NJ mayor who is running for Congress, opposed hiring Jews

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

The minute any of these Hasidic groups moved into my community, I would run. They destroy everything that they touch, including public education and public services. It is absolutely disgusting

Like vermin, huh

Like religious fundamentalists who don't believe in education but instead of syphoning public funds for their own use. Like E Ramapo. So yes, I would absolutely f-ing run. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/534/a-not-so-simple-majority
You can pretend it doesn't happen but it is a hugely problematic issue for communities in NY/NJ - particularly underserved communities who don't have the means to fight for themselves.

How long will that 12 year old podcast episode get trotted out to defend rank antisemitism?

This is what gets me about "antisemitism". You know there is something deeply wrong in the ultra orthodox, extremist community. And yet you cannot condemn it because to point out any wrong doing by people of the Jewish faith is "antisemitic". But I have no doubt that you could give me a laundry list of all of the evil deeds committed by the Taliban without thinking twice about Islamophobia. The truth is that religious extremism is a hot bed for criminal activity. This has been true for centuries and across all faiths.

And the communities in E Ramapo got away with everything that they did for years precisely becuase people were to scared to speak up for fear of PPs like above labeling them as antisemitic. Luckily, I think that era has officially come to a close. You can say whatever the hell you want. It doesn't change the disgusting criminal nature of many of these religious extremists.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

The minute any of these Hasidic groups moved into my community, I would run. They destroy everything that they touch, including public education and public services. It is absolutely disgusting

Like vermin, huh

Hasidics are not the same as secular Jews. They’re an extremist religious sect which is absolutely fine but they should not use religion to wield power over public/government funds .

Do you think Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam or a Salafist/ Islamist Arab can control majority black Newark or Arab Paterson NJ for example and take public tax money for their exploits ? Of course not. The people wouldn’t stand for fringe religious extremists running politics

Again - this is about a mayor being caught red-handed saying not to hire or sell houses to Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

The minute any of these Hasidic groups moved into my community, I would run. They destroy everything that they touch, including public education and public services. It is absolutely disgusting

Like vermin, huh

Like religious fundamentalists who don't believe in education but instead of syphoning public funds for their own use. Like E Ramapo. So yes, I would absolutely f-ing run. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/534/a-not-so-simple-majority
You can pretend it doesn't happen but it is a hugely problematic issue for communities in NY/NJ - particularly underserved communities who don't have the means to fight for themselves.

How long will that 12 year old podcast episode get trotted out to defend rank antisemitism?

This is what gets me about "antisemitism". You know there is something deeply wrong in the ultra orthodox, extremist community. And yet you cannot condemn it because to point out any wrong doing by people of the Jewish faith is "antisemitic". But I have no doubt that you could give me a laundry list of all of the evil deeds committed by the Taliban without thinking twice about Islamophobia. The truth is that religious extremism is a hot bed for criminal activity. This has been true for centuries and across all faiths.

And the communities in E Ramapo got away with everything that they did for years precisely becuase people were to scared to speak up for fear of PPs like above labeling them as antisemitic. Luckily, I think that era has officially come to a close. You can say whatever the hell you want. It doesn't change the disgusting criminal nature of many of these religious extremists.

Where did I give my opinion on Hasidic communities? Nowhere. Because it’s irrelevant. No matter how much I disapprove of their beliefs I cannot say the government should bar them from buying homes or getting jobs in my community.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

They illegally stripped low income black and brown children of their right to education. They took away their schooling, eliminated curriculum and the arts. They usurped public buildings and spaces for themselves and siphoned public funds. That is illegal activity.
Cry discrimination all you want. There is a clear reason why there is so much blowback. The Hasidim are no different than the Taliban. But I'm willing to bet that you would not be on this board crying about anti-discrimination laws when we called for the Taliban to be removed from school boards. Your hypocrisy is too much.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

You don’t understand what these people are and what they do if you defend them.

They really are as bad as the Taliban.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This isn’t about Rockland County. The story is about a city in New Jersey.

as far as the “broader community counterinf the Jews” well I think that’s obviously a deeply problematic way to put it. nobody owns a community. the Hasidic people who move in and bring their customs have as much a right to be there as anyone. The fact that you disapprove or dislike them doesn’t give you the authority to “counter” them. When it comes to things like public institutions, it’s always give and take with different interest groups. You don’t just get to have things the way you want them because you dislike change.

The end result is that this sect will be running things with an emphasis on private schooling and destroying the public schools(source: this thread). You say this should not be countered because it would be discrimination. You must accept what other people want and not push for what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

They illegally stripped low income black and brown children of their right to education. They took away their schooling, eliminated curriculum and the arts. They usurped public buildings and spaces for themselves and siphoned public funds. That is illegal activity.
Cry discrimination all you want. There is a clear reason why there is so much blowback. The Hasidim are no different than the Taliban. But I'm willing to bet that you would not be on this board crying about anti-discrimination laws when we called for the Taliban to be removed from school boards. Your hypocrisy is too much.

“they” “they” “they”. so for supposed crimes (that you listened to a 10 year old podcast about) in a different state, all Hasidic people should be barred from public employment in Linden, NJ?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

This isn’t about Rockland County. The story is about a city in New Jersey.

as far as the “broader community counterinf the Jews” well I think that’s obviously a deeply problematic way to put it. nobody owns a community. the Hasidic people who move in and bring their customs have as much a right to be there as anyone. The fact that you disapprove or dislike them doesn’t give you the authority to “counter” them. When it comes to things like public institutions, it’s always give and take with different interest groups. You don’t just get to have things the way you want them because you dislike change.

The end result is that this sect will be running things with an emphasis on private schooling and destroying the public schools(source: this thread). You say this should not be countered because it would be discrimination. You must accept what other people want and not push for what you want.

You can “counter” it in the way citizens counter anything in a democracy - through elections, participation, organizing. Not through unlawful discrimination based on the belief that an individual is inherently bad due to their religious affiliation.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

They illegally stripped low income black and brown children of their right to education. They took away their schooling, eliminated curriculum and the arts. They usurped public buildings and spaces for themselves and siphoned public funds. That is illegal activity.
Cry discrimination all you want. There is a clear reason why there is so much blowback. The Hasidim are no different than the Taliban. But I'm willing to bet that you would not be on this board crying about anti-discrimination laws when we called for the Taliban to be removed from school boards. Your hypocrisy is too much.

“they” “they” “they”. so for supposed crimes (that you listened to a 10 year old podcast about) in a different state, all Hasidic people should be barred from public employment in Linden, NJ?

Absolutely. I would be glad to see Hasidic removed from any public positions of power - or have that employment conditioned on their ability to protect and serve the general public and not be utilized as a mechanism to enforce religious restrictions or discriminatory practices on the public at large.

And no, it is not based on one podcast. There are countless reports of the failing Hasidic schools, abuse of food stamps and public funds, takeover of low income housing communities, and the like. I highly doubt that you are ignorant of any of these.

So good for NJ.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

They illegally stripped low income black and brown children of their right to education. They took away their schooling, eliminated curriculum and the arts. They usurped public buildings and spaces for themselves and siphoned public funds. That is illegal activity.
Cry discrimination all you want. There is a clear reason why there is so much blowback. The Hasidim are no different than the Taliban. But I'm willing to bet that you would not be on this board crying about anti-discrimination laws when we called for the Taliban to be removed from school boards. Your hypocrisy is too much.

The Taliban that regularly murders people?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

They illegally stripped low income black and brown children of their right to education. They took away their schooling, eliminated curriculum and the arts. They usurped public buildings and spaces for themselves and siphoned public funds. That is illegal activity.
Cry discrimination all you want. There is a clear reason why there is so much blowback. The Hasidim are no different than the Taliban. But I'm willing to bet that you would not be on this board crying about anti-discrimination laws when we called for the Taliban to be removed from school boards. Your hypocrisy is too much.

“they” “they” “they”. so for supposed crimes (that you listened to a 10 year old podcast about) in a different state, all Hasidic people should be barred from public employment in Linden, NJ?

Absolutely. I would be glad to see Hasidic removed from any public positions of power - or have that employment conditioned on their ability to protect and serve the general public and not be utilized as a mechanism to enforce religious restrictions or discriminatory practices on the public at large.

And no, it is not based on one podcast. There are countless reports of the failing Hasidic schools, abuse of food stamps and public funds, takeover of low income housing communities, and the like. I highly doubt that you are ignorant of any of these.

So good for NJ.

This is going to result in a massive DOJ lawsuit and settlement for Linden. So good job, I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

You don’t understand what these people are and what they do if you defend them.

They really are as bad as the Taliban.

Let me know when the ultra orthodox blow something up.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

The law already has ways to handle the balance between religious accomodations and other interests. Allowing reasonable accomodations in the form of say a few hours of gender-segregated pools, is totally fine as well as its done fairly.

That's not a reasonable accomodation and you would be up in arms, as would I, if fundamentalist Muslims enacted that in an American community. I am not afraid of menstruation.

Gender segregated pool hours are already upheld in many places as a religious accomodation, which is a neutral principle of civil rights laws.

And of course the fact that you disagree with a person’s religious beliefs doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them in hiring. How many times does this need to be repeated?

Exactly. Just because someone is a Reform Jew or any other religion does not mean they can be discriminated against.

Anti-discrimination laws generally apply to the government, employers, and providers of “public accomodations” (eg hotels and restaurants.) A religious group is of course free to discriminate as are individuals.

Of course. Every house is a religious institution, nobody is married, and no income is declared because it's a religious group.

are you saying because you believe negative tropes about jews that it’s ok to refuse to hire jews?

Not Jews. A supremacist religious fundamentalist sub sect no different than the Taliban, Westboro Baptist Church, or FLDS.

Those things are also all true for this fundamentalist offshoot.

How can or should the broader community of Rockland County counter this group in a way that's acceptable to you?

+1. Many of these PPs have no problem screaming down Westboro Baptist Church, Mormon groups, Branch Davidians, or similarly extremist lunatics, but when it comes to the extremist Hasidim, they are appalled.
As a private employer, I would never hire any of the above. Religious extremism in all of its forms is detrimental to a democratic, educated society. And the Hasidim have proved again and again that they are intent on destroying it.

Wow OK. That’s a bit extreme. Just because they send their kids to religious schools?

You clearly have not been keeping up. Because Hasidim have purposefully taken over school boards to shut down public schools in low income areas thereby relieving their property tax. And because 99% of Hasidic boys and girls fail NY standardized tests in English and Math. Why? Because they do not teach substantive areas of education - only Torah. And you may have missed the horrible reports of abuse by on children and women.

This isn't just a "oh, they go to private schools". Dude, keep up.

Just because you disagree with their views on education doesn’t mean it’s OK for a government official to openly encourage discrimination against them. You’re so entrenched in your disgust that you fail to see that this type of reflexive disgust against a minority group is exactly why we need anti-discrimination laws. We KNOW you hate Hasidic people and are disgusted by them congregating, taking political power, and changing how your community looks. That type of disgust is why anti-discrimination laws exist.

They illegally stripped low income black and brown children of their right to education. They took away their schooling, eliminated curriculum and the arts. They usurped public buildings and spaces for themselves and siphoned public funds. That is illegal activity.
Cry discrimination all you want. There is a clear reason why there is so much blowback. The Hasidim are no different than the Taliban. But I'm willing to bet that you would not be on this board crying about anti-discrimination laws when we called for the Taliban to be removed from school boards. Your hypocrisy is too much.

“they” “they” “they”. so for supposed crimes (that you listened to a 10 year old podcast about) in a different state, all Hasidic people should be barred from public employment in Linden, NJ?

Absolutely. I would be glad to see Hasidic removed from any public positions of power - or have that employment conditioned on their ability to protect and serve the general public and not be utilized as a mechanism to enforce religious restrictions or discriminatory practices on the public at large.

And no, it is not based on one podcast. There are countless reports of the failing Hasidic schools, abuse of food stamps and public funds, takeover of low income housing communities, and the like. I highly doubt that you are ignorant of any of these.

So good for NJ.

This is going to result in a massive DOJ lawsuit and settlement for Linden. So good job, I guess.

(I mean a settlement that Linden has to pay - similar to many such settlements.)

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I wonder if the people her who have such disdain for the Hasidic Jews feel the same way about the Amish. The Amish send their kids to religious private school and they only get schooled up until 8th grade. The state allows this because they consider working vocational training. If you were to give an Amish child a standardized test they’d probably fail it and their first language is also not English. In places with large Amish populations the school district suffers a lack of sufficient public school funding because they don’t have enough students attending to reasonably support the school.