Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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For me Columbia lost its prestige and jumped the shark when they refused to remove Dr. Mehmet Oz from their staff and later from his Professor Emeritus status with the university throughout his quack medicine and medical shams throughout the 2010's decade. He caused so much harm to patients selling get rich quick snake oil and making medically harmful recommendations (like pushing the I-cure for Covid).

Columbia only removed him from their staff listings and web-sites when he ran for Senate due to the political backlash. But they had problems riding his popularity coattails as long as they could. This is despite requests from dozens of fellow medical practitioners and Columbia staff members appealing to the university to distance themselves from him.

Sorry, but they lowered themselves to Trump U status with that debacle.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder whether the Ivy League is concerned about Columbia University.

I can see the Ivy League banding together and deciding to all leave the rankings, because none of them will be hurt if they all leave. If that happens, Stanford, MIT, etc will absolutely join them. None of these schools need rankings. 98% of people are never going to say “I’m not going to apply to Columbia because it left the USNWRT rankings”

Wishful thinking from Columbia booster. You don't hink Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth benefit from the rankings. Most people don't know they are ivys.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder whether the Ivy League is concerned about Columbia University.

I can see the Ivy League banding together and deciding to all leave the rankings, because none of them will be hurt if they all leave. If that happens, Stanford, MIT, etc will absolutely join them. None of these schools need rankings. 98% of people are never going to say “I’m not going to apply to Columbia because it left the USNWRT rankings”

Wishful thinking from Columbia booster. You don't hink Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth benefit from the rankings. Most people don't know they are ivys.

More people know about them and think they are good because of the ivy league than US news.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

Of course. The same applies to Dartmouth. Columbia has the same advantage and is in NYC. That puts a floor on how low they will drop. How many times have you heard normal people talk about the ivy league vs. t20?
NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

Columbia has a much larger endowment, a much better known name, and they are a member of the ivy league. League membership alone confers prestige because more people know and care about that than wether or school is ranked 8 vs. 17.

Ivy league membership hasn't seemed to help Cornell much and seems like Columbia will be in the same boat soon. The joke of the Ivy. MIT, Duke, U Chicago etc are better than many ivys. No reason why NYU or schools like it can't pass the lower ivys like Columbia.

Cornel is a massive university in a tiny town in the middle of central New York with some of the worst weather in the country. They are still a top 20 school with similarly ranked graduate schools, a $10 billion endowment, and a sub 10% admissions rate. Can you point to a single other university with an isolated cold weather campus and the same prestige? The only one I can think of is Dartmouth, which also happens to be in the ivy league.

Sounds like you're saying Cornell wouldn't be T20 if it wasn't in the ivy league. I would agree with you.

Cornell is ranked 17, 16, and 11 by USNews, Forbes, and WSJ respectively. Pretty respectable to me. Anyone knows if the Cornell Agriculture school is lumped in with the other Cornell schools for any of these rankings?

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Quickly becoming a non-selective school for graduate degrees. Raking in the money on past reputation.

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Cornell is ranked 17, 16, and 11 by USNews, Forbes, and WSJ respectively. Pretty respectable to me. Anyone knows if the Cornell Agriculture school is lumped in with the other Cornell schools for any of these rankings?

Cornell is hard to rank compared to its peers; its mission and course catalog is markedly broader as is its undergrad student size. The Ag (or hotel) school is just as good as the other schools and can be just as hard to get in - they are looking for different abilities. Cornell has significant global prestige. I think it is happy and probably not too concerned on where they are ranked.

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Anonymous wrote:For me Columbia lost its prestige and jumped the shark when they refused to remove Dr. Mehmet Oz from their staff and later from his Professor Emeritus status with the university throughout his quack medicine and medical shams throughout the 2010's decade. He caused so much harm to patients selling get rich quick snake oil and making medically harmful recommendations (like pushing the I-cure for Covid).

Columbia only removed him from their staff listings and web-sites when he ran for Senate due to the political backlash. But they had problems riding his popularity coattails as long as they could. This is despite requests from dozens of fellow medical practitioners and Columbia staff members appealing to the university to distance themselves from him.

Sorry, but they lowered themselves to Trump U status with that debacle.

wow, I had no idea that even happened. yikes.

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Cornell is ranked 17, 16, and 11 by USNews, Forbes, and WSJ respectively. Pretty respectable to me. Anyone knows if the Cornell Agriculture school is lumped in with the other Cornell schools for any of these rankings?

Cornell is hard to rank compared to its peers; its mission and course catalog is markedly broader as is its undergrad student size. The Ag (or hotel) school is just as good as the other schools and can be just as hard to get in - they are looking for different abilities. Cornell has significant global prestige. I think it is happy and probably not too concerned on where they are ranked.

This is true. Oddly enough, Cornell is often the one school outside the Big Three that laypeople will think of when asked about the Ivy League. I've found this to be the case not only domestically, but in parts of Europe and Asia as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Quickly becoming a non-selective school for graduate degrees. Raking in the money on past reputation.

I'm assuming that you aren't talking about medical school, dental school, law school, or business school.

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Columbia leads. Other leaguers follow, as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish more schools would leave USNWR. It would help reduce the annual frenzy and let kids apply to schools that suit them.

+100
I hope other schools follow suit. There is no accurate or reasonable way to rank schools 1,2,3,etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

Columbia has a much larger endowment, a much better known name, and they are a member of the ivy league. League membership alone confers prestige because more people know and care about that than wether or school is ranked 8 vs. 17.

Ivy league membership hasn't seemed to help Cornell much and seems like Columbia will be in the same boat soon. The joke of the Ivy. MIT, Duke, U Chicago etc are better than many ivys. No reason why NYU or schools like it can't pass the lower ivys like Columbia.

Cornel is a massive university in a tiny town in the middle of central New York with some of the worst weather in the country. They are still a top 20 school with similarly ranked graduate schools, a $10 billion endowment, and a sub 10% admissions rate. Can you point to a single other university with an isolated cold weather campus and the same prestige? The only one I can think of is Dartmouth, which also happens to be in the ivy league.

Why are you arguing with a moron? It’s not worth it

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia's standing in the T10 is definitely tenuous. It's a great institution no doubt, but one really wonders if it's T10 caliber with all the shenanigans they pull.

It's standing in the T10 was a lie. It's real standing is outside T20. Maybe closer to T30.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Columbia. USNWR showed they are incompetent with their law school rankings rollout debacle this year. USNWR, or what is left of it outside of ranking anything they can in life, is just sad. The annual rankings are clickbait that people somehow genuinely care about. Movement year to year is essentially meaningless yet alumni and high schoolers are holding their breath on the eve of the release.

You're delusional. 35 million people read US news yearly. 10 years time Columbia will be a teir 3 school.

You do realize Columbia will be ranked higher than they are this year even without directly participating in the data collection, right?
It is the best school in one of the most popular destination cities. The only tier 3 it could ever drop to is an imaginary third tier of the Ivy League (which will all still be top 25 regardless on the ranker).

*You do realize* Columbia will almost certainly be ranked even lower than their current ranking of 18? Hence why they've chosen to forego the rankings altogether?

This. They’ knew this was coming. That’s why all those “USNWR is bad for families” posts have appeared lately.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder whether the Ivy League is concerned about Columbia University.

I can see the Ivy League banding together and deciding to all leave the rankings, because none of them will be hurt if they all leave. If that happens, Stanford, MIT, etc will absolutely join them. None of these schools need rankings. 98% of people are never going to say “I’m not going to apply to Columbia because it left the USNWRT rankings”

This is true. Rankings or no rankings, all of these schools will never hurt for applicants