Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

UVA has more than twice the number of RSS at 56. Columbia, an Ivy, has only 26

Columbia is more concerned with creating and hiring Nobel Prize winners, a much more prestigious award where UVA lags painfully behind.

No UVA graduate or active faculty member has ever won a Nobel Prize.

Really? That’s embarrassing.

Except that it's not true. There's one anti-UVAt mom who trots this out on a yearly basis. Note, she wrote "active" faculty member, which is deceptive. Here are the Nobels from UVA: The University of Virginia has been affiliated with many highly decorated alumni and faculty. Over the years, there have been many noted Nobel Laureates who were directly affiliated with the university. They include Clinton Davisson, Ronald Coase, Barry Marshall, and James M. Buchanan, just to name a few. The list of awards received by these men and many others is quite long and shows a solid history of academic excellence.

And of course William Faulkner.

and Edgar Allan Poe and Thomas Jefferson should be in there but they predate the establishment of the prize.

Now, back to the subject, would you rather your CURRENT student win a Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright or do you want to get hung up on your students' access to old professors who will have no impact on your child but have the title "nobel" . Every single time someone tries to point out the amazing record UVA has had with Rhodes (top public, after the west point, for all publics in Rhodes Scholarships) someone with a beef trots this out.

I don't think UVA has been a standout for Fulbright or Marshall. I think many schools do better on a per capita basis.

Wrong on both https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-named-top-producer-fulbright-us-student-program

You Googled and found one good year. Over the past 10 years UVA has had 136 Fulbright winners. Michigan had 351, Berkeley 219, UNC 180, Washington 177, Texas 174, etc. Harvard had 351 and Georgetown 286.

Looks like Michigan blows away all other publics in awarding of Fulbrights.

Could that have something due to Michigan’s size at almost 52,000 students?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe a linear ranking of colleges and universities makes sense. It may be better to lump them together in groups of 10. But within the bucket, colleges don’t get individually ranked. What exactly is the difference between the number 1 and number 3 ranked school? Pretty much nothing. And peers don’t know enough to rank other schools so precisely.

How would you group the schools?

Even with Columbia’s scandal, I would go:

Tier 1A: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Tier 1B: Caltech, Yale, UPenn + Wharton, Duke, Columbia

Tier 2A: Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Northwestern, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore

Tier 2B: Vanderbilt, Cornell, WashU, Rice, Pomona, Bowdoin, Georgetown + SFS

Nope, and you forgot some schools

Tier 1A: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Tier 1B: Caltech, Yale, UPenn + Wharton, Duke

Tier 2A: Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Northwestern, Columbia

Tier 2B: Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore
Vanderbilt, Cornell, WashU, Rice, Georgetown + SFS, Emory, Notre Dame, Carnegie Mellon, UC Berkeley, UCLA

Tier 3A: Bowdoin, Wellesley, Tufts, Pomona, UNC, Umich, USC, UVA, Gatech, Barnard, NYU

Move UChicago up to 1B, Swarthmore down to 3A, and NYU up to 2B.

DP. Agree on both Chicago and NYU. Swarthmore is on the borderline, bottom of 2A or top of 3A.

This is a useful summary of how families and students view these schools.

All of the LACs have seen a decline. 20 years ago Wesleyan was probably Emory/Notre Dame level. It's not even close anymore.

Yes, the acceptance rate for Williams and Amherst increased quite a bit.

Wrong. Williams and Amherst acceptance rate this year was 9% down from 13-14% five years ago. Amherst last year was at 7%. And LACs like Davidson in NC are seeing record number of applications with its acceptance rate falling from about 20% to 14% this year. Seven Sisters Smith College has seen record applications and its acceptance rate drop from 30% in 2021 to 19% this year.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe a linear ranking of colleges and universities makes sense. It may be better to lump them together in groups of 10. But within the bucket, colleges don’t get individually ranked. What exactly is the difference between the number 1 and number 3 ranked school? Pretty much nothing. And peers don’t know enough to rank other schools so precisely.

How would you group the schools?

Even with Columbia’s scandal, I would go:

Tier 1A: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Tier 1B: Caltech, Yale, UPenn + Wharton, Duke, Columbia

Tier 2A: Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Northwestern, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore

Tier 2B: Vanderbilt, Cornell, WashU, Rice, Pomona, Bowdoin, Georgetown + SFS

Nope, and you forgot some schools

Tier 1A: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Tier 1B: Caltech, Yale, UPenn + Wharton, Duke

Tier 2A: Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Northwestern, Columbia

Tier 2B: Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore
Vanderbilt, Cornell, WashU, Rice, Georgetown + SFS, Emory, Notre Dame, Carnegie Mellon, UC Berkeley, UCLA

Tier 3A: Bowdoin, Wellesley, Tufts, Pomona, UNC, Umich, USC, UVA, Gatech, Barnard, NYU

Move UChicago up to 1B, Swarthmore down to 3A, and NYU up to 2B.

DP. Agree on both Chicago and NYU. Swarthmore is on the borderline, bottom of 2A or top of 3A.

This is a useful summary of how families and students view these schools.

All of the LACs have seen a decline. 20 years ago Wesleyan was probably Emory/Notre Dame level. It's not even close anymore.

Yes, the acceptance rate for Williams and Amherst increased quite a bit.

Wrong. Williams and Amherst acceptance rate this year was 9% down from 13-14% five years ago. Amherst last year was at 7%. And LACs like Davidson in NC are seeing record number of applications with its acceptance rate falling from about 20% to 14% this year. Seven Sisters Smith College has seen record applications and its acceptance rate drop from 30% in 2021 to 19% this year.

Williams is 10% up from 8%.

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

UVA has more than twice the number of RSS at 56. Columbia, an Ivy, has only 26

Columbia is more concerned with creating and hiring Nobel Prize winners, a much more prestigious award where UVA lags painfully behind.

No UVA graduate or active faculty member has ever won a Nobel Prize.

false

Name the UVA graduate or active faculty member to have won a Nobel Prize.

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

but that is not good for an Ivy

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Columbia is worst of the ivies

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is worst of the ivies

How can Columbia be worst when it has the 3rd highest number of alums at Yale Law School, the most prestigious law school? After Yale (90), Harvard (59), Columbia (34) then Princeton (31). There is a big drop off after these four schools.


https://bulletin.yale.edu/sites/default/files/yale-law-school-2019-2020.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is worst of the ivies

How can Columbia be worst when it has the 3rd highest number of alums at Yale Law School, the most prestigious law school? After Yale (90), Harvard (59), Columbia (34) then Princeton (31). There is a big drop off after these four schools.


https://bulletin.yale.edu/sites/default/files/yale-law-school-2019-2020.pdf

Law school is not a measure of success. It is quite the opposite. Being a lawyer is an awful job.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is worst of the ivies

How can Columbia be worst when it has the 3rd highest number of alums at Yale Law School, the most prestigious law school? After Yale (90), Harvard (59), Columbia (34) then Princeton (31). There is a big drop off after these four schools.


https://bulletin.yale.edu/sites/default/files/yale-law-school-2019-2020.pdf

Law school is not a measure of success. It is quite the opposite. Being a lawyer is an awful job.

opinions only.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is worst of the ivies

How can Columbia be worst when it has the 3rd highest number of alums at Yale Law School, the most prestigious law school? After Yale (90), Harvard (59), Columbia (34) then Princeton (31). There is a big drop off after these four schools.


https://bulletin.yale.edu/sites/default/files/yale-law-school-2019-2020.pdf

Law school is not a measure of success. It is quite the opposite. Being a lawyer is an awful job.

opinions only.

Would also be an opinion to consider law school outcomes of any kind.

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Columbia has been trading on an old reputation. Reality bites and it's prestige should plummet.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia has been trading on an old reputation. Reality bites and it's prestige should plummet.

PP is confusing Columbia CC,/SEAS with GS, like confusing Harvard with its Extension. Wall street, silicon valley, and others aren't so confused.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia has been trading on an old reputation. Reality bites and it's prestige should plummet.

PP is confusing Columbia CC,/SEAS with GS, like confusing Harvard with its Extension. Wall street, silicon valley, and others aren't so confused.

There is no confusion at all. You are in denial.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is worst of the ivies

How can Columbia be worst when it has the 3rd highest number of alums at Yale Law School, the most prestigious law school? After Yale (90), Harvard (59), Columbia (34) then Princeton (31). There is a big drop off after these four schools.


https://bulletin.yale.edu/sites/default/files/yale-law-school-2019-2020.pdf

This is stale data from 2019. Things have gone downhill or Columbia since then.

Plus, on a per undergrad basis, Columbia’s YLS admits look a lot weaker. Princeton and Dartmouth as well as Harvard and Yale destroy Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia has been trading on an old reputation. Reality bites and it's prestige should plummet.

PP is confusing Columbia CC,/SEAS with GS, like confusing Harvard with its Extension. Wall street, silicon valley, and others aren't so confused.

There is no confusion at all. You are in denial.

"But Harvard Extension School!" and "But everyone cheats!" seem to be Columbia's latest attempts at spin.