She was 17. He was 47. #MeToo changed how she thinks of their relationship

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

It’s not a great situation but it’s not much of a metoo thing - it’s just gross all around. He was a serial cheater, lecher and she was a climber. It worked out fine and she’s getting one last financial payday out of it. I suspect he would be okay with it.

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Anonymous wrote:You are being totally unfair and dishonest by judging something that happened half a century ago with your 2024 norms.

Times change and norms evolve with it.

My grandparents grew up in a time when it was normal for women to get married between 15-20. Do you know what was considered gross back then? A 25 year-old woman who wasn't married and had no kids. Today this is considered the norm.

Legal age was much lower back in those days. Children were considered mature much earlier. My grandfather left home when he was 16 and already had a full-time job. He was no longer considered a child. He got married when he was 18.

Today a 20 year old is still treated like a baby.

What you are considering good and normal today may be considered gross and abnormal by our grandchildren 100 years from now.

Thank you for the sensible post. Many women on dcum are unhinged

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Anonymous wrote:Can't wait to read Macron's book on the topic

Because there are two sides to every story? Is that what you mean?

But no. There isn't. Not when it comes to minors. Take that shit elsewhere.

What?! No emmanuel macron's the president of France. His wife was his high school drama teacher. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-brigitte-french-president-wife-b2064486.html

Oh that. Yes, definitely the same disgusting predatory behavior. The gender doesn’t matter.

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Anonymous wrote:You are being totally unfair and dishonest by judging something that happened half a century ago with your 2024 norms.

Times change and norms evolve with it.

My grandparents grew up in a time when it was normal for women to get married between 15-20. Do you know what was considered gross back then? A 25 year-old woman who wasn't married and had no kids. Today this is considered the norm.

Legal age was much lower back in those days. Children were considered mature much earlier. My grandfather left home when he was 16 and already had a full-time job. He was no longer considered a child. He got married when he was 18.

Today a 20 year old is still treated like a baby.

What you are considering good and normal today may be considered gross and abnormal by our grandchildren 100 years from now.

I think everyone involved would admit it was kind of creepy, the discussion is HOW creepy. It’s definitely not a case of peasants who marry young to make the farm more productive or colonialists recognizing that 47 would be considered extreme old age.

If the discussion is about how creepy it was, let me tell you that it wasn't as creepy when it happened 50 years ago as it is today.
People weren't seeing it as creepy as you are seeing it today. That's the point.
Stop judging past events using today's norms.

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Anonymous wrote:You are being totally unfair and dishonest by judging something that happened half a century ago with your 2024 norms.

Times change and norms evolve with it.

My grandparents grew up in a time when it was normal for women to get married between 15-20. Do you know what was considered gross back then? A 25 year-old woman who wasn't married and had no kids. Today this is considered the norm.

Legal age was much lower back in those days. Children were considered mature much earlier. My grandfather left home when he was 16 and already had a full-time job. He was no longer considered a child. He got married when he was 18.

Today a 20 year old is still treated like a baby.

What you are considering good and normal today may be considered gross and abnormal by our grandchildren 100 years from now.

I think everyone involved would admit it was kind of creepy, the discussion is HOW creepy. It’s definitely not a case of peasants who marry young to make the farm more productive or colonialists recognizing that 47 would be considered extreme old age.

If the discussion is about how creepy it was, let me tell you that it wasn't as creepy when it happened 50 years ago as it is today.
People weren't seeing it as creepy as you are seeing it today. That's the point.
Stop judging past events using today's norms.

Perhaps. Although I don’t agree with you that kids were more mature or somehow able to consent at an earlier age. We’ve grown a lot and realized the errors of our ways from the past. So it’s not wrong to judge these situations as a teaching moment.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's great, but I also think it's entirely possible it wasn't a predator situation. There are people (men and women) who are wonderful at age 18—they're sexually adults and completely capable of being intelligent, thoughtful, charming people.

Okay, so I can't think of any 17 or 18yo that I can stand to spend more than 3 minutes with, but her kvetching about this, especially because they apparently were married for decades long after she was inappropriately young, makes this feel more like an attention grab than a serious concern.

I'd almost believe you if he was 17 or 18 himself. But a 47 year old man who pursues a 17 year old girl will always be a predator in my mind. What could they possibly have in common?

She sounds like an incredibly unappealing person in general, so I can't answer that. But they did stay married for a long time, so clearly there was something else going on besides an interest in 17yos.

Totally irrelevant and a matter of your opinion. She was still 17 and he was 47. Just because you marry your victim doesn't make it right.

Same goes for Celene Dion and Rene. She was 12 when she met him nad he was 38 and married, but they supposedly waited until she was of age to start dating. They were also married for a long time. It doesn't make him any less of a predator. Just sick stuff.

Also, the PP asked what they could possibly have in common and I replied that I couldn't answer that. So, not sure what you're so worked up about.

That you're treating this relationship like no big deal and trying to normalize this kind of behavior from adult, middle aged, predatory men. I'll answer for you a great deal of certainty that a 17 year old girl and 47 year old man have VERY little in common. She barely started her life, has little education, no work experience, no relationship experience, and he has lived more than half his life. So please, spare me the "oh I don't know, it could be fine." It's not. It's just not. You wouldn't let your 17 year old daughter marry a 47 year old man so what are you driving at?

I wouldn't let my 17yo marry anyone. Would you?

Absolutely not. That is my point. But especially a 47 year old.

You've really lost me as to what your point is.

I know, dear. Just stay away from young girls.

Why would I go near young girls? Is this about Celine Dion?

You're a troll and probably a preditor yourself since you see nothing wrong with this.

Oh, I see lots wrong with it. I think it's downright weird. I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be.

You don't think a married 47 year old with children pursuing a 17 year old is predatory? JFC, how many watch lists are you on?

I literally said the opposite.

"I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be"
How is that the opposite? Of course it's predatory.

Yes that’s what I said. It’s predatory.

If you thought it was predatory, you would have said it was predatory. That's not what you said. Stop trying to back peddle now that pps called you out on your disgusting approval of this relationship.

I did say it was predatory.

Where?

"I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be"

You aren't saying it's predatory, you are saying that it isn't. Because you think 47 year old men are totes fine pursuing 17 year olds. Disgusting.

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I just started this book today. It's good so far. I like how she is reexamining what she wrote in her earlier memoit and why she did. I think it was to justify the situation and make it seem normal. It was not. We'll see. Memoirs sometimes make me hate the author by the end.

I think the situation was also influenced by the era. It was around 1970 that they got together--expectations of all kinds were very different. She delves into this and it is plausible to me. (Not an excuse, just a reason.)

I think he was a typical jerk who was a cheater, on the make, and looking for sex. So many men were like this and still are. Their vows and commitments mean nothing. I know women do this too, but it's so common for men to just be always thinking about sex and sexual conquest and marriage doesn't stop them. I think predatory behavior was more accepted and also more hidden in the past. Women were also blamed for men's behavior--wives, lovers, SA and DA victims.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's great, but I also think it's entirely possible it wasn't a predator situation. There are people (men and women) who are wonderful at age 18—they're sexually adults and completely capable of being intelligent, thoughtful, charming people.

Okay, so I can't think of any 17 or 18yo that I can stand to spend more than 3 minutes with, but her kvetching about this, especially because they apparently were married for decades long after she was inappropriately young, makes this feel more like an attention grab than a serious concern.

I'd almost believe you if he was 17 or 18 himself. But a 47 year old man who pursues a 17 year old girl will always be a predator in my mind. What could they possibly have in common?

She sounds like an incredibly unappealing person in general, so I can't answer that. But they did stay married for a long time, so clearly there was something else going on besides an interest in 17yos.

Totally irrelevant and a matter of your opinion. She was still 17 and he was 47. Just because you marry your victim doesn't make it right.

Same goes for Celene Dion and Rene. She was 12 when she met him nad he was 38 and married, but they supposedly waited until she was of age to start dating. They were also married for a long time. It doesn't make him any less of a predator. Just sick stuff.

Also, the PP asked what they could possibly have in common and I replied that I couldn't answer that. So, not sure what you're so worked up about.

That you're treating this relationship like no big deal and trying to normalize this kind of behavior from adult, middle aged, predatory men. I'll answer for you a great deal of certainty that a 17 year old girl and 47 year old man have VERY little in common. She barely started her life, has little education, no work experience, no relationship experience, and he has lived more than half his life. So please, spare me the "oh I don't know, it could be fine." It's not. It's just not. You wouldn't let your 17 year old daughter marry a 47 year old man so what are you driving at?

I wouldn't let my 17yo marry anyone. Would you?

Absolutely not. That is my point. But especially a 47 year old.

You've really lost me as to what your point is.

I know, dear. Just stay away from young girls.

Why would I go near young girls? Is this about Celine Dion?

You're a troll and probably a preditor yourself since you see nothing wrong with this.

Oh, I see lots wrong with it. I think it's downright weird. I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be.

You don't think a married 47 year old with children pursuing a 17 year old is predatory? JFC, how many watch lists are you on?

I literally said the opposite.

"I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be"
How is that the opposite? Of course it's predatory.

Yes that’s what I said. It’s predatory.

If you thought it was predatory, you would have said it was predatory. That's not what you said. Stop trying to back peddle now that pps called you out on your disgusting approval of this relationship.

I did say it was predatory.

Where?

"I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be"

You aren't saying it's predatory, you are saying that it isn't. Because you think 47 year old men are totes fine pursuing 17 year olds. Disgusting.

I don’t know what to tell you. The words I wrote are that it’s predatory and I believe that. We can’t continue the conversation if you keep trying to say I wrote something else.

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I find it interesting that her main regret is to never having dated a younger man vs. having children of her own.

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Anonymous wrote:My grandmother was 15 when she married my grandfather who was in his 20s. Arranged marriage. To this day, my family acts like her being married at 15 and birthing 7 children was a love story.

Your grandfather probably had as little input into his choice of bride as your grandmother into her choice of husband.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's great, but I also think it's entirely possible it wasn't a predator situation. There are people (men and women) who are wonderful at age 18—they're sexually adults and completely capable of being intelligent, thoughtful, charming people.

Okay, so I can't think of any 17 or 18yo that I can stand to spend more than 3 minutes with, but her kvetching about this, especially because they apparently were married for decades long after she was inappropriately young, makes this feel more like an attention grab than a serious concern.

I'd almost believe you if he was 17 or 18 himself. But a 47 year old man who pursues a 17 year old girl will always be a predator in my mind. What could they possibly have in common?

She sounds like an incredibly unappealing person in general, so I can't answer that. But they did stay married for a long time, so clearly there was something else going on besides an interest in 17yos.

Totally irrelevant and a matter of your opinion. She was still 17 and he was 47. Just because you marry your victim doesn't make it right.

Same goes for Celene Dion and Rene. She was 12 when she met him nad he was 38 and married, but they supposedly waited until she was of age to start dating. They were also married for a long time. It doesn't make him any less of a predator. Just sick stuff.

Also, the PP asked what they could possibly have in common and I replied that I couldn't answer that. So, not sure what you're so worked up about.

That you're treating this relationship like no big deal and trying to normalize this kind of behavior from adult, middle aged, predatory men. I'll answer for you a great deal of certainty that a 17 year old girl and 47 year old man have VERY little in common. She barely started her life, has little education, no work experience, no relationship experience, and he has lived more than half his life. So please, spare me the "oh I don't know, it could be fine." It's not. It's just not. You wouldn't let your 17 year old daughter marry a 47 year old man so what are you driving at?

I wouldn't let my 17yo marry anyone. Would you?

Absolutely not. That is my point. But especially a 47 year old.

You've really lost me as to what your point is.

I know, dear. Just stay away from young girls.

Why would I go near young girls? Is this about Celine Dion?

You're a troll and probably a preditor yourself since you see nothing wrong with this.

Oh, I see lots wrong with it. I think it's downright weird. I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be.

You don't think a married 47 year old with children pursuing a 17 year old is predatory? JFC, how many watch lists are you on?

I literally said the opposite.

"I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be"
How is that the opposite? Of course it's predatory.

Yes that’s what I said. It’s predatory.

If you thought it was predatory, you would have said it was predatory. That's not what you said. Stop trying to back peddle now that pps called you out on your disgusting approval of this relationship.

I did say it was predatory.

Where?

"I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be"

You aren't saying it's predatory, you are saying that it isn't. Because you think 47 year old men are totes fine pursuing 17 year olds. Disgusting.

I don’t know what to tell you. The words I wrote are that it’s predatory and I believe that. We can’t continue the conversation if you keep trying to say I wrote something else.

You do not say it's predatory, you say you don't believe it is. Wtf is wrong with you, you know we can read, right?

"I also think it's entirely possible it wasn't a predator situation"

Yes, it was a predator situation. No, you did not say that you think it is. You keep trying to back track, but youve written multiple times that you don't believe she is a victim, you don't believe this was predatory, and you are defending a predator and groomer in the process. If you meant to say "It's predatory and gross", you should choose different words next time.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's great, but I also think it's entirely possible it wasn't a predator situation. There are people (men and women) who are wonderful at age 18—they're sexually adults and completely capable of being intelligent, thoughtful, charming people.

Okay, so I can't think of any 17 or 18yo that I can stand to spend more than 3 minutes with, but her kvetching about this, especially because they apparently were married for decades long after she was inappropriately young, makes this feel more like an attention grab than a serious concern.

I'd almost believe you if he was 17 or 18 himself. But a 47 year old man who pursues a 17 year old girl will always be a predator in my mind. What could they possibly have in common?

She sounds like an incredibly unappealing person in general, so I can't answer that. But they did stay married for a long time, so clearly there was something else going on besides an interest in 17yos.

Totally irrelevant and a matter of your opinion. She was still 17 and he was 47. Just because you marry your victim doesn't make it right.

Same goes for Celene Dion and Rene. She was 12 when she met him nad he was 38 and married, but they supposedly waited until she was of age to start dating. They were also married for a long time. It doesn't make him any less of a predator. Just sick stuff.

Also, the PP asked what they could possibly have in common and I replied that I couldn't answer that. So, not sure what you're so worked up about.

That you're treating this relationship like no big deal and trying to normalize this kind of behavior from adult, middle aged, predatory men. I'll answer for you a great deal of certainty that a 17 year old girl and 47 year old man have VERY little in common. She barely started her life, has little education, no work experience, no relationship experience, and he has lived more than half his life. So please, spare me the "oh I don't know, it could be fine." It's not. It's just not. You wouldn't let your 17 year old daughter marry a 47 year old man so what are you driving at?

I wouldn't let my 17yo marry anyone. Would you?

Absolutely not. That is my point. But especially a 47 year old.

You've really lost me as to what your point is.

I know, dear. Just stay away from young girls.

Why would I go near young girls? Is this about Celine Dion?

You're a troll and probably a preditor yourself since you see nothing wrong with this.

Oh, I see lots wrong with it. I think it's downright weird. I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be.

You don't think a married 47 year old with children pursuing a 17 year old is predatory? JFC, how many watch lists are you on?

I literally said the opposite.

"I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be"
How is that the opposite? Of course it's predatory.

Yes that’s what I said. It’s predatory.

If you thought it was predatory, you would have said it was predatory. That's not what you said. Stop trying to back peddle now that pps called you out on your disgusting approval of this relationship.

I did say it was predatory.

Where?

"I just don't think it's as predatory as she's making it out to be"

You aren't saying it's predatory, you are saying that it isn't. Because you think 47 year old men are totes fine pursuing 17 year olds. Disgusting.

I don’t know what to tell you. The words I wrote are that it’s predatory and I believe that. We can’t continue the conversation if you keep trying to say I wrote something else.

You do not say it's predatory, you say you don't believe it is. Wtf is wrong with you, you know we can read, right?

"I also think it's entirely possible it wasn't a predator situation"

Yes, it was a predator situation. No, you did not say that you think it is. You keep trying to back track, but youve written multiple times that you don't believe she is a victim, you don't believe this was predatory, and you are defending a predator and groomer in the process. If you meant to say "It's predatory and gross", you should choose different words next time.

You are absolutely right. It's not like we can't read exactly what she said FFS. Gaslighter galore.

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Anonymous wrote:My grandmother was 15 when she married my grandfather who was in his 20s. Arranged marriage. To this day, my family acts like her being married at 15 and birthing 7 children was a love story.

Your grandfather probably had as little input into his choice of bride as your grandmother into her choice of husband.

Np. Possibly true and he did not groom pp’s grandma. Pp probably a drama queen n wants to make a big deal about nothing