Twinbrook elementary rape allegation

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Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.


Victim blaming


That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous


Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.


It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.


It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.


I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.


so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.


+1. People here tend to confuse things that don't want happening with things that aren't developmentally normal and common. Kids showing their genitals to each other is something to discourage absolutely, but it's also totally normal and happens without supervision issues or kids being exposed to porn etc.

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)


No, it's not normal to demand to another child to see or feel their privates at the age. To know about it, yes, but not to see it and often it is a red flag to the child being exposed to something they shouldn't and these kids need more supervision.


Who’s demanding anything? Are you making up scenarios to bolster your argument?
Um. This very thread is about an allegation that a child either ACTUALLY sexually assaulted another child or coerced another child to acquies to sexual assault or, perhaps even DEMANDED another child acquies to sexual assault. No imagination required.
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Anonymous wrote:No one has any idea what happened so everyone needs to cut it out and stop the speculation and jumping to conclusions, and insist on actual information being shared.
I think we should all go back to our lives and pretend this never happened. - MCPS PR Dept.
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Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.


Victim blaming


That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous


Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.


It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.


It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.


I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.


so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.


+1. People here tend to confuse things that don't want happening with things that aren't developmentally normal and common. Kids showing their genitals to each other is something to discourage absolutely, but it's also totally normal and happens without supervision issues or kids being exposed to porn etc.

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)


No, it's not normal to demand to another child to see or feel their privates at the age. To know about it, yes, but not to see it and often it is a red flag to the child being exposed to something they shouldn't and these kids need more supervision.


Who’s demanding anything? Are you making up scenarios to bolster your argument?
Um. This very thread is about an allegation that a child either ACTUALLY sexually assaulted another child or coerced another child to acquies to sexual assault or, perhaps even DEMANDED another child acquies to sexual assault. No imagination required.


So then yes, you are making stuff up. Thanks for acknowledging that.
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Anonymous wrote:Your child was interviewed by a psychologist or counselor trained in sexual assault before making allegations correct?

So before you call the police to report a crime (ie, make an allegation), you have to call a psychologist first?


DP. I’m fairly sure the police would not be my first stop if my 5 year old reported something like this. Keep in mind that we do not know exactly what happened. I’m assuming it involved very inappropriate language by a 5 year old who is exposed to the language at home. I don’t actually think “attemped rape” is possible between 5 year olds. So my first priority would be that the school address the discipline issue as needed.


+1

When my child was in pre-K, a slightly older child asked/told my child to perform a sex act. My child said no and got a teacher. When I learned about this, my main emotion was relief that my child knew to say no because we'd had those conversations at home, and deep concern for the other child. I asked that the kids be separated, that the school ensure the other child meet with a psychologist, etc.

What I didn't do, because I have a sense of proportionality, is to take to every Listserve and bulletin board in the tristate area to claim "attempted rape."

Sometimes scary things happen, but there are multiple CHILDREN involved in this story and nothing OP has said in their post suggests any sort of empathy for the other child involved. OP also hasn't clarified what they want the school to do beyond what is already being done according to the principal's email.


And I would have gone scorched Earth. Not because of "proportionality" or lack thereof, but because I don't play when it cones to my kid's safety.


You realize that it could just have easily been your kid asking to see the other kids private parts? It’s absolutely normal to have a curiosity and it’s not vastly abnormal (though unusual) to not yet understand boundaries at that age. This is another 5 year old we’re talking about. Not an adult.

I have zero tolerance where my kid's safety is concerned. Once again, 5 year olds should be supervised. Even in your scenario, someone will have their head handed to them.
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Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.


Victim blaming


That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous


Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.


It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.


It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.


I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.


so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.


+1. People here tend to confuse things that don't want happening with things that aren't developmentally normal and common. Kids showing their genitals to each other is something to discourage absolutely, but it's also totally normal and happens without supervision issues or kids being exposed to porn etc.

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)


No, it's not normal to demand to another child to see or feel their privates at the age. To know about it, yes, but not to see it and often it is a red flag to the child being exposed to something they shouldn't and these kids need more supervision.


Who’s demanding anything? Are you making up scenarios to bolster your argument?


Any requests, discussions or anything else at that age are inappropriate but clearly something happened if this parent is so outraged and for most of us, if it were our child we'd be outraged too. It amazes me how people minimize and then act surprised with all the acts of violence in MS and HS, or even ES when a lot of this goes back to parenting and staffing (or lack there of). Kids need to be supervised.
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Anonymous wrote:Your child was interviewed by a psychologist or counselor trained in sexual assault before making allegations correct?

So before you call the police to report a crime (ie, make an allegation), you have to call a psychologist first?


DP. I’m fairly sure the police would not be my first stop if my 5 year old reported something like this. Keep in mind that we do not know exactly what happened. I’m assuming it involved very inappropriate language by a 5 year old who is exposed to the language at home. I don’t actually think “attemped rape” is possible between 5 year olds. So my first priority would be that the school address the discipline issue as needed.


+1

When my child was in pre-K, a slightly older child asked/told my child to perform a sex act. My child said no and got a teacher. When I learned about this, my main emotion was relief that my child knew to say no because we'd had those conversations at home, and deep concern for the other child. I asked that the kids be separated, that the school ensure the other child meet with a psychologist, etc.

What I didn't do, because I have a sense of proportionality, is to take to every Listserve and bulletin board in the tristate area to claim "attempted rape."

Sometimes scary things happen, but there are multiple CHILDREN involved in this story and nothing OP has said in their post suggests any sort of empathy for the other child involved. OP also hasn't clarified what they want the school to do beyond what is already being done according to the principal's email.


And I would have gone scorched Earth. Not because of "proportionality" or lack thereof, but because I don't play when it cones to my kid's safety.


You realize that it could just have easily been your kid asking to see the other kids private parts? It’s absolutely normal to have a curiosity and it’s not vastly abnormal (though unusual) to not yet understand boundaries at that age. This is another 5 year old we’re talking about. Not an adult.

I have zero tolerance where my kid's safety is concerned. Once again, 5 year olds should be supervised. Even in your scenario, someone will have their head handed to them.


This is the same parent who minimizes poor behavior later on as it's easier to ignore it than address it. I feel terrible for the child who is the accused but at that age, I have to wonder what's going on at home, school, other child care, etc. and are they themselves being abused.
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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what happened, but "playing doctor" is an age old game with younger kids.


It is interesting how one persons "playing doctor" and another persons "rapist" and "perp" can describe the exact same event.

I think we can all agree that, whatever occurred should not have occurred at school. 5 year olds should be supervised.


Agreed it should not have happened. Yet I am thinking back to a family Thanksgiving when my kids were about that age. My DS ran up stairs and said his cousin wanted everyone to pull their pants down as part of a (made up) game they were playing. I guess some followed her instructions. Her parents spoke to her about how this was no an appropriate activity etc. She apologized. We made sure all the kids knew they should never take their clothes off as part of a game. No one thought of her as a "perp" just a 5 year old not quite behaving as we all would have hoped.


It absolutely sounds like something more was going on, including lack of supervision and bad parenting.


Elementary age cousins playing together is a terrible thing for sure!
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Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.


Victim blaming


That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous


Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.


It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.


It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.


I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.


so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.


+1. People here tend to confuse things that don't want happening with things that aren't developmentally normal and common. Kids showing their genitals to each other is something to discourage absolutely, but it's also totally normal and happens without supervision issues or kids being exposed to porn etc.

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)


No, it's not normal to demand to another child to see or feel their privates at the age. To know about it, yes, but not to see it and often it is a red flag to the child being exposed to something they shouldn't and these kids need more supervision.


Who’s demanding anything? Are you making up scenarios to bolster your argument?
Um. This very thread is about an allegation that a child either ACTUALLY sexually assaulted another child or coerced another child to acquies to sexual assault or, perhaps even DEMANDED another child acquies to sexual assault. No imagination required.


So then yes, you are making stuff up. Thanks for acknowledging that.
Um. This thread says that something happened. But you keep spinning for MCPS.
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Anonymous wrote:Your child was interviewed by a psychologist or counselor trained in sexual assault before making allegations correct?

So before you call the police to report a crime (ie, make an allegation), you have to call a psychologist first?


DP. I’m fairly sure the police would not be my first stop if my 5 year old reported something like this. Keep in mind that we do not know exactly what happened. I’m assuming it involved very inappropriate language by a 5 year old who is exposed to the language at home. I don’t actually think “attemped rape” is possible between 5 year olds. So my first priority would be that the school address the discipline issue as needed.


+1

When my child was in pre-K, a slightly older child asked/told my child to perform a sex act. My child said no and got a teacher. When I learned about this, my main emotion was relief that my child knew to say no because we'd had those conversations at home, and deep concern for the other child. I asked that the kids be separated, that the school ensure the other child meet with a psychologist, etc.

What I didn't do, because I have a sense of proportionality, is to take to every Listserve and bulletin board in the tristate area to claim "attempted rape."

Sometimes scary things happen, but there are multiple CHILDREN involved in this story and nothing OP has said in their post suggests any sort of empathy for the other child involved. OP also hasn't clarified what they want the school to do beyond what is already being done according to the principal's email.


And I would have gone scorched Earth. Not because of "proportionality" or lack thereof, but because I don't play when it cones to my kid's safety.


You realize that it could just have easily been your kid asking to see the other kids private parts? It’s absolutely normal to have a curiosity and it’s not vastly abnormal (though unusual) to not yet understand boundaries at that age. This is another 5 year old we’re talking about. Not an adult.

I have zero tolerance where my kid's safety is concerned. Once again, 5 year olds should be supervised. Even in your scenario, someone will have their head handed to them.


MCPS recess is a chaotic mess. Way too many kids and not enough staff. Pretty much at every school.

But MCPS doesn't really want to spend money on more school staff. They would rather spend it on useless Central Office positions or bogus Equity initiatives.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Your child was interviewed by a psychologist or counselor trained in sexual assault before making allegations correct?

So before you call the police to report a crime (ie, make an allegation), you have to call a psychologist first?


DP. I’m fairly sure the police would not be my first stop if my 5 year old reported something like this. Keep in mind that we do not know exactly what happened. I’m assuming it involved very inappropriate language by a 5 year old who is exposed to the language at home. I don’t actually think “attemped rape” is possible between 5 year olds. So my first priority would be that the school address the discipline issue as needed.


+1

When my child was in pre-K, a slightly older child asked/told my child to perform a sex act. My child said no and got a teacher. When I learned about this, my main emotion was relief that my child knew to say no because we'd had those conversations at home, and deep concern for the other child. I asked that the kids be separated, that the school ensure the other child meet with a psychologist, etc.

What I didn't do, because I have a sense of proportionality, is to take to every Listserve and bulletin board in the tristate area to claim "attempted rape."

Sometimes scary things happen, but there are multiple CHILDREN involved in this story and nothing OP has said in their post suggests any sort of empathy for the other child involved. OP also hasn't clarified what they want the school to do beyond what is already being done according to the principal's email.


And I would have gone scorched Earth. Not because of "proportionality" or lack thereof, but because I don't play when it cones to my kid's safety.


You realize that it could just have easily been your kid asking to see the other kids private parts? It’s absolutely normal to have a curiosity and it’s not vastly abnormal (though unusual) to not yet understand boundaries at that age. This is another 5 year old we’re talking about. Not an adult.

I have zero tolerance where my kid's safety is concerned. Once again, 5 year olds should be supervised. Even in your scenario, someone will have their head handed to them.


MCPS recess is a chaotic mess. Way too many kids and not enough staff. Pretty much at every school.

But MCPS doesn't really want to spend money on more school staff. They would rather spend it on useless Central Office positions or bogus Equity initiatives.


There's no way for us to have any idea what, if anything, happened here, but the bolded is completely true.
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Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.


Victim blaming


That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous


Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.


It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.


It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.


I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.


so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.


+1. People here tend to confuse things that don't want happening with things that aren't developmentally normal and common. Kids showing their genitals to each other is something to discourage absolutely, but it's also totally normal and happens without supervision issues or kids being exposed to porn etc.

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)


No, it's not normal to demand to another child to see or feel their privates at the age. To know about it, yes, but not to see it and often it is a red flag to the child being exposed to something they shouldn't and these kids need more supervision.


Who’s demanding anything? Are you making up scenarios to bolster your argument?
Um. This very thread is about an allegation that a child either ACTUALLY sexually assaulted another child or coerced another child to acquies to sexual assault or, perhaps even DEMANDED another child acquies to sexual assault. No imagination required.


So then yes, you are making stuff up. Thanks for acknowledging that.
Um. This thread says that something happened. But you keep spinning for MCPS.


Something =/= a child demanded another child to do anything.
But you keep making sh¡t up. Apparently it’s working for you.
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I'm so glad we homeschool our kids
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Most abuse occurs in the home by a person very close to the child.
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Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.


Victim blaming


That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous


Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.


It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.


It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.


I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.


so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.


+1. People here tend to confuse things that don't want happening with things that aren't developmentally normal and common. Kids showing their genitals to each other is something to discourage absolutely, but it's also totally normal and happens without supervision issues or kids being exposed to porn etc.

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)


No, it's not normal to demand to another child to see or feel their privates at the age. To know about it, yes, but not to see it and often it is a red flag to the child being exposed to something they shouldn't and these kids need more supervision.


Who’s demanding anything? Are you making up scenarios to bolster your argument?
Um. This very thread is about an allegation that a child either ACTUALLY sexually assaulted another child or coerced another child to acquies to sexual assault or, perhaps even DEMANDED another child acquies to sexual assault. No imagination required.


So then yes, you are making stuff up. Thanks for acknowledging that.
Um. This thread says that something happened. But you keep spinning for MCPS.


Something =/= a child demanded another child to do anything.
But you keep making sh¡t up. Apparently it’s working for you.
You're right. It probably wasn't a demand. It was probably force.
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