Teacher not following accommodations

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

There is no attack on a teacher here. The teacher should make tests shorter so all students can finish in one period. If a student with extended time accommodation can’t finish, time needs to be provided during the school day by the teacher to finish, not before school, after school or during lunch. Thats how you follow the extended time accommodation.

Sometimes teachers are restricted by curricula and can’t. I have extended time students in my IB classes. Their tests are essays, as that’s what prepares them for the exams at the end of the year. I can’t fit a full-length essay in a period, especially not with extended time. I can give them another class period, but then they’ll miss critical instruction. I have a very long list of skills and content that must be met in a short 9 months.

I have no ability to control time.

So what do you do then? Can anyone finish the essay? Curious, not attacking.

I arrange time to fit the students’ needs. Some want to come before school, so I arrive early for them. Some want to come after school, so I stay late. I have one student who prefers to do it at her lunch, so I arrange for another teacher to sit with her. I have one student who can’t come early/stay late, so she does it during class the following class day, and then I assign a student to share missed classwork with her.

There’s no perfect solution, so we find what works best for each.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.

These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.

What would you like to see happen?

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

And what is the teacher doing that is against the legal requirements?

This overly litigious talk, rather than a focus on learning and education, is one of the reasons teachers flee public education. Students who have extended time still have responsibilities and expectations they need to fulfill.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Wow. I don’t really care if you stay or go. I care that a student with extended time on tests would be able to get that in your class. If you give only Friday tests, I’m not sure how he/she would get it. Then the poor kid has to have extra time Monday and a lot can be lost over the weekend (or spring break like a PP mentioned). I wouldn’t want my kid in your class - mine gets extended time. Friday tests also suck because you have to spend the whole week while doing other homework to prepare for the Friday test. Kids are also exhausted on Fridays - it’s not a great testing day to begin with. I suggest you give a test on the day of the week that is best for students , including the ones who need extra time. If you give a test on Thursday, then that student could finish it Friday and you could still have your weekend time to grade it.

Before you run your mouth again, I was a teacher for FCPS and am now retired.

I’m 20:53, a current teacher and parent. Most of us are not giving long tests where students with extended time need to come back another day. The number of students with an extended time accommodation has skyrocketed in recent years. At the high school level, many of us have shortened tests to allow for 50% extended time to happen in one blocked class. Sometimes 1/3 of the class or more has this accommodation. 10-20 years ago, it was much different and our tests were meant to last a full block. Students work extended time needed to take it in parts. It’s too hard to manage when it’s a lot of students in the class and we are now mandated to give reassessments. The solution was to shorten assessments.

This makes sense to me. Would a shortened assessment take 8-10 hours to grade though?

You are responding to me. The answer is sometimes. I am also an IB teacher and the grading can be extremely time consuming. I don’t think I spend 10 hours on assessments anymore but can easily spend 6. I’m not writing comments like I used to and encourage students to see me in person if they want to discuss the grades. IB grading is very time consuming. My non IB courses are faster to grade.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.

These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.

What would you like to see happen?

Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.

These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.

What would you like to see happen?

Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.

I do plenty of modified assignments that fit a period, including extended time. There is a genuine need to practice the endurance and the level of detail required by the full length essay, however, and I feel I would be doing a tremendous disservice to all of my students if I don’t give them this opportunity.

I’ve been doing this for almost a decade. Interestingly, I’ve never had a complaint from a student or a parent about how I handle extended time. This criticism on DCUM is the first time my methods have ever been questioned. I’m comfortable doing what I’ve been doing since it has worked well, both in meeting students’ needs academically and legally.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

Honestly, if they can’t, they complete it during the next class.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.

These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.

What would you like to see happen?

Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.

I do plenty of modified assignments that fit a period, including extended time. There is a genuine need to practice the endurance and the level of detail required by the full length essay, however, and I feel I would be doing a tremendous disservice to all of my students if I don’t give them this opportunity.

I’ve been doing this for almost a decade. Interestingly, I’ve never had a complaint from a student or a parent about how I handle extended time. This criticism on DCUM is the first time my methods have ever been questioned. I’m comfortable doing what I’ve been doing since it has worked well, both in meeting students’ needs academically and legally.

Good! Then don’t change anything. We get lots of complaints about this at my school. It’s everything you are reading here plus more. We have had to adapt for our own sanity. We are in a very parent involved community, with extremely assertive parents who complain a lot. Extended time and having students come back or being excluded from instruction has been an issue. I agree, not providing a test requiring endurance is not ideal but we are so tired of the fights. It seems like the best compromise at my school.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.

These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.

What would you like to see happen?

Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.

I do plenty of modified assignments that fit a period, including extended time. There is a genuine need to practice the endurance and the level of detail required by the full length essay, however, and I feel I would be doing a tremendous disservice to all of my students if I don’t give them this opportunity.

I’ve been doing this for almost a decade. Interestingly, I’ve never had a complaint from a student or a parent about how I handle extended time. This criticism on DCUM is the first time my methods have ever been questioned. I’m comfortable doing what I’ve been doing since it has worked well, both in meeting students’ needs academically and legally.

Good! Then don’t change anything. We get lots of complaints about this at my school. It’s everything you are reading here plus more. We have had to adapt for our own sanity. We are in a very parent involved community, with extremely assertive parents who complain a lot. Extended time and having students come back or being excluded from instruction has been an issue. I agree, not providing a test requiring endurance is not ideal but we are so tired of the fights. It seems like the best compromise at my school.

I wish these parents would consider the consequences for their children, however.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.

These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.

What would you like to see happen?

Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.

I do plenty of modified assignments that fit a period, including extended time. There is a genuine need to practice the endurance and the level of detail required by the full length essay, however, and I feel I would be doing a tremendous disservice to all of my students if I don’t give them this opportunity.

I’ve been doing this for almost a decade. Interestingly, I’ve never had a complaint from a student or a parent about how I handle extended time. This criticism on DCUM is the first time my methods have ever been questioned. I’m comfortable doing what I’ve been doing since it has worked well, both in meeting students’ needs academically and legally.

Good! Then don’t change anything. We get lots of complaints about this at my school. It’s everything you are reading here plus more. We have had to adapt for our own sanity. We are in a very parent involved community, with extremely assertive parents who complain a lot. Extended time and having students come back or being excluded from instruction has been an issue. I agree, not providing a test requiring endurance is not ideal but we are so tired of the fights. It seems like the best compromise at my school.

I wish these parents would consider the consequences for their children, however.

I’m sorry to hear you get so many complaints. There really aren’t any simple solutions and something will always have to give. It may be a preferred make-up time, the quality of an assessment, etc.

Good luck to you! I hope you have a restful break.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.

These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.

What would you like to see happen?

Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.

I do plenty of modified assignments that fit a period, including extended time. There is a genuine need to practice the endurance and the level of detail required by the full length essay, however, and I feel I would be doing a tremendous disservice to all of my students if I don’t give them this opportunity.

I’ve been doing this for almost a decade. Interestingly, I’ve never had a complaint from a student or a parent about how I handle extended time. This criticism on DCUM is the first time my methods have ever been questioned. I’m comfortable doing what I’ve been doing since it has worked well, both in meeting students’ needs academically and legally.

If you’ve never had a complaint, why are you saying complaints are driving you out? And getting really defensive about your methods and feeling attacked? If they work then great! What’s the issue?

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

Honestly, if they can’t, they complete it during the next class.

Or could you grade what they have already done, knowing they are on extended time and can’t complete it in that time and be more lenient. In a sense, modifying it specifically for them so their grade isn’t impacted by it not being fully done. Surely you can tell what is going to be an A essay by the end of the first class session?

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

I’m curious. What would be your solution? Let’s say it is a 70 minute essay, prepping for a year-end externally moderated exam. Extended time is 105 minutes. We have 180 days of school, but easily 210 days of content to cover.

These are my restrictions. 20% of students get extended time.

What would you like to see happen?

Modify the essay. I understand it won’t be authentic practice but it’s the only way to make it work. We modify the IB questions to create fewer marks and shorter tests. Over 20% have extended time in my classes, easily.

I do plenty of modified assignments that fit a period, including extended time. There is a genuine need to practice the endurance and the level of detail required by the full length essay, however, and I feel I would be doing a tremendous disservice to all of my students if I don’t give them this opportunity.

I’ve been doing this for almost a decade. Interestingly, I’ve never had a complaint from a student or a parent about how I handle extended time. This criticism on DCUM is the first time my methods have ever been questioned. I’m comfortable doing what I’ve been doing since it has worked well, both in meeting students’ needs academically and legally.

If you’ve never had a complaint, why are you saying complaints are driving you out? And getting really defensive about your methods and feeling attacked? If they work then great! What’s the issue?

I haven't had a complaint about THIS. I have had complaints about holding students to standards, requirements, time limits, and expectations. Frankly, I'm also sensitive because this job is made harder by absurd complaints. I'm a very reasonable person and I can accept that sometimes jobs aren't done well. The job has shifted, however, to complaints even when teachers are performing well. Expectations and demands have no made the job unsustainable, and I'm tired of watching good teachers leave.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

Honestly, if they can’t, they complete it during the next class.

Or could you grade what they have already done, knowing they are on extended time and can’t complete it in that time and be more lenient. In a sense, modifying it specifically for them so their grade isn’t impacted by it not being fully done. Surely you can tell what is going to be an A essay by the end of the first class session?

Take a look at our rubrics. No. Students may not have had an opportunity to develop an entire argument in the first 2-3 paragraphs.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, also frustrated with these issues, especially for assignments due on the last week of the marking period, people just said ever need to be in, no room for extra time.
In some of the cases, extension are given to the whole class, and there is no extra time given to students with 504 on top of that, teacher just responded they already given extra time

the teachers like to give tests on Fridays. This means that they review on Thursdays. Then they give Larlo his test on Friday. He gets double time and should be able to finish it the next day, but the ‘next’ day is Monday. Oh, and by the way, it’s Spring Break. He can take the second half of the test in another week then. So, he is at another disadvantage to recall info from 10 days ago or study over the break.

Teacher here.
There is a ton to balance. I often give tests on Fridays because they take 8-10 hours to grade. A Friday test can get back to students on Monday for prompt feedback because I have all weekend to grade. A test any other day of the week won’t get graded until the weekend anyway because I’m already devoting 11-12 hours each day to teaching and routine tasks.

Extra time students can meet me during lunch, before school, or after school any day of the week. I regularly get to work an hour early so extra time students can start before their classmates. I regularly stay after, too.

I appreciate the needs of your student, but I also have to appreciate the needs of well over 100 others.

It sounds like you give tests when it’s best for you based on grading, though. Don’t pretend this is about the 100 other students.

….but as has been made clear on other threads, parents (and students) highly value prompt grading and feedback. So why on earth would you fault a teacher for arranging their calendar to give that????

Thank you! I’m the teacher PP. How does it benefit students to give them a test on Tuesday that I can’t return until the following Monday anyway? No, I genuinely do NOT have the 8-10 hours to grade during the week. I get no time at work to grade or plan. None. It’s entirely done during my off hours.

It is ENTIRELY in the students’ best interest to test on Friday. Does the PP think it’s in MY best interest to give up every weekend?

PP - ignore the A-hole who accused of scheduling test for your own "convenience". They are clearly not very bright or not very good at whatever it is they do if they can't recoginze how proper planning, task and time management work. FWIW - I 'm not a a teacher so not defending "my own" here, just someone who has common sense and can see how what you are doing makes sense. My kid would much rather take a test where they know they can get timely feedback than not.

It’s best for a student to take the test when he/she is ready and has had ample time to study and when the teacher feels he/she has adequately taught the material. Basing taking a test on timely feedback is odd, considering most of the tests are multiple choice and graded by a computer.

I’m guessing you’re not a teacher and you simply want to be combative. Let’s think about this logically. I said it takes 8-10 hours to grade a test. That clearly means I do not give multiple choice tests. I leave genuine, hand-written feedback. And tests when the students are prepared? Do you think that’s groundbreaking? I plan units for a living. You can find fault with my methods all you want, but here’s the truth: if your child goes to my school, you want me as the teacher.

I’m also getting really tired of nonsense like your post above. You want me to stay? Don’t make my job harder than it already is.

Why should students with extra time accommodations have to come before school, during lunch, or after school? That is ridiculous and not what extended time means at all. No, you need to make tests that can be completed in a timely manner by all students during class time. Otherwise, the test has to be a two day event.

This is such a nonsense and rude comment. A student has an extended time accommodation but has to function within the reality of time and space. We only have so much time in the day. You should be grateful teachers give so many different ways to work with their students, rather than attacking the teacher.

I appreciate this kind comment. I’m the teacher who posted above. I’m quite shocked that I got attacked for going far out of my way to help a student. I don’t have just one student with extended time. I have many. I am quite aware that moving a test to accommodate one student is going to be harder for others. Considering the thousands of moving parts and the hundreds of people I’m trying to accommodate (students, admin, and parents), I simply can’t make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. It’s alarming to be attacked for just trying to do the best I can for everyone, but that’s where we are.

It’s not about making people happy. It’s about following legal accommodations of extended time. How do you give your students extended time then? You really expect them to come before school or during lunch?

Honestly, if they can’t, they complete it during the next class.

Or could you grade what they have already done, knowing they are on extended time and can’t complete it in that time and be more lenient. In a sense, modifying it specifically for them so their grade isn’t impacted by it not being fully done. Surely you can tell what is going to be an A essay by the end of the first class session?

That works great for doing 6 of 9 math problems of equal difficulty. It does not work for essays.