Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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Anonymous wrote:Pure speculation but they do have a new president. I think she came from the UK so perhaps she is not as beholden to rankings as Americans are. Not sure if she deserves the credit or not but if yes, good for her for shaking up the system

US system is downgraded copy of UK system that has prestige and hierarchy unlike other Euro countries like Germany.

I thought that the US higher ed system was based on the Scottish system, not the UK/British system.

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Anonymous wrote:I would hate to be a Columbia alum right now. This feels worse than the USC scandals.

Significantly worse. Even people I wouldn't expect to typically know or follow this kind of stuff is aware (at least in some vague sense) that "Columbia has been cheating in the college rankings." That's a tough image to shake.

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Columbia and NYU are soo expensive .. fees are rampant

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

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Wonder whether the Ivy League is concerned about Columbia University.

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Anonymous wrote:Pure speculation but they do have a new president. I think she came from the UK so perhaps she is not as beholden to rankings as Americans are. Not sure if she deserves the credit or not but if yes, good for her for shaking up the system

US system is downgraded copy of UK system that has prestige and hierarchy unlike other Euro countries like Germany.

UK at least choose students by academic merits.

? As do selective US universities. What selective university isn't selecting based on academic merits? That makes no sense.

Oh, wait, did you mean EXCLUSIVELY on academic merits? Without regard to other characteristics and attributes a student might bring to the class cohort? Are you suggesting that UK universities don't do this? So what do they do when they receive more applications that are academically qualified than there are spots available? Because that's what happens here.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

I think it's more or less a done deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder whether the Ivy League is concerned about Columbia University.

They should get kicked out. If it's even possible.

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Columbia's standing in the T10 is definitely tenuous. It's a great institution no doubt, but one really wonders if it's T10 caliber with all the shenanigans they pull.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is great. I hope other schools pull out as well. The rankings are very damaging in so many ways and encourage students to apply to colleges for the wrong reasons

Agree. So many are obsessed with rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Pure speculation but they do have a new president. I think she came from the UK so perhaps she is not as beholden to rankings as Americans are. Not sure if she deserves the credit or not but if yes, good for her for shaking up the system

US system is downgraded copy of UK system that has prestige and hierarchy unlike other Euro countries like Germany.

UK at least choose students by academic merits.

? As do selective US universities. What selective university isn't selecting based on academic merits? That makes no sense.

Oh, wait, did you mean EXCLUSIVELY on academic merits? Without regard to other characteristics and attributes a student might bring to the class cohort? Are you suggesting that UK universities don't do this? So what do they do when they receive more applications that are academically qualified than there are spots available? Because that's what happens here.

HELLLO ANYBODY HOME?
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-ha...cy-athletes-n1060361

Characteristics?? Bullshit scores on courage kindness likability?
Seriously WTF

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Anonymous wrote:US News created stress and a feeding frenzy among students, families, and schools for prestige. It's time has come and gone.

But certain people, like many on this website, cannot function without some external barometer of their success/prestige.

Their egos are so fragile that they will just seek another "authority" to tell them that they are superior.

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Anonymous wrote:Pure speculation but they do have a new president. I think she came from the UK so perhaps she is not as beholden to rankings as Americans are. Not sure if she deserves the credit or not but if yes, good for her for shaking up the system

US system is downgraded copy of UK system that has prestige and hierarchy unlike other Euro countries like Germany.

UK at least choose students by academic merits.

? As do selective US universities. What selective university isn't selecting based on academic merits? That makes no sense.

Oh, wait, did you mean EXCLUSIVELY on academic merits? Without regard to other characteristics and attributes a student might bring to the class cohort? Are you suggesting that UK universities don't do this? So what do they do when they receive more applications that are academically qualified than there are spots available? Because that's what happens here.

I think the PP means that the UK does not have watered down admission standards for legacy or athletic admits. There is a form of selection based on postal code (as a proxy for SES) but all students must also meet the established academic minimum for their intended course of study.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

Columbia has a much larger endowment, a much better known name, and they are a member of the ivy league. League membership alone confers prestige because more people know and care about that than wether or school is ranked 8 vs. 17.