Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

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Anonymous wrote:We went south. Our kid wanted better weather, safety and happier kids. We looked north and everyone seems weirdly competitive and miserable even on tours. The reproductive argument is so crazy will not even entertain. Just be happy if you think small northern LAC are better. I am sure your kid will find a spot. People should just focus on what makes your kid happier just listen to what they want.

more copium. ivies and other elite highly competitive schools, which just happen to all be NE except Duke and Rice, have highly competitive kids. Your kid either thinks that's an awesome thrill to dive in and be with similar mindsets, or they don't. The former is the (unhooked) kids they typically pick anyway, so yours would not likely get in. Competitive is not always toxic, it is often quite collaborative. That is why top med and law and DCUM's favorite IB wallstreet consulting all preferentially pick from elite unis and WASP lacs. The vast majority of kids who go to these schools thrive on the atmosphere and are happy.

This has been rehashed a million times on here. Top law and med schools do not pick from elite schools. In fact, going to these schools makes getting into med school (and probably law) even harder. Why go to a miserably competitive school when you can be happy, great weather, great sports and get a med school boost?

Look at the rosters of T5 law schools. A FAR outsized portion are from elites. The prelaw advising at kid’s ivy tells them aim 3.7-3.8 for a T14, 3.9 for a T5. The average gpa is 3.8! Below avg gpa students going to T14 is a wide open road. The school has a pipeline to the t14s and presumably every other ivy /elite does too. Premed is the same, you can be 3.6, below average and get in to a (non-top 50) US med school. The 3.9s go to super elite med schools. 25% of premeds have a 3.9. If you are a kid with a low to mid 1500 SAT you will be average or above in premed or prelaw classes at these schools and you will do well. Only the very very top 2-3 kids get into T5 med or law from UMD, and only the top5% have a realistic chance at T14. , and there are far more than 2-3 mid 1500 kids there. Math and statistics don’t lie. Med and law schools do rank undergrad programs into tiers. I have been on said admissions committees and personally know many on peer schools. It matters. Maybe not as much as for quant or whatever but there are target undergrads for top med and top law too. And that matters because certain fields only hire from top law and top residency programs heavily favor top med schools. You can be a bottom kid at a T3 and and place into harvard surgery. Harvard cardiothoracic takes few students, unless underprivileged, from anywhere but top research med schools. Same with CHOP. Same with all elite programs. Prestige matters.

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The WHY the topmost residencies care is because the top med schools have the hospitals that get the rare and difficult cases from all over the US and world. The students who come out of there have seen and done much more varied cases. This matters for medical fields that are not strictly outpatient primary care.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought all of the politics of the south made it toxic, yet all of my cousins in the DMV had absolutely zero desire to shoot for ivies or any of the other elite schools in the NE. They became enamored with the lifestyle on the campuses of southern schools by watching social media vids of girls getting ready to go to to tailgates at Alabama or UGA. Other types of of events and parties on the campuses of southern schools also had tons of social media coverage. The students themselves post the videos, so all of the southern schools get tons of free marketing. I heard this was also a big trend with all of the friends of my cousins - they’re applying to southern schools. Is the whole NE school a thing of the past?

That's awesome! Spread the message and convince everyone you know to go south. Less competition for my kids.

Yaaassss ivies are out , no one apply this year , k?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Whatever. As if you would let your child get a hysterectomy anywhere else but home. Your point is ridiculous. It is as unlikely to be a factor in Houston TX as it is in the middle of nowhere New Hampshire.

Look, do people not understand emergencies? If my daughter is stuck in effing TX with a diseased uterus and/or ovaries, my concern is they will not actually operate and she will DIE. It isn't that simple to get her back home to Northern VA if her life is on the line.

If we can schedule it, great - yes, I would bring her home. But are people really this dense?

Never mind, don't answer that.

You need therapy. Signed sibling of Texas doctor. Women’s healthcare in state is excellent. Calm down.

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Anonymous wrote:There are lots of great schools in all regions of the country. If New Yorkers can leave NYC and find happiness elsewhere during COVID, surely DMV students can look beyond the NE for great schools.

Please take your blasphemy elsewhere, PP.

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Maybe your people aren"t that bright OP. No one going to some hillbilly red neck school in the south would have been accepted to an elite NE School.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, they can do what they want, but I won't send my girls to the red states. And no, it's not because I think they have loose morals or whatever - I am genuinely worried about emergencies with their reproductive organs that docs in those states won't touch for fear of lawsuit. My soon to be freshman has already been told she might need a hysterectomy if other things don't work to fix her numerous issues.

So, for those heading off to these states, I hope for the best and that worst case scenario DOESN'T hit you.

Whatever. As if you would let your child get a hysterectomy anywhere else but home. Your point is ridiculous. It is as unlikely to be a factor in Houston TX as it is in the middle of nowhere New Hampshire.

Look, do people not understand emergencies? If my daughter is stuck in effing TX with a diseased uterus and/or ovaries, my concern is they will not actually operate and she will DIE. It isn't that simple to get her back home to Northern VA if her life is on the line.

If we can schedule it, great - yes, I would bring her home. But are people really this dense?

Never mind, don't answer that.

You need therapy. Signed sibling of Texas doctor. Women’s healthcare in state is excellent. Calm down.

Mmmkay

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe your people aren"t that bright OP. No one going to some hillbilly red neck school in the south would have been accepted to an elite NE School.

I don't know. I've got two at top 20 schools in the South presently.

"Your people" seem like the banjo players to me. But tell us more about what you really think about those going to Duke, Rice, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Texas-Austin, Florida, UVA, UNC-Chapel Hill, Wake Forest, Davidson, and Emory?

The hillbilly redneck thing is enlightening. Best of luck to your child and their learned hatred for all that is different.

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Anonymous wrote:The WHY the topmost residencies care is because the top med schools have the hospitals that get the rare and difficult cases from all over the US and world. The students who come out of there have seen and done much more varied cases. This matters for medical fields that are not strictly outpatient primary care.

Correct. Top residencies tend to come from top med schools. Undergrad is irrelevant, except it is much more difficult to get good lab work and shadowing done where everyone is competing for the same jobs. Also much more difficult to get the perfect grades needed for top med.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe your people aren"t that bright OP. No one going to some hillbilly red neck school in the south would have been accepted to an elite NE School.

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Anonymous wrote:We went south. Our kid wanted better weather, safety and happier kids. We looked north and everyone seems weirdly competitive and miserable even on tours. The reproductive argument is so crazy will not even entertain. Just be happy if you think small northern LAC are better. I am sure your kid will find a spot. People should just focus on what makes your kid happier just listen to what they want.

Of course the bottle blonde sorority Barbies seem “happier”. The reproductive argument is not crazy. Let’s just hope none of your daughters need emergency care where getting home is a problem. Or a future where getting home isn’t the issue - the fact that their privacy won’t exist and they will be tracked and face repercussions for getting abortion care out of state. Every single red state with an abortion ban or severe restrictions is trying to work those kinds of things out now.

I went to college in the south and the happiness is fake. I’m not saying their aren’t happy kids there at all, but it’s a put on and if you can’t see that, I guess you’ve raised your kids to be fine in that environment and hopefully they don’t have any real struggles.

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Anonymous wrote:We went south. Our kid wanted better weather, safety and happier kids. We looked north and everyone seems weirdly competitive and miserable even on tours. The reproductive argument is so crazy will not even entertain. Just be happy if you think small northern LAC are better. I am sure your kid will find a spot. People should just focus on what makes your kid happier just listen to what they want.

Of course the bottle blonde sorority Barbies seem “happier”. The reproductive argument is not crazy. Let’s just hope none of your daughters need emergency care where getting home is a problem. Or a future where getting home isn’t the issue - the fact that their privacy won’t exist and they will be tracked and face repercussions for getting abortion care out of state. Every single red state with an abortion ban or severe restrictions is trying to work those kinds of things out now.

I went to college in the south and the happiness is fake. I’m not saying their aren’t happy kids there at all, but it’s a put on and if you can’t see that, I guess you’ve raised your kids to be fine in that environment and hopefully they don’t have any real struggles.

If you are a black student, it's pretty great to have peers of color and not just blonde hair blue eyed kids with progressive signs in front of their houses. The assertion that the north is any more tolerant is hilarious.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe kids want diversity. MIT is now 47% asian and only 5% black. That type of excellence comes with a culture and grind that’s just not very appealing to many.

MIT has always been a hard and nerdy school even before Asian students arrived there. And I'm pretty sure the students who do go there now--whether they are black, asian, white, or rainbow colored--are there because they want the nerd culture and the difficult science. MIT has never tried to compete with the party schools. The original post pitting these schools against each other is downright puzzling.

MIT will need to join the SEC to remain relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe your people aren"t that bright OP. No one going to some hillbilly red neck school in the south would have been accepted to an elite NE School.

Not OP and I prefer the schools in the NE. And while I’m no fan of the shift in popularity toward southern schools, I promise their increased desirability among a large cohort won’t invalidate your endless striving nor will you be prohibited from bragging about how “elite” your child’s NE school is to anyone that listens.

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Anonymous wrote:We went south. Our kid wanted better weather, safety and happier kids. We looked north and everyone seems weirdly competitive and miserable even on tours. The reproductive argument is so crazy will not even entertain. Just be happy if you think small northern LAC are better. I am sure your kid will find a spot. People should just focus on what makes your kid happier just listen to what they want.

Of course the bottle blonde sorority Barbies seem “happier”. The reproductive argument is not crazy. Let’s just hope none of your daughters need emergency care where getting home is a problem. Or a future where getting home isn’t the issue - the fact that their privacy won’t exist and they will be tracked and face repercussions for getting abortion care out of state. Every single red state with an abortion ban or severe restrictions is trying to work those kinds of things out now.

I went to college in the south and the happiness is fake. I’m not saying their aren’t happy kids there at all, but it’s a put on and if you can’t see that, I guess you’ve raised your kids to be fine in that environment and hopefully they don’t have any real struggles.

Wait. Now you’re suggesting female students can’t receive any sort of healthcare in the south?