice, but Penn is, for all intents and purposes, elite.

A Wharton kid is not the same as a kid with a Penn bachelor's. Nobody in real life is impressed by a random schmuck with a Penn bachelor's. If you put two girls in front of hiring managers with the same degree, same GPA, same resume, one is a cute outgoing sorority girl from SMU and the other is a typical neurotic dweeb from Penn, you think the Penn dweeb has an edge? You're very naive.

If the Penn dweeb is interviewing for any finance job on the east or west coast or really any professional job on the coasts, the Penn kid will have probably maybe a 20-1 advantage?

If the Penn kid is trying to get a job in Texas, the SMU kid has a good 10-1 advantage.

If the SMU girl is interviewing for pharma sales… a good 50-1 advantage.

Considering the Penn alumni network is massively larger and more influential in banking, PE, hedge funds, VC, consulting, tech it’s not even close.

More deluded Tiger mom or dad striver babble. Nobody in real life gives a shit about your kid's Penn bachelor's. The average Penn kid isn't ever interviewing for any elite "banking, PE, hedge funds, VC, consulting, tech" gig.

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Anonymous wrote:Never understood the appeal of BU, BC, and Northeastern especially at 95k a year. Better options at half the cost.

Because Boston is a great city to experience college. It's the one thing the Northeast has - Boston. All three of those schools have a distinct character and personalities. I'm a little surprised by the rise of Northeastern, but recognize that times have changed and they are getting good students now. But it's Boston that gives them energy. Outside of the Boston schools - and those schools across the river in Cambridge - the college landscape in the northeast seems increasingly bleak. The region didn't invest in public universities. SLACs aren't as popular as they used to be. And meanwhile a lot of schools elsewhere in the country did invest and are attracting the best students now. If it wasn't for Boston and Cambridge, the Northeast would be a dead zone for higher education today.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing southern schools bring “in”. My college kids see most southern schools as a bit of a joke. No offense intended, I’m sure for those in the south who embrace the culture are happy to go.

This is just not true. No one thinks Vandy, Duke, UF, UG are jokes.

I can't help but laugh when boosters act like Michigan, GW, Maryland, UVA, and even Cornell and Penn are such vaunted high-powered degrees. Human resources and recruiters are not valuing a Michigan degree over a UGA or Miami degree. They're just not. Nobody freaking cares. No bachelor's degree is a lottery ticket, not even HYPSM.

Don't stress over admission, apply early to a fun school in the sunny south you know you will get into. Enjoy college, make nice lifelong friends, date to marry, marry young, and build a life together.

A Penn degree is powerful lol. It’s literally an ivy with the best business school in the country. Maybe if your kid is an ethnic studies major or something it isn’t a good choice, but Penn is, for all intents and purposes, elite.

A Wharton kid is not the same as a kid with a Penn bachelor's. Nobody in real life is impressed by a random schmuck with a Penn bachelor's. If you put two girls in front of hiring managers with the same degree, same GPA, same resume, one is a cute outgoing sorority girl from SMU and the other is a typical neurotic dweeb from Penn, you think the Penn dweeb has an edge? You're very naive.

If the Penn dweeb is interviewing for any finance job on the east or west coast or really any professional job on the coasts, the Penn kid will have probably maybe a 20-1 advantage?

If the Penn kid is trying to get a job in Texas, the SMU kid has a good 10-1 advantage.

If the SMU girl is interviewing for pharma sales… a good 50-1 advantage.

Considering the Penn alumni network is massively larger and more influential in banking, PE, hedge funds, VC, consulting, tech it’s not even close.

More deluded Tiger mom or dad striver babble. Nobody in real life gives a shit about your kid's Penn bachelor's. The average Penn kid isn't ever interviewing for any elite "banking, PE, hedge funds, VC, consulting, tech" gig.

Huh, what? Those are the jobs the average Penn kids are working…sure some will work at a middle market PE firm instead of Blackstone…but you sound mentally deficient and bitter about something.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe kids want diversity. MIT is now 47% asian and only 5% black. That type of excellence comes with a culture and grind that’s just not very appealing to many.

No one cares if you find it appealing. You’re not getting anyways. You just wanted to take this chance to be racist.

So white kids are racist if they don't clamor to waste four years of their life & a monstrous sum of money/debt on some cheating syndicate striver campus overrun with obnoxious and elbowy non-white peers? Are Black kids who attend HBCUs racist too? What about Catholics at BC and Notre Dame? What about Jews at Yeshiva University or even local Jews who have Tulane as a target because it has so many Jewish students?

I’m fairly certain nearly every white kid who gets accepted attends considering yield is 86% and MIT doesn’t have REA or ED…and there are thousands of white kids applying.

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Anonymous wrote:Never understood the appeal of BU, BC, and Northeastern especially at 95k a year. Better options at half the cost.

Because Boston is a great city to experience college. It's the one thing the Northeast has - Boston. All three of those schools have a distinct character and personalities. I'm a little surprised by the rise of Northeastern, but recognize that times have changed and they are getting good students now. But it's Boston that gives them energy. Outside of the Boston schools - and those schools across the river in Cambridge - the college landscape in the northeast seems increasingly bleak. The region didn't invest in public universities. SLACs aren't as popular as they used to be. And meanwhile a lot of schools elsewhere in the country did invest and are attracting the best students now. If it wasn't for Boston and Cambridge, the Northeast would be a dead zone for higher education today.

The consistently rising admissions numbers at top SLACs would indicate that you are wrong on this one.

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Everyone is singing past what’s really happening which is that call it the top 150 schools (including call it the top 30 SLACs) are all becoming more popular to the exclusion of all other schools.

It doesn’t matter where these schools are located…they are all becoming more popular and tons of random schools all over the country are losing students and in danger of closing (and many will close).

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is singing past what’s really happening which is that call it the top 150 schools (including call it the top 30 SLACs) are all becoming more popular to the exclusion of all other schools.

It doesn’t matter where these schools are located…they are all becoming more popular and tons of random schools all over the country are losing students and in danger of closing (and many will close).

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is singing past what’s really happening which is that call it the top 150 schools (including call it the top 30 SLACs) are all becoming more popular to the exclusion of all other schools.

It doesn’t matter where these schools are located…they are all becoming more popular and tons of random schools all over the country are losing students and in danger of closing (and many will close).

Kids don’t want to go to small and midsized colleges in podunk boring dead-end towns. And people, in general, prefer sunny weather.

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Anonymous wrote:Have done a few tours and info sessions for SLACs in NE with my kid (I’m from NE myself). The NE students don’t look or sound nearly as happy as those in the south—the weather is cold, the campuses are small, there’s less diversity, the “elite status” has waned due to who they’re admitting. Not to mention how the progressive ideology seems to really affect the vibe.

Just come out and say it: All the campuses are overrun with insufferable non-white swots.

Is swot just another word for nerd?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone looking to have a great college experience, what do you prefer?

this environment at the ivies

or this

I guess I'm just different, but the bottom looks...really not fun. You're in college, but you choose to spend your time impressing other girls flailing around like a child?
Dartmouth parties sound a lot more fun.

Sorroities don't appeal to me but the anti-semitism is pretty bad too

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Anonymous wrote:Never understood the appeal of BU, BC, and Northeastern especially at 95k a year. Better options at half the cost.

I guess you get to pretend you go to Harvard?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing southern schools bring “in”. My college kids see most southern schools as a bit of a joke. No offense intended, I’m sure for those in the south who embrace the culture are happy to go.

This is just not true. No one thinks Vandy, Duke, UF, UG are jokes.

I can't help but laugh when boosters act like Michigan, GW, Maryland, UVA, and even Cornell and Penn are such vaunted high-powered degrees. Human resources and recruiters are not valuing a Michigan degree over a UGA or Miami degree. They're just not. Nobody freaking cares. No bachelor's degree is a lottery ticket, not even HYPSM.

Don't stress over admission, apply early to a fun school in the sunny south you know you will get into. Enjoy college, make nice lifelong friends, date to marry, marry young, and build a life together.

A Penn degree is powerful lol. It’s literally an ivy with the best business school in the country. Maybe if your kid is an ethnic studies major or something it isn’t a good choice, but Penn is, for all intents and purposes, elite.

A Wharton kid is not the same as a kid with a Penn bachelor's. Nobody in real life is impressed by a random schmuck with a Penn bachelor's. If you put two girls in front of hiring managers with the same degree, same GPA, same resume, one is a cute outgoing sorority girl from SMU and the other is a typical neurotic dweeb from Penn, you think the Penn dweeb has an edge? You're very naive.

If the Penn dweeb is interviewing for any finance job on the east or west coast or really any professional job on the coasts, the Penn kid will have probably maybe a 20-1 advantage?

If the Penn kid is trying to get a job in Texas, the SMU kid has a good 10-1 advantage.

If the SMU girl is interviewing for pharma sales… a good 50-1 advantage.

Considering the Penn alumni network is massively larger and more influential in banking, PE, hedge funds, VC, consulting, tech it’s not even close.

More deluded Tiger mom or dad striver babble. Nobody in real life gives a shit about your kid's Penn bachelor's. The average Penn kid isn't ever interviewing for any elite "banking, PE, hedge funds, VC, consulting, tech" gig.

This is not correct. Vanilla Penn liberal arts grad participates in on campus interviews. Penn is still an ivy and it has ivy pull. The only southern school that competes with it is duke and at the international level, it's probably more marketable than yale or princeton.

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So many people on this thread trying to wish their world into existence. A world where southern schools have better job placement than ivy and white people are not applying to Ivy+ because they don't want to go to an overwhelmingly asian school...

If your kid isn't good enough but they could have been, then frankly it's your fault.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is singing past what’s really happening which is that call it the top 150 schools (including call it the top 30 SLACs) are all becoming more popular to the exclusion of all other schools.

It doesn’t matter where these schools are located…they are all becoming more popular and tons of random schools all over the country are losing students and in danger of closing (and many will close).

Kids don’t want to go to small and midsized colleges in podunk boring dead-end towns. And people, in general, prefer sunny weather.

That’s not really the takeaway because even schools like Bowdoin are seeing a big jump in applications, while schools like Birmingham Southern are closing.

I can’t say Brunswick, ME is a hopping place and it’s not warm…but Bowdoin is a winner in the shakeout.