Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would hate to be a Columbia alum right now. This feels worse than the USC scandals.

It wasn't just USC, and it was not school ran scam like Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

I’m out of the loop. What was the cheating?

DP than the one you quoted.

To the best of my recollection, the cheating was exposed by a whistleblower professor at Columbia. Not sure, but I think that Columbia did not count a significant portion of its students in its reporting who had been admitted to Columbia General Studies under inferior standards, but who were a significant part of the undergraduate student body.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Normally, I would respond to a post like this by asking for some of what you are smoking, but I believe that almost anything is possible.

Remember when law schools started pulling out and people laughed at the first couple and then most of the prestigious schools followed suit

Yes. That is why I now believe that almost anything is possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Normally, I would respond to a post like this by asking for some of what you are smoking, but I believe that almost anything is possible.

Remember when law schools started pulling out and people laughed at the first couple and then most of the prestigious schools followed suit

And USnews still ranked them. US news makes billions off these rankings, they won't let the schools win that easily.

And rankings based on guesses are a lot harder to justify. Eventually they will be taken with the same grain of salt that every other ranking based of assumptions and inferences.

[Anonymous]

I think it is great. I hope other schools pull out as well. The rankings are very damaging in so many ways and encourage students to apply to colleges for the wrong reasons

[Anonymous]

US News created stress and a feeding frenzy among students, families, and schools for prestige. It's time has come and gone.

[Anonymous]

Pure speculation but they do have a new president. I think she came from the UK so perhaps she is not as beholden to rankings as Americans are. Not sure if she deserves the credit or not but if yes, good for her for shaking up the system

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pure speculation but they do have a new president. I think she came from the UK so perhaps she is not as beholden to rankings as Americans are. Not sure if she deserves the credit or not but if yes, good for her for shaking up the system

US system is downgraded copy of UK system that has prestige and hierarchy unlike other Euro countries like Germany.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

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Anonymous wrote:Pure speculation but they do have a new president. I think she came from the UK so perhaps she is not as beholden to rankings as Americans are. Not sure if she deserves the credit or not but if yes, good for her for shaking up the system

US system is downgraded copy of UK system that has prestige and hierarchy unlike other Euro countries like Germany.

UK at least choose students by academic merits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pure speculation but they do have a new president. I think she came from the UK so perhaps she is not as beholden to rankings as Americans are. Not sure if she deserves the credit or not but if yes, good for her for shaking up the system

Did she not know about the cheating going on?

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

[Anonymous]

The NYTs article says US news was going to count Columbia GS into the Columbia numbers so their ranking would certainly drop out of the T20.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NYTs article says US news was going to count Columbia GS into the Columbia numbers so their ranking would certainly drop out of the T20.

Justice being served.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NYTs article says US news was going to count Columbia GS into the Columbia numbers so their ranking would certainly drop out of the T20.

And US News is taking the correct course of action in the interest of fairness as Columbia GS students take the same classes & earn the same degree as other Columbia undergrads even though the Columbia GS students admissions standards are much lower.