Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.
This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.
I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.
It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?
I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.
These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.
What would you like to see happen?
Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.
This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.
I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.
It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?
I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.
These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.
What would you like to see happen?
Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.
This.
The problem with this approach is 100% of students in the class are denied an opportunity for an authentic practice for the IB test. The same would be true for AP. Since this is directly related to earning college credit for the course, I don’t see this is as a fair option.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.
This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.
I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.
It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?
I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.
These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.
What would you like to see happen?
Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.
This.
The problem with this approach is 100% of students in the class are denied an opportunity for an authentic practice for the IB test. The same would be true for AP. Since this is directly related to earning college credit for the course, I don’t see this is as a fair option.
Do these students get accomodations in college, as well?
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.[/quote]
And, this , people, is how you close the achievement gap.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.
This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.
I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.
It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?
I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.
These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.
What would you like to see happen?
Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.
This.
The problem with this approach is 100% of students in the class are denied an opportunity for an authentic practice for the IB test. The same would be true for AP. Since this is directly related to earning college credit for the course, I don’t see this is as a fair option.
Do these students get accomodations in college, as well?
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.
The problem too is that not everyone has access to and knowledge about testing. Giving extended time to only the kids with documented learning needs could mean treating a kid unfairly who has needs a teacher can perceive but doesn't have the resources for testing. Ultimately parents and students shouldn't be policing how much time others get. They should be focusing on whether they had sufficient and fair time for the work required of them.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.
The problem too is that not everyone has access to and knowledge about testing. Giving extended time to only the kids with documented learning needs could mean treating a kid unfairly who has needs a teacher can perceive but doesn't have the resources for testing. Ultimately parents and students shouldn't be policing how much time others get. They should be focusing on whether they had sufficient and fair time for the work required of them.
1. But they do focus on how much time everyone else got. If everyone gets 80 minutes, then their child should get 120.
2. I'll bet that the teachers opinion on what is "sufficient and fair" doesn't matter. If the student did poorly, it wasn't "sufficient and fair" no matter what.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.
The problem too is that not everyone has access to and knowledge about testing. Giving extended time to only the kids with documented learning needs could mean treating a kid unfairly who has needs a teacher can perceive but doesn't have the resources for testing. Ultimately parents and students shouldn't be policing how much time others get. They should be focusing on whether they had sufficient and fair time for the work required of them.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.
The problem too is that not everyone has access to and knowledge about testing. Giving extended time to only the kids with documented learning needs could mean treating a kid unfairly who has needs a teacher can perceive but doesn't have the resources for testing. Ultimately parents and students shouldn't be policing how much time others get. They should be focusing on whether they had sufficient and fair time for the work required of them.
Oh geez, what a bunch of BS.
Do they also get accomodations at their first job?
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.
The problem too is that not everyone has access to and knowledge about testing. Giving extended time to only the kids with documented learning needs could mean treating a kid unfairly who has needs a teacher can perceive but doesn't have the resources for testing. Ultimately parents and students shouldn't be policing how much time others get. They should be focusing on whether they had sufficient and fair time for the work required of them.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.
The problem too is that not everyone has access to and knowledge about testing. Giving extended time to only the kids with documented learning needs could mean treating a kid unfairly who has needs a teacher can perceive but doesn't have the resources for testing. Ultimately parents and students shouldn't be policing how much time others get. They should be focusing on whether they had sufficient and fair time for the work required of them.
1. But they do focus on how much time everyone else got. If everyone gets 80 minutes, then their child should get 120.
2. I'll bet that the teachers opinion on what is "sufficient and fair" doesn't matter. If the student did poorly, it wasn't "sufficient and fair" no matter what.
I’m going to challenge you on your second point. Time is only one factor. Did the student prepare? Review notes? Voluntarily attend tutoring sessions after school? Students can do poorly for many reasons, so it is never safe to assume the problem is due to “sufficient and fair” timing.
Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time
the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.
Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.
Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.
I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.
It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.
….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????
Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.
It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?
PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.
It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.
I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.
I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.
Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.
Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.
I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.
The problem with this plan is: Do you take away the tests of the students who don't get extra time 2/3 of the way through the test and let them watch the extra time students keep working? I can see this causing all sorts of resentment.
The problem too is that not everyone has access to and knowledge about testing. Giving extended time to only the kids with documented learning needs could mean treating a kid unfairly who has needs a teacher can perceive but doesn't have the resources for testing. Ultimately parents and students shouldn't be policing how much time others get. They should be focusing on whether they had sufficient and fair time for the work required of them.
1. But they do focus on how much time everyone else got. If everyone gets 80 minutes, then their child should get 120.
2. I'll bet that the teachers opinion on what is "sufficient and fair" doesn't matter. If the student did poorly, it wasn't "sufficient and fair" no matter what.
I’m going to challenge you on your second point. Time is only one factor. Did the student prepare? Review notes? Voluntarily attend tutoring sessions after school? Students can do poorly for many reasons, so it is never safe to assume the problem is due to “sufficient and fair” timing.
I'm just going by what other parents I know say and I what some posters here on DCUM write. The teachers are anti-student, lazy, just want to make things easy on themselves, and don't know what they're doing anyway.
I'm just going by what other parents I know say and I what some posters here on DCUM write. The teachers are anti-student, lazy, just want to make things easy on themselves, and don't know what they're doing anyway.
Anti-student to give the whole class she would give those whose IEP's require it?
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