What Does FCPS Do with Excess Capacity at Herndon HS

[Anonymous]

When you get to HHS you’ll see PP is right.

[Anonymous]

Don’t tell me what to think. And don’t be a paternalistic jerk. I don’t want Forestville kids anywhere near my school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No offense but it’s not the schools that are good, it’s the kids. If you redistrict Langley kids to another school, the other school will increase by that amount. Schools are such a tiny part of academic achievement (meaning they all teach roughly the same). It’s mostly parents.

Bingo. Thats exactly why considering how to efficiently use available space and minimize transportation costs where possible likely makes sense.

Nah, I don’t but your zero-sum game utopia, and I’m not interested in theory-testing with my kids being your lab rats. Also, it’s a little racist/classist for you to claim that Forestville students would make Herndon High better.

First, it’s not a zero-sum game if we spend scarce capital resources expanding schools but don’t use that space because it might offend some entitled Langley mom. It’s a net negative.

Second, if Forestville kids moved back to Langley, it would increase the demand for advanced courses that Herndon is otherwise fully capable of offering. There’s nothing racist in acknowledging this. But I guess you’re fine with a situation where scheduling conflicts are more likely to be an issue at Herndon than at other schools.

DS at HMS, and even I think your Forestville efforts are pretty racist.

This is hilarious. No one on either side wants the equity crusader meddling in their schools. Go back to worrying about your own kids’ education, rather than social engineering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t tell me what to think. And don’t be a paternalistic jerk. I don’t want Forestville kids anywhere near my school.

Testament to how Langley parents have decided to best way to preserve the status quo is to be so unpleasant that no one wants Langley kids at their school or their kids moved to Langley.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t tell me what to think. And don’t be a paternalistic jerk. I don’t want Forestville kids anywhere near my school.

Testament to how Langley parents have decided to best way to preserve the status quo is to be so unpleasant that no one wants Langley kids at their school or their kids moved to Langley.

Sounds good to me! No one wants your meddling. Bye-bye!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No offense but it’s not the schools that are good, it’s the kids. If you redistrict Langley kids to another school, the other school will increase by that amount. Schools are such a tiny part of academic achievement (meaning they all teach roughly the same). It’s mostly parents.

Bingo. Thats exactly why considering how to efficiently use available space and minimize transportation costs where possible likely makes sense.

Nah, I don’t but your zero-sum game utopia, and I’m not interested in theory-testing with my kids being your lab rats. Also, it’s a little racist/classist for you to claim that Forestville students would make Herndon High better.

First, it’s not a zero-sum game if we spend scarce capital resources expanding schools but don’t use that space because it might offend some entitled Langley mom. It’s a net negative.

Second, if Forestville kids moved back to Langley, it would increase the demand for advanced courses that Herndon is otherwise fully capable of offering. There’s nothing racist in acknowledging this. But I guess you’re fine with a situation where scheduling conflicts are more likely to be an issue at Herndon than at other schools.

DS at HMS, and even I think your Forestville efforts are pretty racist.

This is hilarious. No one on either side wants the equity crusader meddling in their schools. Go back to worrying about your own kids’ education, rather than social engineering.

Efficient use of facilities and reducing transportation costs is not social engineering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No offense but it’s not the schools that are good, it’s the kids. If you redistrict Langley kids to another school, the other school will increase by that amount. Schools are such a tiny part of academic achievement (meaning they all teach roughly the same). It’s mostly parents.

Bingo. Thats exactly why considering how to efficiently use available space and minimize transportation costs where possible likely makes sense.

Nah, I don’t but your zero-sum game utopia, and I’m not interested in theory-testing with my kids being your lab rats. Also, it’s a little racist/classist for you to claim that Forestville students would make Herndon High better.

First, it’s not a zero-sum game if we spend scarce capital resources expanding schools but don’t use that space because it might offend some entitled Langley mom. It’s a net negative.

Second, if Forestville kids moved back to Langley, it would increase the demand for advanced courses that Herndon is otherwise fully capable of offering. There’s nothing racist in acknowledging this. But I guess you’re fine with a situation where scheduling conflicts are more likely to be an issue at Herndon than at other schools.

DS at HMS, and even I think your Forestville efforts are pretty racist.

This is hilarious. No one on either side wants the equity crusader meddling in their schools. Go back to worrying about your own kids’ education, rather than social engineering.

+1. This just eviscerated the original poster. So embarrassing for her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No offense but it’s not the schools that are good, it’s the kids. If you redistrict Langley kids to another school, the other school will increase by that amount. Schools are such a tiny part of academic achievement (meaning they all teach roughly the same). It’s mostly parents.

Bingo. Thats exactly why considering how to efficiently use available space and minimize transportation costs where possible likely makes sense.

Nah, I don’t but your zero-sum game utopia, and I’m not interested in theory-testing with my kids being your lab rats. Also, it’s a little racist/classist for you to claim that Forestville students would make Herndon High better.

First, it’s not a zero-sum game if we spend scarce capital resources expanding schools but don’t use that space because it might offend some entitled Langley mom. It’s a net negative.

Second, if Forestville kids moved back to Langley, it would increase the demand for advanced courses that Herndon is otherwise fully capable of offering. There’s nothing racist in acknowledging this. But I guess you’re fine with a situation where scheduling conflicts are more likely to be an issue at Herndon than at other schools.

DS at HMS, and even I think your Forestville efforts are pretty racist.

This is hilarious. No one on either side wants the equity crusader meddling in their schools. Go back to worrying about your own kids’ education, rather than social engineering.

Efficient use of facilities and reducing transportation costs is not social engineering.

As long as the trains run on time, right? Where have I heard that before?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No offense but it’s not the schools that are good, it’s the kids. If you redistrict Langley kids to another school, the other school will increase by that amount. Schools are such a tiny part of academic achievement (meaning they all teach roughly the same). It’s mostly parents.

Bingo. Thats exactly why considering how to efficiently use available space and minimize transportation costs where possible likely makes sense.

Nah, I don’t but your zero-sum game utopia, and I’m not interested in theory-testing with my kids being your lab rats. Also, it’s a little racist/classist for you to claim that Forestville students would make Herndon High better.

First, it’s not a zero-sum game if we spend scarce capital resources expanding schools but don’t use that space because it might offend some entitled Langley mom. It’s a net negative.

Second, if Forestville kids moved back to Langley, it would increase the demand for advanced courses that Herndon is otherwise fully capable of offering. There’s nothing racist in acknowledging this. But I guess you’re fine with a situation where scheduling conflicts are more likely to be an issue at Herndon than at other schools.

DS at HMS, and even I think your Forestville efforts are pretty racist.

This is hilarious. No one on either side wants the equity crusader meddling in their schools. Go back to worrying about your own kids’ education, rather than social engineering.

Efficient use of facilities and reducing transportation costs is not social engineering.

As long as the trains run on time, right? Where have I heard that before?

Yes, moving some kids who live closer to Herndon to that school now that there's space would be just like putting them on a train to Auschwitz, right?

[Anonymous]

If you listened to the CIP discussion last night, it's clear where this board wants to go:

* Update the policy on boundary changes

* Have staff come up with county-wide boundary change recommendations, rather than one-off changes proposed by individual Board members.

So no one will get moved from Forestville to Langley on a one-off basis at the behest of any single Board member. But when staff comes up with the county-wide recommendations in a few years, all bets are off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No offense but it’s not the schools that are good, it’s the kids. If you redistrict Langley kids to another school, the other school will increase by that amount. Schools are such a tiny part of academic achievement (meaning they all teach roughly the same). It’s mostly parents.

Bingo. Thats exactly why considering how to efficiently use available space and minimize transportation costs where possible likely makes sense.

Nah, I don’t but your zero-sum game utopia, and I’m not interested in theory-testing with my kids being your lab rats. Also, it’s a little racist/classist for you to claim that Forestville students would make Herndon High better.

First, it’s not a zero-sum game if we spend scarce capital resources expanding schools but don’t use that space because it might offend some entitled Langley mom. It’s a net negative.

Second, if Forestville kids moved back to Langley, it would increase the demand for advanced courses that Herndon is otherwise fully capable of offering. There’s nothing racist in acknowledging this. But I guess you’re fine with a situation where scheduling conflicts are more likely to be an issue at Herndon than at other schools.

DS at HMS, and even I think your Forestville efforts are pretty racist.

This is hilarious. No one on either side wants the equity crusader meddling in their schools. Go back to worrying about your own kids’ education, rather than social engineering.

+1. This just eviscerated the original poster. So embarrassing for her.

It's hilarious that someone thinks attacking someone as a "social engineer" or "equity warrior" eviscerates them.

It's how the GOP attacked all the successful Democratic candidates for school board last year (on their way to losing every seat).

I guess you can take refuge here, while the adults figure out how best to manage a $3B system fairly and efficiently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you listened to the CIP discussion last night, it's clear where this board wants to go:

* Update the policy on boundary changes

* Have staff come up with county-wide boundary change recommendations, rather than one-off changes proposed by individual Board members.

So no one will get moved from Forestville to Langley on a one-off basis at the behest of any single Board member. But when staff comes up with the county-wide recommendations in a few years, all bets are off.

+1. Sounds like this is truly the time that boundaries are going to be scrutinized, unless every member yesterday was spewing lies and wasting each other's time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to shift the western boundaries so that more Franklin Farm kids go to Herndon/South Lakes instead of Oakton.

Then shift some of the Chantilly kids to Oakton.

Shift some Westfield kids to Centreville.

Leave everyone else alone. We need to fix the western Fairfax issues.

Huh? Which Chantilly kids should get moved to Oakton if you move Franklin Farm kids to Herndon? I can't think of any neighborhoods in which that would make a lick of sense.

Franklin middle school. Send those kids to Oakton. There’s also a sliver that go to Carson and then Oakton.

Nope. Franklin MS/ Franklin Farm west og FFX Co Parkway is walkable to Chantilly. Or bikeable. Straight up Lees Corner Road, hang left to another block. East of FFX Co Parkway kids who are already zoned Franklin MS to Oakton have a nasty commute. Bad on a bus. So much worse for teen drivers. And awful for parents running carpools, attending school events etc. We viewed Oakton and Chantilly as roughly equal in quality. If you move the Franklin Farm Chantilly kids west of Fairfax Co Parkway to Oakton, it’s going to be 45 minutes each way in rush hour. For kids who can literally bike or even walk to Chantilly.

The Carson-Oakton neighborhoods are better. But, aren’t those just the AAP kids, not everyone? It’s hard to tell since Carson splits into 4 HSs plus TJ.

In fact, maybe start by cleaning up the Carson boundaries. My kids did Carson AAP to TJ (one kid) and Chantilly (the other). The Chantilly zoned Carson AAP kids would be fine at Franklin—- its AAP Center has built out nicely and has a good reputation . But, there’s no room at Franklin to taken them in.

The Western County just needs a full rezoning. I get why the SB has no interest. Look at the nastiness in just this thread. But, I’ve been hearing about the mythical Western County HS since my college senior was early or mid ES. It’s the “Lucy with the football” of FCPS. “We are really acquiring land this time… never mind, we gave it to Saudi Arabia”.

Your choices are accept that there is a desperate need for a Western Co Border adjustment— remembering the last time, there was a parent so upset about her Franklin Farm kid being moved from Oakton to Chantilly that she assaulted Kathy Smith,, or make peace with Chantilly being at 125% of capacity with Herndon and soon to be Centerville are under-enrolled. But as Carson being a 4 way spot feeder shows, simply moving one neighborhood won’t do it.

Plus, it’s criminal how little Pekarsky and now Seema Watsherface cared about Chantilly. It’s the most overcrowded HS in the county. And, the overcrowding is only getting worse as fewer RRMS and Carson kids go to TJ under the new admission standards. And yet… no one seems to feel a need to put Chantilly in the renovation queue. Or re-zone. Or make the W. County HS happen. I asked Seema about this when she was canvassing in our neighborhood before the election. And got a blank look back, followed by “I’d certainly do something about Chantilly overcrowding”. And she was canvassing in a Chantilly zoned neighborhood. Great plan lady. Would have voted against her, but her opponent was a book banning, trans panic candidate who was way too interested in starting a culture war to do something about Chantilly. So incredibly frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to shift the western boundaries so that more Franklin Farm kids go to Herndon/South Lakes instead of Oakton.

Then shift some of the Chantilly kids to Oakton.

Shift some Westfield kids to Centreville.

Leave everyone else alone. We need to fix the western Fairfax issues.

Huh? Which Chantilly kids should get moved to Oakton if you move Franklin Farm kids to Herndon? I can't think of any neighborhoods in which that would make a lick of sense.

Franklin middle school. Send those kids to Oakton. There’s also a sliver that go to Carson and then Oakton.

Tell me you know nothing about Western County boundaries without telling me you know nothing about Western County boundaries. Why would you move kids who are less than 2 miles from Chantilly to Oakton. That morning commute is unmanageable even for kid East of FFX County Parkway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to shift the western boundaries so that more Franklin Farm kids go to Herndon/South Lakes instead of Oakton.

Then shift some of the Chantilly kids to Oakton.

Shift some Westfield kids to Centreville.

Leave everyone else alone. We need to fix the western Fairfax issues.

Huh? Which Chantilly kids should get moved to Oakton if you move Franklin Farm kids to Herndon? I can't think of any neighborhoods in which that would make a lick of sense.

Franklin middle school. Send those kids to Oakton. There’s also a sliver that go to Carson and then Oakton.

About HALF of Franklin Farm is Carson-->Oakton. Far more than a sliver.
A small amount of Franklin Farm is Franklin-->Oakton.
About HALF of Franklin Farm is Franklin-->Chantilly.

Are you proposing that all of Franklin Farm should go to Herndon and then you want to move the remainder of the Franklin Middle kids to Oakton? Including the kids who live in Chantilly Highlands, Highland Mews, (both closer to Herndon than Franklin Farm is!) and The Fields? That makes no sense.

Someone doesn’t understand Western Co zoning. Those neighborhood are within a mile or two of Chantilly HS. The most realistic answer is sending Chantilly kids on the border of Herndon-Chantilly to Herndon post Reno and the kids on the other side (Chantilly-Centerville) to Centerville. Maybe some kids closer to Carson to Westfields. And, there may be a neighborhood that could move from Chantilly to SLHS. Now, nobody zoned for Chantilly wants this, but it may be what is. Because no one on that SB has the spine to just suck it up and do a western county rezone. It’s like all the failing eastern county IB schools. They need to be consolidated into one HS that kids can transfer into if they want IB.

And we all know that the new Western HS is never gonna happen. And with the demographic cliff and Westfield, SLHS, Centerville, Herndon expansions, they probably don’t need it.

Which brings me back to— why is every western county school getting an expansion except the one that needs it the most? Crappy school board representation.