NJ mayor who is running for Congress, opposed hiring Jews

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

I'll bet my life savings that no one has ever called the Amish "vermin", "a menace", or "scarier than the Mafia", three things Chasidim were called right on this board. (But they've all been deleted).

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This isn’t about Rockland County. The story is about a city in New Jersey.

as far as the “broader community counterinf the Jews” well I think that’s obviously a deeply problematic way to put it. nobody owns a community. the Hasidic people who move in and bring their customs have as much a right to be there as anyone. The fact that you disapprove or dislike them doesn’t give you the authority to “counter” them. When it comes to things like public institutions, it’s always give and take with different interest groups. You don’t just get to have things the way you want them because you dislike change.

What happened in parts of Rockland County is also happening in parts of New Jersey. Lakewood is one example.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Is there some reasons why people who aren't Chasids can't get equally involved in their local governments?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Is there some reasons why people who aren't Chasids can't get equally involved in their local governments?

They do get involved and they get jailed for doing the same things Chasids do with money. A black politician in Liden could never get away with it. Thats where the resentment comes

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

The Amish absolutely impact local governance - for example, through dry laws. And of course, getting democratically elected is not “taking control of local government.”

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Is there some reasons why people who aren't Chasids can't get equally involved in their local governments?

They do get involved and they get jailed for doing the same things Chasids do with money. A black politician in Liden could never get away with it. Thats where the resentment comes

that’s quite the take

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

+1 his comments were not about all Jewish people, they were about Hasidim.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

You don’t understand what these people are and what they do if you defend them.

They really are as bad as the Taliban.

Let me know when the ultra orthodox blow something up.

cough Kahane cough

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

By saying don’t hire or sell houses to the “guys in big hats”? Nah, we all know what that meant.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

+1 his comments were not about all Jewish people, they were about Hasidim.

For the millionth time, state & federal civil rights law do not allow you to bar people from public employment or home ownership because you dislike or even fear their religious group.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

“these people.” let’s make sure “these people” don’t buy houses in our town.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.

The Amish aren’t taking control of local government.

Generally the religious or ethnic makeup of a local populace is what’s reflected in the local government. You say this as if it’s some grand conspiracy. Rockland County has the largest Jewish population in the US. Of course the local government would have Jews as members.

And generally the point of the school board is to look out for the best interests of students with regards to public funds. the difference is these people use their big voting block to get on the school board and work against non jewish students by defunding and closing schools. i don’t see any other community doing this. not amish, not fundamental christian, not muslims. and to get back to the point of the thread, i would bet money this mayor doesn’t just hate jewish people, rather he doesn’t want soemthing like that to happen in his town

How many of the lowest performing school districts in NJ are “controlled by Jews”? Last time I checked Trenton schools weren’t doing so well.