APS and Grading for Equity - Discuss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

I meant to say that the test corrections were also great for my NT kid. He actually went back to look at what he got wrong and figured out the correct solution. Giving partial credit for test corrections was a great incentive to go back and learn the content.

[Anonymous]

This SBG crap is why we left public for a private and Catholic school, even though we feel teachers are more qualified at our publics! But our kids are learning valuable lessons--the consequences (bad grades) of their actions (not studying) with no second chances to retake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This SBG crap is why we left public for a private and Catholic school, even though we feel teachers are more qualified at our publics! But our kids are learning valuable lessons--the consequences (bad grades) of their actions (not studying) with no second chances to retake.

It's why we are leaving public school too. Waiting around to see if SBG gets stopped, but if not, we are out of here. I'm worried about finding a spot in private though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

I meant to say that the test corrections were also great for my NT kid. He actually went back to look at what he got wrong and figured out the correct solution. Giving partial credit for test corrections was a great incentive to go back and learn the content.

I don't mind giving students an opportunity to correct mistakes from the little quizzes along the way through a unit or topic area - for partial credit. However, for a more comprehensive exam covering the whole quarter or however the material is divided up, they should not be given retakes or opportunities to correct for a higher grade. Those should reflect the work and mastery the student put in and already acquired from the cumulative quizzes and retakes and assignments. That's all part of a reasonable learning process.

The first problem in APS, however, is that students don't ever get detailed results of many of these little quizzes and don't regularly know which questions they missed in the first place, or why they missed them. Some teachers are better than others at providing comments to explain partial credit for answers, especially in subjects like history and English. If they all did it the way you indicate in your child's experience, there wouldn't be a need for 50% minimums and endless retakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

Accommodations for students with LDs are totally fine, and have been in place for a long time. But lowering the bar for ALL to the level where students with LDs don't even need accommodations anymore is stupid beyond words.

Do you know that we have an attendance problem at APS high schools? Some students only came to class once or twice in the ENTIRE school year, yet are passing the class (remember attendance can't count towards grades?) I wonder what those students were doing skipping classes on daily basis. There is no consequence whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

Accommodations for students with LDs are totally fine, and have been in place for a long time. But lowering the bar for ALL to the level where students with LDs don't even need accommodations anymore is stupid beyond words.

Do you know that we have an attendance problem at APS high schools? Some students only came to class once or twice in the ENTIRE school year, yet are passing the class (remember attendance can't count towards grades?) I wonder what those students were doing skipping classes on daily basis. There is no consequence whatsoever.

I had NO idea. My HS had a strict no skipping school (without parent note) and no leaving campus policy. I was punished for skipping school on senior skip day because I just happened to run into my dad on his lunch break while shopping downtown with my friends. And, I recall the Assistant Principal chasing me on the lawn several times as I tried to sneak back into the building after leaving the campus for lunch.

UMC kids skipping is a parenting problem. I know other kids skip due to family circumstances--to work and help out their families with babysitting, extra work, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

Accommodations for students with LDs are totally fine, and have been in place for a long time. But lowering the bar for ALL to the level where students with LDs don't even need accommodations anymore is stupid beyond words.

Do you know that we have an attendance problem at APS high schools? Some students only came to class once or twice in the ENTIRE school year, yet are passing the class (remember attendance can't count towards grades?) I wonder what those students were doing skipping classes on daily basis. There is no consequence whatsoever.

I had NO idea. My HS had a strict no skipping school (without parent note) and no leaving campus policy. I was punished for skipping school on senior skip day because I just happened to run into my dad on his lunch break while shopping downtown with my friends. And, I recall the Assistant Principal chasing me on the lawn several times as I tried to sneak back into the building after leaving the campus for lunch.

UMC kids skipping is a parenting problem. I know other kids skip due to family circumstances--to work and help out their families with babysitting, extra work, etc.

And this is why they've eliminated the "consequences" for non-attendance. I really don't believe these situations are that prevalent; and this policy does not serve these students well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

Accommodations for students with LDs are totally fine, and have been in place for a long time. But lowering the bar for ALL to the level where students with LDs don't even need accommodations anymore is stupid beyond words.

Do you know that we have an attendance problem at APS high schools? Some students only came to class once or twice in the ENTIRE school year, yet are passing the class (remember attendance can't count towards grades?) I wonder what those students were doing skipping classes on daily basis. There is no consequence whatsoever.

I had NO idea. My HS had a strict no skipping school (without parent note) and no leaving campus policy. I was punished for skipping school on senior skip day because I just happened to run into my dad on his lunch break while shopping downtown with my friends. And, I recall the Assistant Principal chasing me on the lawn several times as I tried to sneak back into the building after leaving the campus for lunch.

UMC kids skipping is a parenting problem. I know other kids skip due to family circumstances--to work and help out their families with babysitting, extra work, etc.

And this is why they've eliminated the "consequences" for non-attendance. I really don't believe these situations are that prevalent; and this policy does not serve these students well.

Yep. This is how APS does equity.

[Anonymous]

How much did APS pay this group to 'consult' on this? https://crescendoedgroup.org/?fbclid=IwAR0-0_EjJkWnNpnX0qonB5SWGjto9Ph2IONk9JOJnCEWKRBy52PPBZs2kLE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much did APS pay this group to 'consult' on this? https://crescendoedgroup.org/?fbclid=IwAR0-0_EjJkWnNpnX0qonB5SWGjto9Ph2IONk9JOJnCEWKRBy52PPBZs2kLE

It’s Lucy calkins all over again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

Accommodations for students with LDs are totally fine, and have been in place for a long time. But lowering the bar for ALL to the level where students with LDs don't even need accommodations anymore is stupid beyond words.

Do you know that we have an attendance problem at APS high schools? Some students only came to class once or twice in the ENTIRE school year, yet are passing the class (remember attendance can't count towards grades?) I wonder what those students were doing skipping classes on daily basis. There is no consequence whatsoever.

I had NO idea. My HS had a strict no skipping school (without parent note) and no leaving campus policy. I was punished for skipping school on senior skip day because I just happened to run into my dad on his lunch break while shopping downtown with my friends. And, I recall the Assistant Principal chasing me on the lawn several times as I tried to sneak back into the building after leaving the campus for lunch.

UMC kids skipping is a parenting problem. I know other kids skip due to family circumstances--to work and help out their families with babysitting, extra work, etc.

So what is the consequence of skipping class? Nothing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

Accommodations for students with LDs are totally fine, and have been in place for a long time. But lowering the bar for ALL to the level where students with LDs don't even need accommodations anymore is stupid beyond words.

Do you know that we have an attendance problem at APS high schools? Some students only came to class once or twice in the ENTIRE school year, yet are passing the class (remember attendance can't count towards grades?) I wonder what those students were doing skipping classes on daily basis. There is no consequence whatsoever.

I had NO idea. My HS had a strict no skipping school (without parent note) and no leaving campus policy. I was punished for skipping school on senior skip day because I just happened to run into my dad on his lunch break while shopping downtown with my friends. And, I recall the Assistant Principal chasing me on the lawn several times as I tried to sneak back into the building after leaving the campus for lunch.

UMC kids skipping is a parenting problem. I know other kids skip due to family circumstances--to work and help out their families with babysitting, extra work, etc.

And this is why they've eliminated the "consequences" for non-attendance. I really don't believe these situations are that prevalent; and this policy does not serve these students well.

We used to require attendance in this country - post child labor laws. No child should be missing school to work or babysit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

Accommodations for students with LDs are totally fine, and have been in place for a long time. But lowering the bar for ALL to the level where students with LDs don't even need accommodations anymore is stupid beyond words.

Do you know that we have an attendance problem at APS high schools? Some students only came to class once or twice in the ENTIRE school year, yet are passing the class (remember attendance can't count towards grades?) I wonder what those students were doing skipping classes on daily basis. There is no consequence whatsoever.

I had NO idea. My HS had a strict no skipping school (without parent note) and no leaving campus policy. I was punished for skipping school on senior skip day because I just happened to run into my dad on his lunch break while shopping downtown with my friends. And, I recall the Assistant Principal chasing me on the lawn several times as I tried to sneak back into the building after leaving the campus for lunch.

UMC kids skipping is a parenting problem. I know other kids skip due to family circumstances--to work and help out their families with babysitting, extra work, etc.

So what is the consequence of skipping class? Nothing?

Grade-wise, that's right - nothing. Legally, I believe truancy is still a thing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

Accommodations for students with LDs are totally fine, and have been in place for a long time. But lowering the bar for ALL to the level where students with LDs don't even need accommodations anymore is stupid beyond words.

Do you know that we have an attendance problem at APS high schools? Some students only came to class once or twice in the ENTIRE school year, yet are passing the class (remember attendance can't count towards grades?) I wonder what those students were doing skipping classes on daily basis. There is no consequence whatsoever.

I had NO idea. My HS had a strict no skipping school (without parent note) and no leaving campus policy. I was punished for skipping school on senior skip day because I just happened to run into my dad on his lunch break while shopping downtown with my friends. And, I recall the Assistant Principal chasing me on the lawn several times as I tried to sneak back into the building after leaving the campus for lunch.

UMC kids skipping is a parenting problem. I know other kids skip due to family circumstances--to work and help out their families with babysitting, extra work, etc.

This is the kind of ridiculousness that fails kids. Kids should not be skipping school. Not to go skiing or to Europe or because mommy and daddy don’t pay attention. And also not to babysit or go to work or all the reasons you’ve rationalized as being more honorable. Kids are kids and should be in school. Period.

When they are not in schools, they are getting into trouble, they are ODing in parking garages and they sure as hell are not learning. There is a direct correlation between attendance and achievement. Something like 10% absences has a huge impact on kids academic success. Stop lowering standards in the name of equity. It serves no one and most definitely not kids with the odds already stacked against them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid with learning disabilities and the increased flexibility around assignments has been amazing. Also, his school offers test corrections and retakes only after you’ve do test corrections for partial credit. I like that they go back and master the material.

I think this is absolutely fine for kids with LDs - accommodations are precisely what IEPs are for. And that's what should be happening on a case-by-case basis, not a blanket approach for everyone.

Accommodations for students with LDs are totally fine, and have been in place for a long time. But lowering the bar for ALL to the level where students with LDs don't even need accommodations anymore is stupid beyond words.

Do you know that we have an attendance problem at APS high schools? Some students only came to class once or twice in the ENTIRE school year, yet are passing the class (remember attendance can't count towards grades?) I wonder what those students were doing skipping classes on daily basis. There is no consequence whatsoever.

I had NO idea. My HS had a strict no skipping school (without parent note) and no leaving campus policy. I was punished for skipping school on senior skip day because I just happened to run into my dad on his lunch break while shopping downtown with my friends. And, I recall the Assistant Principal chasing me on the lawn several times as I tried to sneak back into the building after leaving the campus for lunch.

UMC kids skipping is a parenting problem. I know other kids skip due to family circumstances--to work and help out their families with babysitting, extra work, etc.

This is the kind of ridiculousness that fails kids. Kids should not be skipping school. Not to go skiing or to Europe or because mommy and daddy don’t pay attention. And also not to babysit or go to work or all the reasons you’ve rationalized as being more honorable. Kids are kids and should be in school. Period.

When they are not in schools, they are getting into trouble, they are ODing in parking garages and they sure as hell are not learning. There is a direct correlation between attendance and achievement. Something like 10% absences has a huge impact on kids academic success. Stop lowering standards in the name of equity. It serves no one and most definitely not kids with the odds already stacked against them.

With attendance now “optional” in theory and in practice to some degree depending on the school, any semblance of structure continues to whither away. Most students need structure to stay motivated and engaged, especially when there are so many distractions.

Check the MCPS thread on the attendance crisis at B-CC HS in Chevy Chase.