Poll shows the debate only changed 7% of people's minds...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not wish this, but a hypothetical: If you woke up yesterday and Joe Biden had died, would you be surprised?

Chances are high, statistically speaking, that Biden won't be alive by the end of 2029.

Which makes the Harris thing even more infuriating. Put forward a competent VP. Voters are not dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not wish this, but a hypothetical: If you woke up yesterday and Joe Biden had died, would you be surprised?

Chances are high, statistically speaking, that Biden won't be alive by the end of 2029.

Which makes the Harris thing even more infuriating. Put forward a competent VP. Voters are not dumb.

There is a decent chance of both Trump and Biden being dead by 2029 but not a "high" chance statistically speaking. Obviously, neither should be elected POTUS in 2024.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not wish this, but a hypothetical: If you woke up yesterday and Joe Biden had died, would you be surprised?

Chances are high, statistically speaking, that Biden won't be alive by the end of 2029.

Which makes the Harris thing even more infuriating. Put forward a competent VP. Voters are not dumb.

There is a decent chance of both Trump and Biden being dead by 2029 but not a "high" chance statistically speaking. Obviously, neither should be elected POTUS in 2024.

Much higher for Biden than for Trump, you have to admit that.

It's going to be interesting to see who Trump names as VP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Young people and 1st time voters aren't predictable or reliable. In the case of the 2024 election, I can't see them being duped into voting for Trump or Biden like we'll see with so many of the older folks that refuse to admit they were wrong. They'll look at two elderly people that have no business being POTUS until 2029 on the major party tickets and most will vote 3rd party or choose not to vote at all. Can't say I blame them. Let's hope Biden drops out of the race so we don't have to worry about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Young people and 1st time voters aren't predictable or reliable. In the case of the 2024 election, I can't see them being duped into voting for Trump or Biden like we'll see with so many of the older folks that refuse to admit they were wrong. They'll look at two elderly people that have no business being POTUS until 2029 on the major party tickets and most will vote 3rd party or choose not to vote at all. Can't say I blame them. Let's hope Biden drops out of the race so we don't have to worry about this.

Not happening. You don’t think these young women don’t care about reproductive rights?

[Anonymous]

People whose primary voting concern is a peril were already accounted for in the pre debate polls. They were in the Biden camp, not undecideds in swing states.

[Anonymous]

^ Abortion not peril. No idea why spell check did that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It wasn’t ignorance. It’s just that we didn’t care if he had good days or bad days as an old man. Biden + his team have passed a sh#t ton of legislation.

DCUM is more likely to care about policy outcomes than your average internet hivemind.

Biden hasn’t passed legislation, he’s read a teleprompter while unknown individuals craft policy and make executive decisions.

Who cares as long as it’s not trumpets advisors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Young people and 1st time voters aren't predictable or reliable. In the case of the 2024 election, I can't see them being duped into voting for Trump or Biden like we'll see with so many of the older folks that refuse to admit they were wrong. They'll look at two elderly people that have no business being POTUS until 2029 on the major party tickets and most will vote 3rd party or choose not to vote at all. Can't say I blame them. Let's hope Biden drops out of the race so we don't have to worry about this.

Not happening. You don’t think these young women don’t care about reproductive rights?

Some do, some don't. No single issue will make young voters predictable or reliable. If Trump or Biden were running against a normal candidate, it is safe to say that a majority of the young people that do vote, will vote for the normal candidate. This is why we are hoping Biden does the right thing by backing out of the race so that a normal candidate can crush Trump. We know Trump won't do the right thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...about whether Biden is cognitively capable of being president.

65% saw him as unfit for office prior to the debate, and that only went up to 72%

https://mol.im/a/13585619

Notwithstanding this, the race is still tight, meaning that a sizable percentage of people (~20%) are okay voting for someone they view as cognitively unfit to lead the free world.

This is interesting because I got the impression from DCUM that there was widespread ignorance about Biden’s... let's call it affect. DCUM has consistently expressed a belief that Biden is spry and mentally agile, particularly when compared to his opponent Trump. While some DCUMers have since acknowledged that they ignored the signs, many are committed to a belief that either Biden is okay, or that his cognitive health is irrelevant to his job performance. By the numbers, this means DCUM is basically inhabited by among the most committed and perhaps extreme supporters on the left.

"Only" 7%? This makes it sound like a 7% shift is trivial. That is a big shift.

It definitely matters because it's a swing vote shift. 70% to 80% of all voters are the lower IQ sheep that will vote for any and all candidates put forth by their party of choice every election. It's the 20% to 30% of independent/uncommitted/swing voters that matter and 7% is a large chunk of those folks.

I doubt it is as high as 7%. Most people had their minds made up.

All of this ignores GenZ. Many of whom turned 18 after 2020. To those of us living with them (or not while they’re in college, many in swing states) it looks like they’ve been forgotten.

Do you remember the footage of college students lined up to vote during the mid term elections? They know what’s at stake and I doubt they will sit this one out.

Young people and 1st time voters aren't predictable or reliable. In the case of the 2024 election, I can't see them being duped into voting for Trump or Biden like we'll see with so many of the older folks that refuse to admit they were wrong. They'll look at two elderly people that have no business being POTUS until 2029 on the major party tickets and most will vote 3rd party or choose not to vote at all. Can't say I blame them. Let's hope Biden drops out of the race so we don't have to worry about this.

Not happening. You don’t think these young women don’t care about reproductive rights?

Some do, some don't. No single issue will make young voters predictable or reliable. If Trump or Biden were running against a normal candidate, it is safe to say that a majority of the young people that do vote, will vote for the normal candidate. This is why we are hoping Biden does the right thing by backing out of the race so that a normal candidate can crush Trump. We know Trump won't do the right thing.

You say this as if young voters have ever experienced anything resembling normalcy. How old do you think they were when they became aware of politics? Do you think the Trump years conditioned them to expect normalcy - or to expect crisis?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Voting for him, or whoever the dem nominee is, no matter what.

That's intelligent.

It is. Very. Biden will serve this country better than trump despite his age. That is the calculation for every voter. If you look at these two men and their administrations and choose trump, you are making a foolish choice.

Did you watch the debate? Trump stood there and spouted total nonsense for 90 minutes. He does not give a crap about this country.

I’m not sure you are right:

Economy / inflation - I don’t blame Biden for inflation (it’s the COVID hangover) but many voters do
Foreign wars - Biden is all in on continuing to send $$ out of the country
Hands off my body - SC justices will cling on for 4 more years

Also, I’m not convinced Biden is up for the challenge of beating Trump. I think any alternative D has a better chance.

Foreign wars - Biden is all in on continuing to send $$ out of the country

It is better than sending our young men and women overseas to fight these battles.

I suppose the GOP would rather just let Russia take Ukraine and then NATO countries and China to take Taiwan. That seems to be the rhetoric these days.

I should also add, the money isn't being sent out of the country. There aren't plats of cash being shipped abroad. the money is in the form of amrs produced in the US and then shipped abroad. So that is American jobs and American productivity.

We absolutely sent 6 million in cash to Iran.