professors are leaving florida - and turning down job offers in florida - because of desantis

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Anonymous wrote:LOL!! Where’s the evidence of people actually leaving Florida? Look to U-Hall and moving companies for that, and please share, OP.

Google searches are just that: Looking

In any case, people keep coming, so there’s hardly a shortage of Florida residents. Construction is booming.

And yet

https://www.wsj.com/articles/migrant-workers-flee-florida-as-new-immigration-law-takes-effect-94796abf

Ohs nos! Punishing people for committing crimes! Whatever shall we do?????

The law, signed in May by Florida Gov. and GOP presidential candidate Ron DeSantis, seeks to further criminalize undocumented immigration in the state. It makes it a third-degree felony for unauthorized people to knowingly use a false identification to obtain employment. Businesses that knowingly employ unauthorized workers could have their licenses suspended, and those with 25 or more employees that repeatedly fail to use the E-Verify system to check their immigration status can face daily fines.

Why is it a felony for the employee and a fine for the employer?

It is hard to put a company in jail.

The law has a knowingly standard. Not hard to put individuals who knowingly committed a crime in jail, even if they committed it on the job

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Anonymous wrote:It is not cheap to live here or to find affordable housing. Maybe a double wide trailer in davie or a hoarder house listed for $550,000

I moved here (s. Fla) from dc and I’m shocked at the prices

People who think the red state metros are still cheap do not have current information. Last year, Florida averaged-- the entire state-- 30% yoy growth in real estate prices. Meanwhile, DC grew just under 7%. The mass migration to the south might have started with people seeking better cost of living but that's less the case now. Taxes are still better.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not cheap to live here or to find affordable housing. Maybe a double wide trailer in davie or a hoarder house listed for $550,000

I moved here (s. Fla) from dc and I’m shocked at the prices

People who think the red state metros are still cheap do not have current information. Last year, Florida averaged-- the entire state-- 30% yoy growth in real estate prices. Meanwhile, DC grew just under 7%. The mass migration to the south might have started with people seeking better cost of living but that's less the case now. Taxes are still better.

Taxes may be better, but when you factor in the "fees" and then the ridiculous insurance costs, it is at best a wash.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not cheap to live here or to find affordable housing. Maybe a double wide trailer in davie or a hoarder house listed for $550,000

I moved here (s. Fla) from dc and I’m shocked at the prices

It's cheaper than CA or NY. That's the point.

Cheap and rich are relative terms.

I used to live in the Bay Area. I moved to the DC area due to the hcol in the Bay Area. I know.. crazy, right? But, it's still cheaper in DC than in CA.

FL is still cheaper than most of the DC area.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not cheap to live here or to find affordable housing. Maybe a double wide trailer in davie or a hoarder house listed for $550,000

I moved here (s. Fla) from dc and I’m shocked at the prices

People who think the red state metros are still cheap do not have current information. Last year, Florida averaged-- the entire state-- 30% yoy growth in real estate prices. Meanwhile, DC grew just under 7%. The mass migration to the south might have started with people seeking better cost of living but that's less the case now. Taxes are still better.

It is cheap compared some other parts of the country.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not cheap to live here or to find affordable housing. Maybe a double wide trailer in davie or a hoarder house listed for $550,000

I moved here (s. Fla) from dc and I’m shocked at the prices

People who think the red state metros are still cheap do not have current information. Last year, Florida averaged-- the entire state-- 30% yoy growth in real estate prices. Meanwhile, DC grew just under 7%. The mass migration to the south might have started with people seeking better cost of living but that's less the case now. Taxes are still better.

Taxes may be better, but when you factor in the "fees" and then the ridiculous insurance costs, it is at best a wash.

Not to mention, in many parts of Florida, their infrastructure is falling apart due to saltwater intrusion. And, the hurricanes just continue to be more and more of a threat. Not worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not cheap to live here or to find affordable housing. Maybe a double wide trailer in davie or a hoarder house listed for $550,000

I moved here (s. Fla) from dc and I’m shocked at the prices

It's cheaper than CA or NY. That's the point.

Cheap and rich are relative terms.

I used to live in the Bay Area. I moved to the DC area due to the hcol in the Bay Area. I know.. crazy, right? But, it's still cheaper in DC than in CA.

FL is still cheaper than most of the DC area.

The major people moving to Florida from other states are moving from Georgia, South Carolina, etc. The next biggest number is retirees from NY, Ohio ie Midwest and NE but they are old people.

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Anonymous wrote:I know many younger professionals who live in Southern Florida and hate it.

young people move to FL and TX because it's cheap, not because of politics. I think some conservatives who tout how so many are moving to TX/FL don't understand the reason why people are moving there.. it's not because of their politics, but in spite of their politics.

These young people are just starting out, and if they are making $100K, they are being taxed a lot, so they escape to tax havens like TX and FL. Yes, I know TX has high property taxes, but young people aren't buying expensive homes.

Tax haven is because of the politics. Lower cost of living is because of the politics. These younger professionals, if they come in and vote for Democrats, will then turn those places into very expensive places to live with high taxes.

I think you do not understand how this works. It's purely the law of supply and demand.

The lower cost of living is that way because there is no demand. Historically, even with low taxes, the educated did not flock to TX or FL. They went to places like CA, IL, NY, which then became a victim of their own success with high cost of living. People who cannot afford the hcol move out to a lcol area, and if they move out in droves, then the housing cost and general col goes up there, too. That happened in cities in ID, OR and NV.

Austin is seeing this, too. Their property values and property taxes are sky high. It has driven out long time residents out of the area.

Other cities in TX will experience the same thing that CA, IL, NY experienced.

However, FL with its anti-education policies may end up driving the educated away.

You leave out the supply part of the equation. It is easier to get more housing in Atlanta, Dallas, Orlando, while enivronmentalists insist on no development, and all you get is housing for rich people that developers are able to bribe the right people.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, what will Florida ever do without ecology and social justice professors!

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal and I say "good". When the old folks in Fla can't find a nurse who can read their chart or properly administer meds because they are ignoramuses, maybe they will say to them selves "hmm, perhaps we should not have driven the educated out of the state".

Actions, consequences.

Also, let them make enemies of Disney and hopefully decimate their economy. Reap, sow.

Disney's is booming in Florida. Unless they are wiling to move the property, they are going to have to keep investing in it. Do you really think Iger is going to decide that DeSantis is mean and write off Disney World and move to a more welcoming state?

I think nowadays anything can happen, and usually does.

Company is committing suicide. Stock murdered over the last 2 years.

Sure because they may have to shut down operations in Florida? Lol Disney Florida operations are 5% of the companies revenue and the parks have seen large increase year over year from 2020. Disney yearly revenues are almost 140% larger vs the state of Florida’s yearly budget and 34% of the state budget is federal money. If you back that out Disney revenues are 2x the size of Florida state budget.

How DeSantis doing in the polls after Iger went after him? DeSantis and his minions will be out of jobs next cycle because Disney will flex its muscle.

You support corporations' controlling government.

Unlike you I do not support government forcing corporations punishing gays, blacks, Jews, etc employees and customers. I also do not support tax increases to support private businesses.

If you are referring to Reedy Creek you are misinformed on the subject, by various journalists who are biased and reporting against DeSantis.
The only taxes that would be raised would be on Disney to pay for things.
Apparently Democrats if they get back in power would hand over control to Disney to be the local government. They have been quietly running this fake district for decades, and got caught out.
The district was for a city that Walt Disney was planning to open, and after he died, the company opened Magic Kingdom and EPCOT instead. That should have been the end of the district.

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Anonymous wrote:Florida’s colleges are generally mediocre at best, in any event. But tenure track jobs are quite rare indeed—old farts teaching into their 80s and the repulsive treatment of adjuncts.

UF is excellent as state schools go.

No shortage of professors will take those spots of others turn them down. Higher education has a massive surplus of phds looking for teaching jobs.

If UF is “excellent as state schools go,” what the hell happened to other state schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal and I say "good". When the old folks in Fla can't find a nurse who can read their chart or properly administer meds because they are ignoramuses, maybe they will say to them selves "hmm, perhaps we should not have driven the educated out of the state".

Actions, consequences.

Also, let them make enemies of Disney and hopefully decimate their economy. Reap, sow.

Disney's is booming in Florida. Unless they are wiling to move the property, they are going to have to keep investing in it. Do you really think Iger is going to decide that DeSantis is mean and write off Disney World and move to a more welcoming state?

I think nowadays anything can happen, and usually does.

Company is committing suicide. Stock murdered over the last 2 years.

Sure because they may have to shut down operations in Florida? Lol Disney Florida operations are 5% of the companies revenue and the parks have seen large increase year over year from 2020. Disney yearly revenues are almost 140% larger vs the state of Florida’s yearly budget and 34% of the state budget is federal money. If you back that out Disney revenues are 2x the size of Florida state budget.

How DeSantis doing in the polls after Iger went after him? DeSantis and his minions will be out of jobs next cycle because Disney will flex its muscle.

You support corporations' controlling government.

Unlike you I do not support government forcing corporations punishing gays, blacks, Jews, etc employees and customers. I also do not support tax increases to support private businesses.

If you are referring to Reedy Creek you are misinformed on the subject, by various journalists who are biased and reporting against DeSantis.
The only taxes that would be raised would be on Disney to pay for things.
Apparently Democrats if they get back in power would hand over control to Disney to be the local government. They have been quietly running this fake district for decades, and got caught out.
The district was for a city that Walt Disney was planning to open, and after he died, the company opened Magic Kingdom and EPCOT instead. That should have been the end of the district.

Disney created that whole area, including its local government and infrastructure, out of nothing. They built it all. It's amazing to see people now coming in out of the blue and acting indignant as if Disney is somehow usurping something that Disney created in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:I know many younger professionals who live in Southern Florida and hate it.

young people move to FL and TX because it's cheap, not because of politics. I think some conservatives who tout how so many are moving to TX/FL don't understand the reason why people are moving there.. it's not because of their politics, but in spite of their politics.

These young people are just starting out, and if they are making $100K, they are being taxed a lot, so they escape to tax havens like TX and FL. Yes, I know TX has high property taxes, but young people aren't buying expensive homes.

Tax haven is because of the politics. Lower cost of living is because of the politics. These younger professionals, if they come in and vote for Democrats, will then turn those places into very expensive places to live with high taxes.

I think you do not understand how this works. It's purely the law of supply and demand.

The lower cost of living is that way because there is no demand. Historically, even with low taxes, the educated did not flock to TX or FL. They went to places like CA, IL, NY, which then became a victim of their own success with high cost of living. People who cannot afford the hcol move out to a lcol area, and if they move out in droves, then the housing cost and general col goes up there, too. That happened in cities in ID, OR and NV.

Austin is seeing this, too. Their property values and property taxes are sky high. It has driven out long time residents out of the area.

Other cities in TX will experience the same thing that CA, IL, NY experienced.

However, FL with its anti-education policies may end up driving the educated away.

You leave out the supply part of the equation. It is easier to get more housing in Atlanta, Dallas, Orlando, while enivronmentalists insist on no development, and all you get is housing for rich people that developers are able to bribe the right people.

those areas were largely under developed, but now they have huge sprawl. Most of the liveable parts of CA have been developed already. The Bay Area does not have a lot of room for more development. SoCal is completely over developed. I lived in both Socal and Bay Area for 40 years. There is no more room to develop.

I now live in a suburb of the DC area, and there is still room for development outside the beltway. I have been seeing so many new builds in the past 10 years around here. Can't do that in Ca.

It is very much a matter of supply and demand. That is why Austin home prices skyrocketed. Huge demand there now. Be careful what you wish for.

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I believe the term here should be undocumented immigrant workers.