She was 17. He was 47. #MeToo changed how she thinks of their relationship

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are being totally unfair and dishonest by judging something that happened half a century ago with your 2024 norms.

Times change and norms evolve with it.

My grandparents grew up in a time when it was normal for women to get married between 15-20. Do you know what was considered gross back then? A 25 year-old woman who wasn't married and had no kids. Today this is considered the norm.

Legal age was much lower back in those days. Children were considered mature much earlier. My grandfather left home when he was 16 and already had a full-time job. He was no longer considered a child. He got married when he was 18.

Today a 20 year old is still treated like a baby.

What you are considering good and normal today may be considered gross and abnormal by our grandchildren 100 years from now.

I think everyone involved would admit it was kind of creepy, the discussion is HOW creepy. It’s definitely not a case of peasants who marry young to make the farm more productive or colonialists recognizing that 47 would be considered extreme old age.

If the discussion is about how creepy it was, let me tell you that it wasn't as creepy when it happened 50 years ago as it is today.
People weren't seeing it as creepy as you are seeing it today. That's the point.
Stop judging past events using today's norms.

Perhaps. Although I don’t agree with you that kids were more mature or somehow able to consent at an earlier age. We’ve grown a lot and realized the errors of our ways from the past. So it’s not wrong to judge these situations as a teaching moment.

It's not about agreeing with me. It's about agreeing with the facts.
In Virginia where I live, the law was changed in 2016 to set the sets the minimum marriage age at 18, or 16 if a child is emancipated by court order. Prior to that, the legal marriage was 16, and 16 yo or younger could get married with parental consent or if the girl was pregnant.
In 2024, a new law was signed to set the minimum marriage age at 18 with no exceptions.
https://msmagazine.com/2024/04/15/virginia-child-marriage/

Laws reflect what the society considers normal and acceptable. The low age limits in these laws are a reflection of what the society was considering normal at the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are being totally unfair and dishonest by judging something that happened half a century ago with your 2024 norms.

Times change and norms evolve with it.

My grandparents grew up in a time when it was normal for women to get married between 15-20. Do you know what was considered gross back then? A 25 year-old woman who wasn't married and had no kids. Today this is considered the norm.

Legal age was much lower back in those days. Children were considered mature much earlier. My grandfather left home when he was 16 and already had a full-time job. He was no longer considered a child. He got married when he was 18.

Today a 20 year old is still treated like a baby.

What you are considering good and normal today may be considered gross and abnormal by our grandchildren 100 years from now.

I think everyone involved would admit it was kind of creepy, the discussion is HOW creepy. It’s definitely not a case of peasants who marry young to make the farm more productive or colonialists recognizing that 47 would be considered extreme old age.

If the discussion is about how creepy it was, let me tell you that it wasn't as creepy when it happened 50 years ago as it is today.
People weren't seeing it as creepy as you are seeing it today. That's the point.
Stop judging past events using today's norms.

Perhaps. Although I don’t agree with you that kids were more mature or somehow able to consent at an earlier age. We’ve grown a lot and realized the errors of our ways from the past. So it’s not wrong to judge these situations as a teaching moment.

It's not about agreeing with me. It's about agreeing with the facts.
In Virginia where I live, the law was changed in 2016 to set the sets the minimum marriage age at 18, or 16 if a child is emancipated by court order. Prior to that, the legal marriage was 16, and 16 yo or younger could get married with parental consent or if the girl was pregnant.
In 2024, a new law was signed to set the minimum marriage age at 18 with no exceptions.
https://msmagazine.com/2024/04/15/virginia-child-marriage/

Laws reflect what the society considers normal and acceptable. The low age limits in these laws are a reflection of what the society was considering normal at the time.

And while we in the US consider that 18 is an acceptable age to get married, many other countries consider that this is too low and have their limit set at 21. They view us as predators with predatory laws.

And if or when our children or grandchildren change the laws in 100 years to increase the limit to 21 or 22, they will call you monsters for allowing 20 years old to get married.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does anyone aspire to join the metoo movement? It’s not exactly a social club.

Reframe your question and put "civil rights" in place of "metoo" and read it again. Then get yourself to a library and do some book reading. Maybe start with whatever your GOP Social Club thinks should be banned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

Stop arguing. They are both scum. Him moreso, because he betrayed his wife and kids, and preyed on a 17 year old. Plenty of blame to go around here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

Again, she was 17 and he was 47 and married. If she were in her 40s and his contemporary and knew he was married, I'd be saying something different. But he went after a child while he was married. He is scum and the fact that you blame them both equally means you are too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

Again, she was 17 and he was 47 and married. If she were in her 40s and his contemporary and knew he was married, I'd be saying something different. But he went after a child while he was married. He is scum and the fact that you blame them both equally means you are too.

NP here. Stop the BS. She was happily married for 45 years. More than what you and many moral warriors here would ever achieve. Who cares how their relationship started when they had a f*ing 45 year happy life.
You are jealous because your "perfect marriage" turned out to be a nightmare and didn't last.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

Again, she was 17 and he was 47 and married. If she were in her 40s and his contemporary and knew he was married, I'd be saying something different. But he went after a child while he was married. He is scum and the fact that you blame them both equally means you are too.

NP here. Stop the BS. She was happily married for 45 years. More than what you and many moral warriors here would ever achieve. Who cares how their relationship started when they had a f*ing 45 year happy life.
You are jealous because your "perfect marriage" turned out to be a nightmare and didn't last.

What are you prattling on about? I'm jealous that I didn't marry a predator when I was 17. Get real!

And what the hell do you know about my marriage? You are not well.

HE WAS A PREDATOR!!!!!!!!!! Stop normalizing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are being totally unfair and dishonest by judging something that happened half a century ago with your 2024 norms.

Times change and norms evolve with it.

My grandparents grew up in a time when it was normal for women to get married between 15-20. Do you know what was considered gross back then? A 25 year-old woman who wasn't married and had no kids. Today this is considered the norm.

Legal age was much lower back in those days. Children were considered mature much earlier. My grandfather left home when he was 16 and already had a full-time job. He was no longer considered a child. He got married when he was 18.

Today a 20 year old is still treated like a baby.

What you are considering good and normal today may be considered gross and abnormal by our grandchildren 100 years from now.

Thank you for the sensible post. Many women on dcum are unhinged

They probably married men who were near their age or within ten years, though. Marrying someone much older was unusual then, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

Again, she was 17 and he was 47 and married. If she were in her 40s and his contemporary and knew he was married, I'd be saying something different. But he went after a child while he was married. He is scum and the fact that you blame them both equally means you are too.

NP here. Stop the BS. She was happily married for 45 years. More than what you and many moral warriors here would ever achieve. Who cares how their relationship started when they had a f*ing 45 year happy life.
You are jealous because your "perfect marriage" turned out to be a nightmare and didn't last.

Are you joking??? Would you say the same thing if she was 12 and he was 42?? Who cares! They ended up happy! It doesnt matter he was a pedophile and groomed his child bride!

Wtf is wrong with people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

Again, she was 17 and he was 47 and married. If she were in her 40s and his contemporary and knew he was married, I'd be saying something different. But he went after a child while he was married. He is scum and the fact that you blame them both equally means you are too.

NP here. Stop the BS. She was happily married for 45 years. More than what you and many moral warriors here would ever achieve. Who cares how their relationship started when they had a f*ing 45 year happy life.
You are jealous because your "perfect marriage" turned out to be a nightmare and didn't last.

Are you joking??? Would you say the same thing if she was 12 and he was 42?? Who cares! They ended up happy! It doesnt matter he was a pedophile and groomed his child bride!

Wtf is wrong with people

There are definitely a few crazies who keep trying to justify this despicable behavior. It's gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

Again, she was 17 and he was 47 and married. If she were in her 40s and his contemporary and knew he was married, I'd be saying something different. But he went after a child while he was married. He is scum and the fact that you blame them both equally means you are too.

NP here. Stop the BS. She was happily married for 45 years. More than what you and many moral warriors here would ever achieve. Who cares how their relationship started when they had a f*ing 45 year happy life.
You are jealous because your "perfect marriage" turned out to be a nightmare and didn't last.

What are you prattling on about? I'm jealous that I didn't marry a predator when I was 17. Get real!

And what the hell do you know about my marriage? You are not well.

HE WAS A PREDATOR!!!!!!!!!! Stop normalizing it.

A predator with a willing “victim”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

Again, she was 17 and he was 47 and married. If she were in her 40s and his contemporary and knew he was married, I'd be saying something different. But he went after a child while he was married. He is scum and the fact that you blame them both equally means you are too.

NP here. Stop the BS. She was happily married for 45 years. More than what you and many moral warriors here would ever achieve. Who cares how their relationship started when they had a f*ing 45 year happy life.
You are jealous because your "perfect marriage" turned out to be a nightmare and didn't last.

What are you prattling on about? I'm jealous that I didn't marry a predator when I was 17. Get real!

And what the hell do you know about my marriage? You are not well.

HE WAS A PREDATOR!!!!!!!!!! Stop normalizing it.

A predator with a willing “victim”.

NP. She's not willing anymore. And she wonders if she could have ever truly consented
Read the book

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the man? This woman was also a willing participant until she decided to rewrite history.

She was a minor and he was 47. It's not rocket science.

She was 17, not 7.

I'm so glad that #metoo happened. Exposes people like you and makes sure that your behavior is checked and not normalized.

Step off your high horse. I’d have more sympathy for this woman if she hadn’t insisted that her paramour leave his wife.

She was no "woman" when he groomed her and pursued her. It was his job to uphold his vows. Do you always blame the other woman when the husband chooses to cheat?

I don’t blame just the man. Are you an other woman?

Again, she was 17 and he was 47 and married. If she were in her 40s and his contemporary and knew he was married, I'd be saying something different. But he went after a child while he was married. He is scum and the fact that you blame them both equally means you are too.

NP here. Stop the BS. She was happily married for 45 years. More than what you and many moral warriors here would ever achieve. Who cares how their relationship started when they had a f*ing 45 year happy life.
You are jealous because your "perfect marriage" turned out to be a nightmare and didn't last.

What are you prattling on about? I'm jealous that I didn't marry a predator when I was 17. Get real!

And what the hell do you know about my marriage? You are not well.

HE WAS A PREDATOR!!!!!!!!!! Stop normalizing it.

A predator with a willing “victim”.

NP. She's not willing anymore. And she wonders if she could have ever truly consented
Read the book

Don’t even bother. That person is probably a predator too who is attracted to pubescent girls. Truly disturbing and sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are being totally unfair and dishonest by judging something that happened half a century ago with your 2024 norms.

Times change and norms evolve with it.

My grandparents grew up in a time when it was normal for women to get married between 15-20. Do you know what was considered gross back then? A 25 year-old woman who wasn't married and had no kids. Today this is considered the norm.

Legal age was much lower back in those days. Children were considered mature much earlier. My grandfather left home when he was 16 and already had a full-time job. He was no longer considered a child. He got married when he was 18.

Today a 20 year old is still treated like a baby.

What you are considering good and normal today may be considered gross and abnormal by our grandchildren 100 years from now.

I think everyone involved would admit it was kind of creepy, the discussion is HOW creepy. It’s definitely not a case of peasants who marry young to make the farm more productive or colonialists recognizing that 47 would be considered extreme old age.

If the discussion is about how creepy it was, let me tell you that it wasn't as creepy when it happened 50 years ago as it is today.
People weren't seeing it as creepy as you are seeing it today. That's the point.
Stop judging past events using today's norms.

Perhaps. Although I don’t agree with you that kids were more mature or somehow able to consent at an earlier age. We’ve grown a lot and realized the errors of our ways from the past. So it’s not wrong to judge these situations as a teaching moment.

It's not about agreeing with me. It's about agreeing with the facts.
In Virginia where I live, the law was changed in 2016 to set the sets the minimum marriage age at 18, or 16 if a child is emancipated by court order. Prior to that, the legal marriage was 16, and 16 yo or younger could get married with parental consent or if the girl was pregnant.
In 2024, a new law was signed to set the minimum marriage age at 18 with no exceptions.
https://msmagazine.com/2024/04/15/virginia-child-marriage/

Laws reflect what the society considers normal and acceptable. The low age limits in these laws are a reflection of what the society was considering normal at the time.

And while we in the US consider that 18 is an acceptable age to get married, many other countries consider that this is too low and have their limit set at 21. They view us as predators with predatory laws.

And if or when our children or grandchildren change the laws in 100 years to increase the limit to 21 or 22, they will call you monsters for allowing 20 years old to get married.

In the year that this 47 year old pursued the 17 year old in the state of California, the age of consent was (and still is) 18. It was 18 in the early 1900s. So he was violating the law.