Poll shows the debate only changed 7% of people's minds...

[Anonymous]

SIX BILLION.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Young people and 1st time voters aren't predictable or reliable. In the case of the 2024 election, I can't see them being duped into voting for Trump or Biden like we'll see with so many of the older folks that refuse to admit they were wrong. They'll look at two elderly people that have no business being POTUS until 2029 on the major party tickets and most will vote 3rd party or choose not to vote at all. Can't say I blame them. Let's hope Biden drops out of the race so we don't have to worry about this.

But the 2022 and 2023 elections seem to counter your argument. Once abortion rigths are on the ballot, as they were in 2022 and 2023 in Kansas, Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia, the 18-35 demographics came out in record numbers. Many who had never voted, registered. And many who had been registered, but never voted, voted. And they came out about 60-85% in favor of the abortion rights issue. This year, you have a candidate who is beholden to his conservative base who will be pushed very hard by his die hard followers, to try and legislate and pass nationwide abortion bans. He has come out and said he would not push for that, but he has not said that if Congress sends him a bill, that he will not sign it. He's only said he will not push the legislation himself. Additionally, he has been known to frequently lie about his platform. He will say whatever is expedient and do whatever is in his own best interests, consistently. So, if Congress sends him a bill and it is in his best interest to sign it, he will sign it. If he can bargain some personal gain for himself, he'll sign it.

Young voters know very well that the Republican ticket will be advocating for and try hard to pass a national abortion ban law. And they know that Democrats will try to prevent that and secure more abortion rights nation-wide. And who is most impacted by having abortion rights? Those voters who are in their prime child-bearing years and who will have to make the most decisions about family planning, e.g. the 18-24 and 25-34 year old demographics. These are the people who will have to decide whether a child will completely change their lives and life plans, who will have to decide whether a child with severe complications will work for their family, whether the child is important enough to risk the mother's health and or life, and so on. They want to have the choice to do what is best based on what their doctor's recommend, so they want to have the options that families have had for the last 50 years.

Also remember that those who are under 26 were not eligible to vote in 2016 and those who are under 22 were not eligible to vote in 2020. There are a lot of people who have not had the option to weigh in on whether these candidates were the right choices, and now they do. And with one of the most important issues for themselves on the ballot, they'll come out to vote. Those demographics care much more about whether they have the personal right to make a choice about if, whether, or when to have a family than about immigration and illegal aliens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Young people and 1st time voters aren't predictable or reliable. In the case of the 2024 election, I can't see them being duped into voting for Trump or Biden like we'll see with so many of the older folks that refuse to admit they were wrong. They'll look at two elderly people that have no business being POTUS until 2029 on the major party tickets and most will vote 3rd party or choose not to vote at all. Can't say I blame them. Let's hope Biden drops out of the race so we don't have to worry about this.

But the 2022 and 2023 elections seem to counter your argument. Once abortion rigths are on the ballot, as they were in 2022 and 2023 in Kansas, Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia, the 18-35 demographics came out in record numbers. Many who had never voted, registered. And many who had been registered, but never voted, voted. And they came out about 60-85% in favor of the abortion rights issue. This year, you have a candidate who is beholden to his conservative base who will be pushed very hard by his die hard followers, to try and legislate and pass nationwide abortion bans. He has come out and said he would not push for that, but he has not said that if Congress sends him a bill, that he will not sign it. He's only said he will not push the legislation himself. Additionally, he has been known to frequently lie about his platform. He will say whatever is expedient and do whatever is in his own best interests, consistently. So, if Congress sends him a bill and it is in his best interest to sign it, he will sign it. If he can bargain some personal gain for himself, he'll sign it.

Young voters know very well that the Republican ticket will be advocating for and try hard to pass a national abortion ban law. And they know that Democrats will try to prevent that and secure more abortion rights nation-wide. And who is most impacted by having abortion rights? Those voters who are in their prime child-bearing years and who will have to make the most decisions about family planning, e.g. the 18-24 and 25-34 year old demographics. These are the people who will have to decide whether a child will completely change their lives and life plans, who will have to decide whether a child with severe complications will work for their family, whether the child is important enough to risk the mother's health and or life, and so on. They want to have the choice to do what is best based on what their doctor's recommend, so they want to have the options that families have had for the last 50 years.

Also remember that those who are under 26 were not eligible to vote in 2016 and those who are under 22 were not eligible to vote in 2020. There are a lot of people who have not had the option to weigh in on whether these candidates were the right choices, and now they do. And with one of the most important issues for themselves on the ballot, they'll come out to vote. Those demographics care much more about whether they have the personal right to make a choice about if, whether, or when to have a family than about immigration and illegal aliens.

I agree and all we need is a normal/viable Dem candidate to carry this momentum to a victory in the 2024 election. Let's pray Biden does the right thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Young people and 1st time voters aren't predictable or reliable. In the case of the 2024 election, I can't see them being duped into voting for Trump or Biden like we'll see with so many of the older folks that refuse to admit they were wrong. They'll look at two elderly people that have no business being POTUS until 2029 on the major party tickets and most will vote 3rd party or choose not to vote at all. Can't say I blame them. Let's hope Biden drops out of the race so we don't have to worry about this.

Not happening. You don’t think these young women don’t care about reproductive rights?

Some do, some don't. No single issue will make young voters predictable or reliable. If Trump or Biden were running against a normal candidate, it is safe to say that a majority of the young people that do vote, will vote for the normal candidate. This is why we are hoping Biden does the right thing by backing out of the race so that a normal candidate can crush Trump. We know Trump won't do the right thing.

You say this as if young voters have ever experienced anything resembling normalcy. How old do you think they were when they became aware of politics? Do you think the Trump years conditioned them to expect normalcy - or to expect crisis?

If Trump and Biden represent the only versions of a POTUS a young person can recall, they will quickly discover the difference between Trump and Biden and normal when a normal candidate surfaces as a major party nominee. Any young person will immediately see the difference between Trump/Biden and an Obama, Romney, McCain, Kerry, Bush, Gore, Dole, Clinton.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting for him, or whoever the dem nominee is, no matter what.

That's intelligent.

As intelligent as MAGAs devoted to a convicted rapist and felon.

Agreed and I can't believe this is the choice we have. But I will vote for whoever is on the D ticket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting for him, or whoever the dem nominee is, no matter what.

That's intelligent.

As intelligent as MAGAs devoted to a convicted rapist and felon.

Agreed and I can't believe this is the choice we have. But I will vote for whoever is on the D ticket.

"D"emented ticket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who can laugh take Trump figuratively and those who hate him take him literally.

We'll see if we can laugh at all after four more years with him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting for him, or whoever the dem nominee is, no matter what.

That's intelligent.

As intelligent as MAGAs devoted to a convicted rapist and felon.

Agreed and I can't believe this is the choice we have. But I will vote for whoever is on the D ticket.

Let's hope Biden isn't on the D ticket so that enough people join you to defeat Trump in November. Is a 50 year egomaniac politician capable of doing the right thing in this circumstance? We'll find out. I think Biden has the decency in him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting for him, or whoever the dem nominee is, no matter what.

That's intelligent.

As intelligent as MAGAs devoted to a convicted rapist and felon.

Agreed and I can't believe this is the choice we have. But I will vote for whoever is on the D ticket.

Let's hope Biden isn't on the D ticket so that enough people join you to defeat Trump in November. Is a 50 year egomaniac politician capable of doing the right thing in this circumstance? We'll find out. I think Biden has the decency in him.

Do we even know if another candidate would fare better against Trump? I want data. LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting for him, or whoever the dem nominee is, no matter what.

That's intelligent.

As intelligent as MAGAs devoted to a convicted rapist and felon.

Agreed and I can't believe this is the choice we have. But I will vote for whoever is on the D ticket.

"D"emented ticket.

I guess you're voting for the "R"apist ticket, then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Voting for him, or whoever the dem nominee is, no matter what.

That's intelligent.

As intelligent as MAGAs devoted to a convicted rapist and felon.

Agreed and I can't believe this is the choice we have. But I will vote for whoever is on the D ticket.

Let's hope Biden isn't on the D ticket so that enough people join you to defeat Trump in November. Is a 50 year egomaniac politician capable of doing the right thing in this circumstance? We'll find out. I think Biden has the decency in him.

Do we even know if another candidate would fare better against Trump? I want data. LOL

Data? Put Biden, Trump and a normal candidate in front of swing voters. A minority of those swing voters would be careless enough to choose Trump or Biden. The majority would choose the normal candidate. How is this so difficult to understand? Do you think the majority of swing voters are idiots? Do you understand that swing voters are what will determine this election? Swing voters have been telling us for months if not years that they do not wish to vote for Trump or Biden. Listen to them or lose!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Young people and 1st time voters aren't predictable or reliable. In the case of the 2024 election, I can't see them being duped into voting for Trump or Biden like we'll see with so many of the older folks that refuse to admit they were wrong. They'll look at two elderly people that have no business being POTUS until 2029 on the major party tickets and most will vote 3rd party or choose not to vote at all. Can't say I blame them. Let's hope Biden drops out of the race so we don't have to worry about this.

But the 2022 and 2023 elections seem to counter your argument. Once abortion rigths are on the ballot, as they were in 2022 and 2023 in Kansas, Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia, the 18-35 demographics came out in record numbers. Many who had never voted, registered. And many who had been registered, but never voted, voted. And they came out about 60-85% in favor of the abortion rights issue. This year, you have a candidate who is beholden to his conservative base who will be pushed very hard by his die hard followers, to try and legislate and pass nationwide abortion bans. He has come out and said he would not push for that, but he has not said that if Congress sends him a bill, that he will not sign it. He's only said he will not push the legislation himself. Additionally, he has been known to frequently lie about his platform. He will say whatever is expedient and do whatever is in his own best interests, consistently. So, if Congress sends him a bill and it is in his best interest to sign it, he will sign it. If he can bargain some personal gain for himself, he'll sign it.

Young voters know very well that the Republican ticket will be advocating for and try hard to pass a national abortion ban law. And they know that Democrats will try to prevent that and secure more abortion rights nation-wide. And who is most impacted by having abortion rights? Those voters who are in their prime child-bearing years and who will have to make the most decisions about family planning, e.g. the 18-24 and 25-34 year old demographics. These are the people who will have to decide whether a child will completely change their lives and life plans, who will have to decide whether a child with severe complications will work for their family, whether the child is important enough to risk the mother's health and or life, and so on. They want to have the choice to do what is best based on what their doctor's recommend, so they want to have the options that families have had for the last 50 years.

Also remember that those who are under 26 were not eligible to vote in 2016 and those who are under 22 were not eligible to vote in 2020. There are a lot of people who have not had the option to weigh in on whether these candidates were the right choices, and now they do. And with one of the most important issues for themselves on the ballot, they'll come out to vote. Those demographics care much more about whether they have the personal right to make a choice about if, whether, or when to have a family than about immigration and illegal aliens.

I agree and all we need is a normal/viable Dem candidate to carry this momentum to a victory in the 2024 election. Let's pray Biden does the right thing.

But, even without changing candidates, I still think that the unregistered young demographics will do what they did in 2022 and 2023, they will come out and register to vote and will vote for the party platform that will protect their right to make bodily and reproductive decisions. There are very few young men who want to have a child and child obligations for living their lives, dating, and having sex with their partners. And there are very few young women who want to have their lives derailed because of failed contraception. And there are many young couples who do not want to be forced into a decision that is wrong for them, threatens their health or lives or forces them to do something that could destroy them financially, such as being forced to carry a child that will not survive more than a few weeks past birth, and be saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical costs that insurance will not fully cover.

These are the things that the critical young demographic can see and whether or not Biden is still on the ticket or not, they'll vote that way. There are relatively few unregistered voters or registered non-voters that are coming out to support the Republican party. Most of those (the fringe elements like gun advocates, domestic terrorist groups like Oath Breakers, Proud Boys, etc) came out in 2020, which is why Trump had record numbers. They are already accounted for and there aren't that many who are still going to come out.

But the youth vote did not come out because they are mostly politically apathetic. Until Roe v Wade happened. Now, they won't be so complacent, since an issue that is very important to them is on the ballot. They will come out just like they did in 2022 and 2023 to protect their own rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Young people and 1st time voters aren't predictable or reliable. In the case of the 2024 election, I can't see them being duped into voting for Trump or Biden like we'll see with so many of the older folks that refuse to admit they were wrong. They'll look at two elderly people that have no business being POTUS until 2029 on the major party tickets and most will vote 3rd party or choose not to vote at all. Can't say I blame them. Let's hope Biden drops out of the race so we don't have to worry about this.

But the 2022 and 2023 elections seem to counter your argument. Once abortion rigths are on the ballot, as they were in 2022 and 2023 in Kansas, Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia, the 18-35 demographics came out in record numbers. Many who had never voted, registered. And many who had been registered, but never voted, voted. And they came out about 60-85% in favor of the abortion rights issue. This year, you have a candidate who is beholden to his conservative base who will be pushed very hard by his die hard followers, to try and legislate and pass nationwide abortion bans. He has come out and said he would not push for that, but he has not said that if Congress sends him a bill, that he will not sign it. He's only said he will not push the legislation himself. Additionally, he has been known to frequently lie about his platform. He will say whatever is expedient and do whatever is in his own best interests, consistently. So, if Congress sends him a bill and it is in his best interest to sign it, he will sign it. If he can bargain some personal gain for himself, he'll sign it.

Young voters know very well that the Republican ticket will be advocating for and try hard to pass a national abortion ban law. And they know that Democrats will try to prevent that and secure more abortion rights nation-wide. And who is most impacted by having abortion rights? Those voters who are in their prime child-bearing years and who will have to make the most decisions about family planning, e.g. the 18-24 and 25-34 year old demographics. These are the people who will have to decide whether a child will completely change their lives and life plans, who will have to decide whether a child with severe complications will work for their family, whether the child is important enough to risk the mother's health and or life, and so on. They want to have the choice to do what is best based on what their doctor's recommend, so they want to have the options that families have had for the last 50 years.

Also remember that those who are under 26 were not eligible to vote in 2016 and those who are under 22 were not eligible to vote in 2020. There are a lot of people who have not had the option to weigh in on whether these candidates were the right choices, and now they do. And with one of the most important issues for themselves on the ballot, they'll come out to vote. Those demographics care much more about whether they have the personal right to make a choice about if, whether, or when to have a family than about immigration and illegal aliens.

I agree and all we need is a normal/viable Dem candidate to carry this momentum to a victory in the 2024 election. Let's pray Biden does the right thing.

But, even without changing candidates, I still think that the unregistered young demographics will do what they did in 2022 and 2023, they will come out and register to vote and will vote for the party platform that will protect their right to make bodily and reproductive decisions. There are very few young men who want to have a child and child obligations for living their lives, dating, and having sex with their partners. And there are very few young women who want to have their lives derailed because of failed contraception. And there are many young couples who do not want to be forced into a decision that is wrong for them, threatens their health or lives or forces them to do something that could destroy them financially, such as being forced to carry a child that will not survive more than a few weeks past birth, and be saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical costs that insurance will not fully cover.

These are the things that the critical young demographic can see and whether or not Biden is still on the ticket or not, they'll vote that way. There are relatively few unregistered voters or registered non-voters that are coming out to support the Republican party. Most of those (the fringe elements like gun advocates, domestic terrorist groups like Oath Breakers, Proud Boys, etc) came out in 2020, which is why Trump had record numbers. They are already accounted for and there aren't that many who are still going to come out.

But the youth vote did not come out because they are mostly politically apathetic. Until Roe v Wade happened. Now, they won't be so complacent, since an issue that is very important to them is on the ballot. They will come out just like they did in 2022 and 2023 to protect their own rights.

Really? What exactly are you saying? Would you rather Biden stay in the race with the hopes that enough young voters vote blue to give him a 50/50 chance of winning or would you rather Biden get out of the way so that we have a 99% chance of beating Trump? Do you enjoy excitement of a close presidential race so much that you'd risk handing Trump four more years in power? Not me. I think you're well meaning but misguided and you need to rethink what is most important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Yes, I do. My kid waited in line for 5 hours to vote in a swing state. I’m not sure that will happen this year. If you’re around GenZ you know what they’re saying. It’s not good. I don’t blame them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Yes, I do. My kid waited in line for 5 hours to vote in a swing state. I’m not sure that will happen this year. If you’re around GenZ you know what they’re saying. It’s not good. I don’t blame them.

Relax. As long as Biden does the right thing by stepping away from his pursuit for a second term, a majority of swing voters of all ages will be willing to do what is necessary to keep Trump from winning in November. I think Biden will do the right thing. If he doesn't, your fears are warranted.