Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Columbia. USNWR showed they are incompetent with their law school rankings rollout debacle this year. USNWR, or what is left of it outside of ranking anything they can in life, is just sad. The annual rankings are clickbait that people somehow genuinely care about. Movement year to year is essentially meaningless yet alumni and high schoolers are holding their breath on the eve of the release.

You're delusional. 35 million people read US news yearly. 10 years time Columbia will be a teir 3 school.

You do realize Columbia will be ranked higher than they are this year even without directly participating in the data collection, right?
It is the best school in one of the most popular destination cities. The only tier 3 it could ever drop to is an imaginary third tier of the Ivy League (which will all still be top 25 regardless on the ranker).

*You do realize* Columbia will almost certainly be ranked even lower than their current ranking of 18? Hence why they've chosen to forego the rankings altogether?

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

NYU MBA is not stronger than Columbia MBA. Columbia is still M7, and NYU is still a string or two below.

Columbia hasn't been top7 in years. That M7 thing won't last.

M7 is a pseudo-official grouping. Although it's tied to the rankings. Doesn't matter than Columbia gets ranked #8 every couple of years, it's still M7. And most salient to this conversation, it's still ranked above NYU's b-school, so no idea where you're even getting your information.

I'm getting my info from USnews lol. Columbia isn't even Top 10 anymore.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

Regardless of what fancy new methodology US News trots out depending on the year, M7 will be M7.

The first stage of grief is denial. M7 is based in US news ranking just like T14 is for law schools. M7 were the same top 7 mba schools on US news for decades... Not anymore.

OK... well at least 6 of the original M7 are still indisputably the top MBA programs. So maybe they'll just start calling it M6 then, and kick Columbia out of their annual deans' conference.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYTs article says US news was going to count Columbia GS into the Columbia numbers so their ranking would certainly drop out of the T20.

Weird to think of an Ivy League dropping out of the top 20. Gone are the days of automatic prestige. Maybe it’ll cling on to some of its cachet.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Columbia. USNWR showed they are incompetent with their law school rankings rollout debacle this year. USNWR, or what is left of it outside of ranking anything they can in life, is just sad. The annual rankings are clickbait that people somehow genuinely care about. Movement year to year is essentially meaningless yet alumni and high schoolers are holding their breath on the eve of the release.

You're delusional. 35 million people read US news yearly. 10 years time Columbia will be a teir 3 school.

You do realize Columbia will be ranked higher than they are this year even without directly participating in the data collection, right?
It is the best school in one of the most popular destination cities. The only tier 3 it could ever drop to is an imaginary third tier of the Ivy League (which will all still be top 25 regardless on the ranker).

They won't. US news is adding Columbia GS to the formula. The school with an 80% graduation rate.

That is only about 1/3 the size of the other portion though.

Grad rate would drop to 89% from 95%. A 6% drop in one year would spell catastrophe for their ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYTs article says US news was going to count Columbia GS into the Columbia numbers so their ranking would certainly drop out of the T20.

Weird to think of an Ivy League dropping out of the top 20. Gone are the days of automatic prestige. Maybe it’ll cling on to some of its cachet.

The very concept of Ivy League is dated. US schools are going down in global rankings, some faster than others.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYTs article says US news was going to count Columbia GS into the Columbia numbers so their ranking would certainly drop out of the T20.

Weird to think of an Ivy League dropping out of the top 20. Gone are the days of automatic prestige. Maybe it’ll cling on to some of its cachet.

The very concept of Ivy League is dated. US schools are going down in global rankings, some faster than others.

Yes, ivy schools like UPenn used to have 70% acceptance rate, and they invented EA, ED, all kinds of tactics to 'game' the system.

It's funny to me that these now high ranked school not just played, but they are the actual inventor of these, but now other schools are blamed for gaming.

Anyways things can change of course.

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Anonymous wrote:I would hate to be a Columbia alum right now. This feels worse than the USC scandals.

I am an alum and I feel fine... I didn't follow the rankings scandal much, although it is embarrassing for the school. Regardless, Columbia has been and continues to be among the best universities in the world without question. Anyone unwilling to acknowledge this is being silly and obviously have no clue.

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Anonymous wrote:I would hate to be a Columbia alum right now. This feels worse than the USC scandals.

I am an alum and I feel fine... I didn't follow the rankings scandal much, although it is embarrassing for the school. Regardless, Columbia has been and continues to be among the best universities in the world without question. Anyone unwilling to acknowledge this is being silly and obviously have no clue.

I was just thinking- I’d love to be a Columbia alum!

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Anonymous wrote:I would hate to be a Columbia alum right now. This feels worse than the USC scandals.

As a Columbia Alum I agree with comments that are calling it is a hissy fit because it got caught cheating. Also US News ranking is a racket that has been going on for too long and completely screwed the higher education. It should not exist. As for Columbia and Ivy league schools in general are way over rated. They do attract some excellent professors and students but most are just average. Columbia Admin is probably one of the most transactional admin out there with singular focus on raising money from the Alums and running a degree mill. Unless you are famous or writing millions in checks, they don't care.

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-- Groucho Marx.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia doesn't need the headache. I would't be surprised to see other similarly situated schools like HYPSM or the top SLACs like Williams and Amherst follow suit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see lower ranked flagships (Alabama, Arizona, Nebraska...) to realize that the ratings are in no way helping them and pull out.

Don't see how you can honestly defend this. The clearly cared about the ranking when they were cheating and subsequently bragging about their #2 ranking. Now they don't need it? It's phony. They likely realized the changes US news is making to the ranking would permanently lower their ranking, so they're getting out in front of it.

They are the ivy league school in NYC. They will be fine. It does not matter if they are ranked 7 or 27, they are still the most prestigious university in the largest city in the country.

If they drop anymore, NYU will pass them.

NYU has better vibe

It pains me to say this but I really never thought I'd see the day when the idea of NYU one day surpassing Columbia somehow seems passably feasible, but alas, that day has come. Columbia really shot itself in the foot here.

Of course. The same applies to Dartmouth. Columbia has the same advantage and is in NYC. That puts a floor on how low they will drop. How many times have you heard normal people talk about the ivy league vs. t20?
NYU MBA and Law School are already ranked higher than Columbia's respective programs. So if/when NYU undergrad also passes Columbia then it's true NYU is wholly better than Columbia. Shocking but things seemed to have changed quickly for them.

Columbia has a much larger endowment, a much better known name, and they are a member of the ivy league. League membership alone confers prestige because more people know and care about that than wether or school is ranked 8 vs. 17.

Ivy league membership hasn't seemed to help Cornell much and seems like Columbia will be in the same boat soon. The joke of the Ivy. MIT, Duke, U Chicago etc are better than many ivys. No reason why NYU or schools like it can't pass the lower ivys like Columbia.

Cornel is a massive university in a tiny town in the middle of central New York with some of the worst weather in the country. They are still a top 20 school with similarly ranked graduate schools, a $10 billion endowment, and a sub 10% admissions rate. Can you point to a single other university with an isolated cold weather campus and the same prestige? The only one I can think of is Dartmouth, which also happens to be in the ivy league.

Sounds like you're saying Cornell wouldn't be T20 if it wasn't in the ivy league. I would agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder whether the Ivy League is concerned about Columbia University.

I can see the Ivy League banding together and deciding to all leave the rankings, because none of them will be hurt if they all leave. If that happens, Stanford, MIT, etc will absolutely join them. None of these schools need rankings. 98% of people are never going to say “I’m not going to apply to Columbia because it left the USNWRT rankings”

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder whether the Ivy League is concerned about Columbia University.

I can see the Ivy League banding together and deciding to all leave the rankings, because none of them will be hurt if they all leave. If that happens, Stanford, MIT, etc will absolutely join them. None of these schools need rankings. 98% of people are never going to say “I’m not going to apply to Columbia because it left the USNWRT rankings”

The only schools that need rankings are former safety schools like tufts. The rankings do nothing for the great school that everyone knows about and they do nothing for most public universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder whether the Ivy League is concerned about Columbia University.

I can see the Ivy League banding together and deciding to all leave the rankings, because none of them will be hurt if they all leave. If that happens, Stanford, MIT, etc will absolutely join them. None of these schools need rankings. 98% of people are never going to say “I’m not going to apply to Columbia because it left the USNWRT rankings”

What do you mean by leave??

They are going to be ranked as before with the public data available.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Columbia. USNWR showed they are incompetent with their law school rankings rollout debacle this year. USNWR, or what is left of it outside of ranking anything they can in life, is just sad. The annual rankings are clickbait that people somehow genuinely care about. Movement year to year is essentially meaningless yet alumni and high schoolers are holding their breath on the eve of the release.

You're delusional. 35 million people read US news yearly. 10 years time Columbia will be a teir 3 school.

You do realize Columbia will be ranked higher than they are this year even without directly participating in the data collection, right?
It is the best school in one of the most popular destination cities. The only tier 3 it could ever drop to is an imaginary third tier of the Ivy League (which will all still be top 25 regardless on the ranker).

Anyone remember when Kelly Bensimon of the Real Housewives of NY claimed to be a Columbia grad? Bethenny was like, “She didn’t go to Columbia. Colombia, the country maybe, but not Columbia.” Implying cocaine use. It was pretty funny. People like the real housewives having a General Studies diploma from Columbia really bring the brand down.