NJ mayor who is running for Congress, opposed hiring Jews

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

Even if everything you’re saying is true (which it isn’t) why single out only Jews? Let’s ban Catholics from office while we’re at it. The local dioceses certainly have a political influence and there have been numerous catholic sex scandals.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Not that I agree, but if you listen to the podcast, the Hasidics wanted more SPED $ for their kids given the property taxes they were paying for years. The law says if those kids are getting the services, they needed to be in a public setting. They wanted to keep their kids in private so set about changing the law. Now that their kids were the majority of children in their district, they ran and got elected, found a lawyer who found a loophole.

How long will we be able the kingdom the way it is? In my community, for the kids who are now the majority, soccer is preferred to American football if they play a sport at all. Many of the girls don't play sports. How long before people decide they don't want the costs of sports their kids don't like or even play? Who is going to pay for the upkeep of football stadiums, uniforms &coaches, etc? They may prefer to spend the money on other things that benefit them. The 15-20% who enjoy things will eventually see them get dropped from budgets.

Yes, I know exactly what they did. And then they proceeded to effectively shut down the schools so that local kids in public schools could not even take enough core classes to graduate in 4 years. They removed the arts, athletics, electives, and fired teachers. It was completely and undeniably disgusting. I don't know how someone could support or even argue the benefits of shutting down a public school for local kids just becuase some religious fanatics wanted to take their tax money back. Too bad. Paying public school taxes is part of living in our civil society. If they don't like it, they can remove themselves to some far off compound. They offer zero benefits to society at large.

I agree. But there are majorities, as we have seen here, who don't hold the same values.

Do you believe governments should be inclusive and allow gay pride flags to be flown or should they ban the flags?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

yes, yes. let’s deny everyone of a certain religion housing and jobs because other members of their religion have broken the law. sounds very constitutional!

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This is about a public official openly saying he would refuse to hire someone due to their religion. That’s wrong if the person is Hasidic, Mormon, or anything else. Equating Hasids with the Taliban is something else …

Once again: the strength of your dislike of a religion does NOT mean you get to discriminate against those individuals in employment. Taking action against someone because you dislike their religion is literally the definition of discrimination.

I have no qualms about saying I dislike and have a bias against religious fundamentalists of all varieties. This is not about Judaism. It is about a bastardized offshoot.

Complaining about FLDS is not anti-Mormon. Complaining about the Westboro Baptist Church is not anti-Christian. Complaining about the Taliban is not anti-Muslim. Complaining about Bodu Bala Sena is not anti-Buddhist. Complaining about the RSS is not anti-Hindu. Complaining about the ultra-Orthodox is not anti-Jewish.

Actually, the majority of Jews, including myself, are the bastardized offshoots.

You are mistaken and should have more self-respect. The Haredi movement is an early 20th Century creation.

false, the roots go back much further: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic_Judaism

The modern development in Israel, US and UK began in the 20th century for obvious reasons.

The 18th Century, lol.

The modern development had to do with general late 19th Century/early 20th Century industrial era enlightenment social trends. It is nothing more than a reactionary retrograde movement of the same sort that has happened to all religions. Comparing it to ISIS is a bridge too far but the underlying sentiment of reclaiming a supposedely purer supposedly historical theology is the same. It is a rejection of secular modernity.

The foundations of Hasidic practice happened in the 1700s around the same time modern evangelism has its roots in the First Great Awakening. And of course the post-war growth in the US, UK and Israek is directly linked to the Holocaust.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Not that I agree, but if you listen to the podcast, the Hasidics wanted more SPED $ for their kids given the property taxes they were paying for years. The law says if those kids are getting the services, they needed to be in a public setting. They wanted to keep their kids in private so set about changing the law. Now that their kids were the majority of children in their district, they ran and got elected, found a lawyer who found a loophole.

How long will we be able the kingdom the way it is? In my community, for the kids who are now the majority, soccer is preferred to American football if they play a sport at all. Many of the girls don't play sports. How long before people decide they don't want the costs of sports their kids don't like or even play? Who is going to pay for the upkeep of football stadiums, uniforms &coaches, etc? They may prefer to spend the money on other things that benefit them. The 15-20% who enjoy things will eventually see them get dropped from budgets.

Yes, I know exactly what they did. And then they proceeded to effectively shut down the schools so that local kids in public schools could not even take enough core classes to graduate in 4 years. They removed the arts, athletics, electives, and fired teachers. It was completely and undeniably disgusting. I don't know how someone could support or even argue the benefits of shutting down a public school for local kids just becuase some religious fanatics wanted to take their tax money back. Too bad. Paying public school taxes is part of living in our civil society. If they don't like it, they can remove themselves to some far off compound. They offer zero benefits to society at large.

That’s one school district in an entirely different state, run by entirely different people. Not to mention that the state should take more responsibility if it disapproves of local governance.

This thread is about attempts to bar individuals of a certain group from employment & housing based on beliefs that their group is a threat. That’s literally the definition of invidious discrimination and it is wholly illegal. Linden is going to get their pants sued off. And the Linden school district has horrendous test scores now, so perhaps Mr Mayor ought not to throw stones.

And that sort of invidious discrimination is practiced by many, if not most, of the community.

Obviously a public official should have known better but the irony is that that was what he was responding to.

A religious community deciding on its own rules is not the same thing as a government official unlawfully discriminating. This is all basic stuff about our country.

Individual members of that community committing unlawful and invidious religious discrimination is also illegal and should not be handwaved away or excused.

Are you saying they should go to jail for having rules about their religion? What? Or is there something more specific here?

When their religious beliefs violates our civil and/or criminal laws, of course. Just because your religious doctrine says something does not mean that it supersedes our domestic rule of law. There is a wealth of child custody cases where religious beliefs were utilized to support child abuse, all of which were rejected by courts. In short, you cannot harm someone just because your god tells you to.

Ok well, that’s not what happened here. What happened here is that public officials appear to be conspiring to violate their civil rights. Child custody is a totally different matter with some interesting questions about religious arbitration (that actually come up much more often with Sharia).

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Not that I agree, but if you listen to the podcast, the Hasidics wanted more SPED $ for their kids given the property taxes they were paying for years. The law says if those kids are getting the services, they needed to be in a public setting. They wanted to keep their kids in private so set about changing the law. Now that their kids were the majority of children in their district, they ran and got elected, found a lawyer who found a loophole.

How long will we be able the kingdom the way it is? In my community, for the kids who are now the majority, soccer is preferred to American football if they play a sport at all. Many of the girls don't play sports. How long before people decide they don't want the costs of sports their kids don't like or even play? Who is going to pay for the upkeep of football stadiums, uniforms &coaches, etc? They may prefer to spend the money on other things that benefit them. The 15-20% who enjoy things will eventually see them get dropped from budgets.

Yes, I know exactly what they did. And then they proceeded to effectively shut down the schools so that local kids in public schools could not even take enough core classes to graduate in 4 years. They removed the arts, athletics, electives, and fired teachers. It was completely and undeniably disgusting. I don't know how someone could support or even argue the benefits of shutting down a public school for local kids just becuase some religious fanatics wanted to take their tax money back. Too bad. Paying public school taxes is part of living in our civil society. If they don't like it, they can remove themselves to some far off compound. They offer zero benefits to society at large.

That’s one school district in an entirely different state, run by entirely different people. Not to mention that the state should take more responsibility if it disapproves of local governance.

This thread is about attempts to bar individuals of a certain group from employment & housing based on beliefs that their group is a threat. That’s literally the definition of invidious discrimination and it is wholly illegal. Linden is going to get their pants sued off. And the Linden school district has horrendous test scores now, so perhaps Mr Mayor ought not to throw stones.

And that sort of invidious discrimination is practiced by many, if not most, of the community.

Obviously a public official should have known better but the irony is that that was what he was responding to.

A religious community deciding on its own rules is not the same thing as a government official unlawfully discriminating. This is all basic stuff about our country.

Individual members of that community committing unlawful and invidious religious discrimination is also illegal and should not be handwaved away or excused.

Are you saying they should go to jail for having rules about their religion? What? Or is there something more specific here?

Huh - I'm saying that the Hasidic community won't sell houses to non-Hasidem and that they won't hire non-Hasidem employees. That is what the Mayor was inappopriately talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

Even if everything you’re saying is true (which it isn’t) why single out only Jews? Let’s ban Catholics from office while we’re at it. The local dioceses certainly have a political influence and there have been numerous catholic sex scandals.

Sigh. If you had read upthread, pretty much every PP railed on against all ultra-right extremist sects, including the Taliban, Opus Dei, Westboro, LDS and others. And gave examples of why they were crazy. And yes, many of us opposed Barret at the SCOTUS precisely for her ultra-right, conservative Catholic views that would infringe the right of women and society at large. But yes, Jews are singled out, blah blah blah, even after pages of comparisons of Hasidim to other lunatic fringe sects. JFC you are dense. So yes, all of the above should be banned from positions of power becuase of the very real harm that their restrictive world views and punitive social structures have on their communities.

I have an idea. Go live in a Hasidic community. Let us know how your career and family life turns out. Oh, wait, you won't have internet access. Shame.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

Even if everything you’re saying is true (which it isn’t) why single out only Jews? Let’s ban Catholics from office while we’re at it. The local dioceses certainly have a political influence and there have been numerous catholic sex scandals.

Sigh. If you had read upthread, pretty much every PP railed on against all ultra-right extremist sects, including the Taliban, Opus Dei, Westboro, LDS and others. And gave examples of why they were crazy. And yes, many of us opposed Barret at the SCOTUS precisely for her ultra-right, conservative Catholic views that would infringe the right of women and society at large. But yes, Jews are singled out, blah blah blah, even after pages of comparisons of Hasidim to other lunatic fringe sects. JFC you are dense. So yes, all of the above should be banned from positions of power becuase of the very real harm that their restrictive world views and punitive social structures have on their communities.

I have an idea. Go live in a Hasidic community. Let us know how your career and family life turns out. Oh, wait, you won't have internet access. Shame.

You honestly believe that certain people should be “banned from positions of power” due to their religion? You’re just not a serious thinker are you.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

Even if everything you’re saying is true (which it isn’t) why single out only Jews? Let’s ban Catholics from office while we’re at it. The local dioceses certainly have a political influence and there have been numerous catholic sex scandals.

Sigh. If you had read upthread, pretty much every PP railed on against all ultra-right extremist sects, including the Taliban, Opus Dei, Westboro, LDS and others. And gave examples of why they were crazy. And yes, many of us opposed Barret at the SCOTUS precisely for her ultra-right, conservative Catholic views that would infringe the right of women and society at large. But yes, Jews are singled out, blah blah blah, even after pages of comparisons of Hasidim to other lunatic fringe sects. JFC you are dense. So yes, all of the above should be banned from positions of power becuase of the very real harm that their restrictive world views and punitive social structures have on their communities.

I have an idea. Go live in a Hasidic community. Let us know how your career and family life turns out. Oh, wait, you won't have internet access. Shame.

I’m chatting online with my Hasidic cousin as we speak. What are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

Even if everything you’re saying is true (which it isn’t) why single out only Jews? Let’s ban Catholics from office while we’re at it. The local dioceses certainly have a political influence and there have been numerous catholic sex scandals.

Sigh. If you had read upthread, pretty much every PP railed on against all ultra-right extremist sects, including the Taliban, Opus Dei, Westboro, LDS and others. And gave examples of why they were crazy. And yes, many of us opposed Barret at the SCOTUS precisely for her ultra-right, conservative Catholic views that would infringe the right of women and society at large. But yes, Jews are singled out, blah blah blah, even after pages of comparisons of Hasidim to other lunatic fringe sects. JFC you are dense. So yes, all of the above should be banned from positions of power becuase of the very real harm that their restrictive world views and punitive social structures have on their communities.

I have an idea. Go live in a Hasidic community. Let us know how your career and family life turns out. Oh, wait, you won't have internet access. Shame.

You honestly believe that certain people should be “banned from positions of power” due to their religion? You’re just not a serious thinker are you.

When their religion is centered on denying education and equal rights to half the population, absolutely. Furthermore, the Hasidic community don't even engage in gainful employment. Their unemployment and poverty rates are significantly higher than the regular population. But, of course, this poverty is used to their advantage as they rely heavily on government funding by way of tax refunds, food stamps, Medicaid. In sum, they are a massive drain on local economies and budgets without giving anything in return. Any serious thinker would look at this group and worry.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

Even if everything you’re saying is true (which it isn’t) why single out only Jews? Let’s ban Catholics from office while we’re at it. The local dioceses certainly have a political influence and there have been numerous catholic sex scandals.

Sigh. If you had read upthread, pretty much every PP railed on against all ultra-right extremist sects, including the Taliban, Opus Dei, Westboro, LDS and others. And gave examples of why they were crazy. And yes, many of us opposed Barret at the SCOTUS precisely for her ultra-right, conservative Catholic views that would infringe the right of women and society at large. But yes, Jews are singled out, blah blah blah, even after pages of comparisons of Hasidim to other lunatic fringe sects. JFC you are dense. So yes, all of the above should be banned from positions of power becuase of the very real harm that their restrictive world views and punitive social structures have on their communities.

I have an idea. Go live in a Hasidic community. Let us know how your career and family life turns out. Oh, wait, you won't have internet access. Shame.

I’m chatting online with my Hasidic cousin as we speak. What are you talking about?

Oh, there we have it. I had a feeling that this PP running to combat ever factual post about the community was not in partial but in fact a part of the community herself. Yeah, you are fooling no one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

Even if everything you’re saying is true (which it isn’t) why single out only Jews? Let’s ban Catholics from office while we’re at it. The local dioceses certainly have a political influence and there have been numerous catholic sex scandals.

Sigh. If you had read upthread, pretty much every PP railed on against all ultra-right extremist sects, including the Taliban, Opus Dei, Westboro, LDS and others. And gave examples of why they were crazy. And yes, many of us opposed Barret at the SCOTUS precisely for her ultra-right, conservative Catholic views that would infringe the right of women and society at large. But yes, Jews are singled out, blah blah blah, even after pages of comparisons of Hasidim to other lunatic fringe sects. JFC you are dense. So yes, all of the above should be banned from positions of power becuase of the very real harm that their restrictive world views and punitive social structures have on their communities.

I have an idea. Go live in a Hasidic community. Let us know how your career and family life turns out. Oh, wait, you won't have internet access. Shame.

I’m chatting online with my Hasidic cousin as we speak. What are you talking about?

+1000. Hasidic Jews definitely have the internet and cellphones. They may be kosher and have search filters on them but they do have them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

Even if everything you’re saying is true (which it isn’t) why single out only Jews? Let’s ban Catholics from office while we’re at it. The local dioceses certainly have a political influence and there have been numerous catholic sex scandals.

Sigh. If you had read upthread, pretty much every PP railed on against all ultra-right extremist sects, including the Taliban, Opus Dei, Westboro, LDS and others. And gave examples of why they were crazy. And yes, many of us opposed Barret at the SCOTUS precisely for her ultra-right, conservative Catholic views that would infringe the right of women and society at large. But yes, Jews are singled out, blah blah blah, even after pages of comparisons of Hasidim to other lunatic fringe sects. JFC you are dense. So yes, all of the above should be banned from positions of power becuase of the very real harm that their restrictive world views and punitive social structures have on their communities.

I have an idea. Go live in a Hasidic community. Let us know how your career and family life turns out. Oh, wait, you won't have internet access. Shame.

I’m chatting online with my Hasidic cousin as we speak. What are you talking about?

Oh, there we have it. I had a feeling that this PP running to combat ever factual post about the community was not in partial but in fact a part of the community herself. Yeah, you are fooling no one.

I’m not part of the community, my cousin is. And she has Internet access.
That is my one and only contribution to this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing Hasidim to the Taliban. They might look funny and have offensive views, but they're not killing anybody.

But there are numerous reports of illegal activities, robbing government institutions, pedophilia rings, and the like. You keep reporting these post because you don't want it exposed. NJ is totally in the right here. But whatever fees your hard right extremist religious narrative, I guess. Next you'll be arguing why it is right to refuse women the right to work, and why children should be barred from studying math and literature.Bringing back the 15th century is harmful to society. The rest of us all know this.

Even if everything you’re saying is true (which it isn’t) why single out only Jews? Let’s ban Catholics from office while we’re at it. The local dioceses certainly have a political influence and there have been numerous catholic sex scandals.

Sigh. If you had read upthread, pretty much every PP railed on against all ultra-right extremist sects, including the Taliban, Opus Dei, Westboro, LDS and others. And gave examples of why they were crazy. And yes, many of us opposed Barret at the SCOTUS precisely for her ultra-right, conservative Catholic views that would infringe the right of women and society at large. But yes, Jews are singled out, blah blah blah, even after pages of comparisons of Hasidim to other lunatic fringe sects. JFC you are dense. So yes, all of the above should be banned from positions of power becuase of the very real harm that their restrictive world views and punitive social structures have on their communities.

I have an idea. Go live in a Hasidic community. Let us know how your career and family life turns out. Oh, wait, you won't have internet access. Shame.

I’m chatting online with my Hasidic cousin as we speak. What are you talking about?

Oh, there we have it. I had a feeling that this PP running to combat ever factual post about the community was not in partial but in fact a part of the community herself. Yeah, you are fooling no one.

Is there something wrong with a person associated with the community standing up for them? Again - discrimination by definition is by outsiders. The more you post the more hateful you reveal yourself to be against this group of Jewish people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the context is what has happened in other school districts like in rockland county. the jews all vote en bloc, they put a bunch of jewish people on the school board and completely defund the public schools and funnel money to private schools (their kids go to private religious school). Its absolutely horrifying and i don't blame this guy for not wanting it in his town.

Is this true? It’s so good that people know about this and are aware it can happen!! This is why freedom of speech is vitally important!!!