Twinbrook elementary rape allegation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.

Victim blaming

That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous

Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.

It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.

It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.

I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.

Victim blaming

That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous

Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.

It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.

It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.

I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.

Is funny how folks they scream developmentally appropriate when it convenient. It is not appropriate for a five year old to be exposed to sex and the perpetrator clearly was exposed at home, school or somewhere else to things that were not appropriate and copying what they see. It is not common and the child doing it should be evaluated to see why they are doing it but it is a form of assault even if they are not aware they are doing something wrong. Mcps needs to have more staff and supervise better. One child touching another or showing or demanding to see private parts is a huge issue and parents who think it’s ok are the reason why many kids now don’t think they need to follow the rules and behave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have raised all boys and am shocked by the apologists in this thread. Private parts and hands to yourself are concepts every 3 year old understands and something we talk about from an early age. 99.9 percent of children do NOT touch each other inappropriately at school. That one and possibly 2 children did is outrageous and should be investigated and dealt with strongly.

yes of course, but a 5 year old cannot commit attempted rape as a matter of fact or law.

It doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be investigated and addressed but it’s not rape.

Correct, but it's also not clear to me what the OP wants the school to do. It sounds like the school administration met with the impacted family, including the principal. OP involved the police, which is their right, but it's still not clear what OP wanted and didn't get from the school.

Everyone involved here is a child, and even the "perp" has a right to privacy and a right to receive the appropriate services. Reading between the lines, it seems like maybe OP wanted expulsion or summary execution for the other child involved, and then took to the listserves when the school didn't immediately bend to their will.

As a parent I want that child to get help but would not want them around other kids unsupervised. And, the bigger question is is this child being abused? Not all kids can advocate for themselves and adults have a duty to protect. That parent is right to be outraged and make sure it does not happen to his or any other kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your child was interviewed by a psychologist or counselor trained in sexual assault before making allegations correct?

So before you call the police to report a crime (ie, make an allegation), you have to call a psychologist first?

DP. I’m fairly sure the police would not be my first stop if my 5 year old reported something like this. Keep in mind that we do not know exactly what happened. I’m assuming it involved very inappropriate language by a 5 year old who is exposed to the language at home. I don’t actually think “attemped rape” is possible between 5 year olds. So my first priority would be that the school address the discipline issue as needed.

I assume it’s more than language. Probably touching. But one 5 year old touching another 5 year old is not attempted rape. Obviously.

It’s highly inappropriate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what happened, but "playing doctor" is an age old game with younger kids.

It is interesting how one persons "playing doctor" and another persons "rapist" and "perp" can describe the exact same event.

I think we can all agree that, whatever occurred should not have occurred at school. 5 year olds should be supervised.

Agreed it should not have happened. Yet I am thinking back to a family Thanksgiving when my kids were about that age. My DS ran up stairs and said his cousin wanted everyone to pull their pants down as part of a (made up) game they were playing. I guess some followed her instructions. Her parents spoke to her about how this was no an appropriate activity etc. She apologized. We made sure all the kids knew they should never take their clothes off as part of a game. No one thought of her as a "perp" just a 5 year old not quite behaving as we all would have hoped.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.

Victim blaming

That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous

Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.

It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.

It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.

I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.

so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.

Victim blaming

That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous

Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.

It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.

It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.

I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.

so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.

+1. People here tend to confuse things that don't want happening with things that aren't developmentally normal and common. Kids showing their genitals to each other is something to discourage absolutely, but it's also totally normal and happens without supervision issues or kids being exposed to porn etc.

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)

[Anonymous]

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)

This! For all the minimizers, stop. There could have been penetration, which is sexual assault under the law. For everyone claiming it was just "language" or "showing" sit down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your child was interviewed by a psychologist or counselor trained in sexual assault before making allegations correct?

MCPS principal has entered the thread it seems.

Nope Im a parent who has actually taken classes and read books and stays informed about normal behaviors for this age group, sexual assault trauma, how to prevent it, and what to do IF something happens. At this age, as soon as your child makes a hint or suggestions of impropriety. You do not continue to ask them questions. You take them to a counselor trained in sexual assault and play/art therapy. If there is discussions about insertion or penetration, then you have to have your kid examined by a sexual assault nurse.
Kids tend to shut down or answer what adults want to hear, especially if they know something untoward/bad happened. These individuals are trained to be able to determine if something did happen and to what extent. In the meantime, you tell the school that the children need to be separated and if they wont/cant, you remove your child. If evidence is discovered, you make a police report.

No, you really don't. You call the police, possibly with your own lawyer in tow, and they do this. The police produce the trained individuals; they are not interested in investigative results produced by individuals they did not train or supply.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.

Victim blaming

That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous

Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.

It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.

It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.

I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.

so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.

+1. People here tend to confuse things that don't want happening with things that aren't developmentally normal and common. Kids showing their genitals to each other is something to discourage absolutely, but it's also totally normal and happens without supervision issues or kids being exposed to porn etc.

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)

No, it's not normal to demand to another child to see or feel their privates at the age. To know about it, yes, but not to see it and often it is a red flag to the child being exposed to something they shouldn't and these kids need more supervision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what happened, but "playing doctor" is an age old game with younger kids.

It is interesting how one persons "playing doctor" and another persons "rapist" and "perp" can describe the exact same event.

I think we can all agree that, whatever occurred should not have occurred at school. 5 year olds should be supervised.

Agreed it should not have happened. Yet I am thinking back to a family Thanksgiving when my kids were about that age. My DS ran up stairs and said his cousin wanted everyone to pull their pants down as part of a (made up) game they were playing. I guess some followed her instructions. Her parents spoke to her about how this was no an appropriate activity etc. She apologized. We made sure all the kids knew they should never take their clothes off as part of a game. No one thought of her as a "perp" just a 5 year old not quite behaving as we all would have hoped.

It absolutely sounds like something more was going on, including lack of supervision and bad parenting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.

Victim blaming

That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous

Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.

It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.

It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.

I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.

so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.

I think you misread my comment. I’m in your side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2023/11/after-parent-uses-nextdoor-to-notify.html

Parents coalition has the principal email which came after the post on NextDoor.
The description of the student beinf "prompted" by another student is wacky.

Victim blaming

That was my first thought but my second thought was a sociopath found a special needs kid and prompted them to violate the victim.
The fact that the letter leaves it open to victim blaming is outrageous

Oh come on. Isn’t this two 5 year olds? I have no idea what happened, but it’s not uncommon for kids that age to play “you show me yours and I’ll show you mine” - was there an assault or were kids playing inappropriately and then the boy got blamed for being the initiator? I think there is at least a decent chance that this parent is overreacting based on the school response.

It's NOT common and if your kids are doing this you have a parenting/supervison or something more serious issue.

It is common. As far as I know my kids have never done this (they are older now) but I also remember very well when I was that age.

I don’t know where these “it’s not common” posters are coming from but they clearly don’t know what is and isn’t developmentally appropriate.

so something from the AAP that states is CLEARLY IS COMMON to play show me "https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx" wont suffice for you? Because it is normal for a child to have the impulse to do those common behaviors and for it to happen, which is why you have plenty of conversations and use anatomical language and dont shy away from awkward conversations and verbage like penis, anus, vulva, vagina, clitoris, urethra, etc.

+1. People here tend to confuse things that don't want happening with things that aren't developmentally normal and common. Kids showing their genitals to each other is something to discourage absolutely, but it's also totally normal and happens without supervision issues or kids being exposed to porn etc.

(I also don't think there's any confirmation of what actually happened here, so the entire conversation is missing that pretty critical piece of information)

No, it's not normal to demand to another child to see or feel their privates at the age. To know about it, yes, but not to see it and often it is a red flag to the child being exposed to something they shouldn't and these kids need more supervision.

Who’s demanding anything? Are you making up scenarios to bolster your argument?

[Anonymous]

No one has any idea what happened so everyone needs to cut it out and stop the speculation and jumping to conclusions, and insist on actual information being shared.

[Anonymous]

OP reposted an inflammatory post she saw on NextDoor. Stop talking to OP like OP had any involvement in this situation except spreading rumors.