NJ mayor who is running for Congress, opposed hiring Jews

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't much matter what his reasoning is.

If he is not hiring people simply because they are Jewish, he is breaking the law.

What I was trying to tell you was that they have their own sub-definition and almost all the Jews you know of do not qualify. Word choice matters and means something. This isn't a Jewish thing. It's a Hasidic thing.

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Are you Jewish, may I ask? It’s anti-semitism regardless of whether you think it applies to the “bad” Jews only.

No it isn't. And it is ironic that you would say so. Because defining all of Judaism by one fundamentalist sect's radical interpretation of it is.

way to miss the point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

How is that ANY different from any other type of xenophobia? What’s wrong with women-only hours at the pool, as long as they are equal to men-only hours?

Separate but equal you say?

If it was a public pool it should also have co-ed hours but there’s nothing wrong with it otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the context is what has happened in other school districts like in rockland county. the jews all vote en bloc, they put a bunch of jewish people on the school board and completely defund the public schools and funnel money to private schools (their kids go to private religious school). Its absolutely horrifying and i don't blame this guy for not wanting it in his town.

If they are engaged in fraud that can be addressed through the proper channels. The rest is just pure anti-semitism.

Thats the problem. Its not fraud and its not illegal. They legally have the right to vote who they want on the school board, and the school board has the right to determine funding. What they are doing however is clearly unethical. I'm assuming this mayor doesn't want to end up with a bunch of hasidics on the school board doing the same thing in his town. Its not that he hates jewish people - he has seen what happens in other areas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the context is what has happened in other school districts like in rockland county. the jews all vote en bloc, they put a bunch of jewish people on the school board and completely defund the public schools and funnel money to private schools (their kids go to private religious school). Its absolutely horrifying and i don't blame this guy for not wanting it in his town.

If they are engaged in fraud that can be addressed through the proper channels. The rest is just pure anti-semitism.

Thats the problem. Its not fraud and its not illegal. They legally have the right to vote who they want on the school board, and the school board has the right to determine funding. What they are doing however is clearly unethical. I'm assuming this mayor doesn't want to end up with a bunch of hasidics on the school board doing the same thing in his town. Its not that he hates jewish people - he has seen what happens in other areas.

If you cannot see that that is blatantly antisemitic and illegal, not sure what to tell you. The fact that you believe the discrimination is justified based in your negative viewpoint of “a bunch of hasidics” makes it worse, not better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't much matter what his reasoning is.

If he is not hiring people simply because they are Jewish, he is breaking the law.

What I was trying to tell you was that they have their own sub-definition and almost all the Jews you know of do not qualify. Word choice matters and means something. This isn't a Jewish thing. It's a Hasidic thing.

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Are you Jewish, may I ask? It’s anti-semitism regardless of whether you think it applies to the “bad” Jews only.

No it isn't. And it is ironic that you would say so. Because defining all of Judaism by one fundamentalist sect's radical interpretation of it is.

way to miss the point.

You're right, but there is a lot of context

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't much matter what his reasoning is.

If he is not hiring people simply because they are Jewish, he is breaking the law.

What I was trying to tell you was that they have their own sub-definition and almost all the Jews you know of do not qualify. Word choice matters and means something. This isn't a Jewish thing. It's a Hasidic thing.

+1

Are you Jewish, may I ask? It’s anti-semitism regardless of whether you think it applies to the “bad” Jews only.

No it isn't. And it is ironic that you would say so. Because defining all of Judaism by one fundamentalist sect's radical interpretation of it is.

way to miss the point.

You're right, but there is a lot of context

Context involving prejudice against a religious group. “Context” cannot justify discrimination, end of story. There are no exceptions to the prohibition against discrimination in hiring based on religion. There’s more nuance when it comes to religious accomodations, but NOT hiring. The fact that you think Hasidic people are different, that you disapprove of their culture and religious beliefs, that you wish there were not so many of them, that you resent their choices - is NOT justification for illegal discrimination. I’m not sure what you think illegal discrimination is - do you think it only applies where you personally like the victim?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

+100. SMH at people who think that because a certain ethnic or religious group is “divisive,” that somehow justifies discrimination against them. Newsflash- discrimination happens BECAUSE “discrete and insular minorities” are targets. I feel like people here have an absolutely delusional belief about discrimination as being something only evil people do against blameless minorities.

I’m sure that the rapid changes in a community can present a cultural challenge and there can certainly be areas where the unfamiliar groups’ practices do impact public institutions in a way that has to be addressed to ensure fairness - the school busing issue is one. But no, you cannot refuse to hire a Hasidic jew due to the “context” of you disapproving of Hasidic jews.

[Anonymous]

Wait a minute. This group you're talking about discriminates against everyone else. Two wrongs don't make a right but these are not innocent victims.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait a minute. This group you're talking about discriminates against everyone else. Two wrongs don't make a right but these are not innocent victims.

ffs people. when it comes to discrimination based on religion or another protected characteristic, there is no such thing as a “guilty victim.” this is the POINT - no matter how much you dislike a group, whatever you believe “they” do, when it comes to hiring (especially by the government) you CANNOT discriminate. “I can discriminate against you because I don’t like your religion” is obviously backwards. Discrimination happens *because* a group is disliked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

DP. Do you actually have trouble understanding this? A government (or any employer) cannot refuse to hire someone due to their religion. Even if they believe the religion is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

DP. Do you actually have trouble understanding this? A government (or any employer) cannot refuse to hire someone due to their religion. Even if they believe the religion is wrong.

Right. A government cannot discriminate based on gender or religion. Which brings us back to pools and buses. A private employer also cannot discriminate which brings us back to the business practices of the Hasidic community.

You are claiming that their discrimination is good but discriminating against them is bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a very divisive cultural issue in NJ. I don't think most people on this thread understand the cultural dynamics at play unless they have lived in NJ at some point. Many people are very scared that a large influx of a population with very different social viewpoints (than the current residents) will create an environment that is hostile to their general way of life. People are also concerned about potential risks to women's rights due to religious beliefs regarding gender segregation. There are literally pools in NJ now that have mens only and women's only swimming hours (or even entire days). I am not sure what the solution is, but it will be very challenging to find a solution that is acceptable for both conservative religious groups the generally more secular residents currently in these NJ towns.

Ok, again, just because the minority became the majority and made some societal changes to support their conservative values doesn't make discrimination ok just because it makes you uncomfortable. Just use the pool at hours designated for you.

Discrimination is not ok but discrimination and segregation is also ok? Make up your mind

I'm saying the majority now ruling believes that genders should be separated. BTW Hasidics are not the only ones who do this. I think segregation is wrong but if I lived there I would have to fight it or move.

It still would not be right for me to discriminate to keep them off the school board or city government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-a-ny-town-increasing-haredi-influence-turns-a-school-board-into-a-battleground/

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/534/transcript

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/nyregion/hasidic-yeshivas-schools-new-york.html

for the previous poster asking for proof. it would be horrifying for you if you bought a house there and were trying to send your kids to public schools that had been completely defunded by these radicals.

Nobody is stating what’s actually happening. The majority in the county do not send their kids to public schools which they have every right to do. This has caused school funding to decline. Additionally they vote not to raise property taxes to make up for the deficits due to the high private school enrollment.

Indeed. A group of segregationist religious fundamentalists moved there en masse and took over local politics. They then embarked on a series of hostile bureaucratic acts against the previous inhabitants designed to push them out and make it unattractive for secularists to live there.

Public funded segregated buses in 21st Century America. Does anything else really need to be said.

Seems to be a pattern.