Teacher not following accommodations

[Anonymous]

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You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

So you think kids just grow out of their disabilities? You are making zero sense.

People like you are enabling your kids to play victims. Kids with ADHD or dyslexia need to adapt and learn to compete on the same playing field as their peers. I am an adult with ADHD and I don’t get half the workload or ask for “time and a half” to perform my tasks.

+100, the point is for them to learn strategies, methods, etc to implement in their future jobs/lives.

[Anonymous]

Disengage the troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

So you think kids just grow out of their disabilities? You are making zero sense.

People like you are enabling your kids to play victims. Kids with ADHD or dyslexia need to adapt and learn to compete on the same playing field as their peers. I am an adult with ADHD and I don’t get half the workload or ask for “time and a half” to perform my tasks.

+100, the point is for them to learn strategies, methods, etc to implement in their future jobs/lives.

ADHD doesn't mean you can't learn strategies and adapt to compensate, but a lot of people seem to think it does, that once they are diagnosed, that's the end of it. It's not the child or parent's fault they have a disability, but it is their responsibility. They still need to figure out how to be successful in a society that will not adapt to them. School can provide accommodations, but once out of school, there are very few accommodations. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it is the reality of how things are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My high school son doesn’t hear well from one ear so has a 504 plan. It is so annoying when I have to repeatedly beg for him to sit up front with his good ear toward the teacher. I bring in notes from his audiologist and his ENT. Sometimes the teachers tell me that there are too many requests to sit up front and since my son is well behaved they can’t as one teacher put I it “waste the seat” on him. My son isn’t comfortable repeatedly bugging his teachers so he is often in the back of the room. This affects his ability to look at the teachers mouth, participate, understand the lecture, take notes, understand other students etc.

Too many students get a ridiculous amount of accommodations. Not every kid with a 504 should get preferential seating but almost every 504 student does according to my son’s counselor.

I would think your son has priority to sit near the teacher due to his hearing issue. That’s non negotiable and on his 504.

What should a teacher do when she has eight kids in a class of thirty that have preferential seating on their accommodations? I’m asking because this happens to me regularly. I can manipulate desks to get five in the front, at best.

I’m not being argumentative. This is a genuine concern. I often have 30+ students in a class, and as many as 13-14 may have accommodations I need to meet. I’m drowning as I try to meet all of them, but it left with competing demands that I, as one person, can’t accommodate. Test days can result in 4 different versions of each test given three different ways. I’m one person, trying my best, but I’m burning out and looking for an exit.

Preferential seating does not necessarily mean in the front. But if a class has too many kids that do need to be in the front, some of the kids need to be placed in different classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

So you think kids just grow out of their disabilities? You are making zero sense.

People like you are enabling your kids to play victims. Kids with ADHD or dyslexia need to adapt and learn to compete on the same playing field as their peers. I am an adult with ADHD and I don’t get half the workload or ask for “time and a half” to perform my tasks.

+100, the point is for them to learn strategies, methods, etc to implement in their future jobs/lives.

ADHD doesn't mean you can't learn strategies and adapt to compensate, but a lot of people seem to think it does, that once they are diagnosed, that's the end of it. It's not the child or parent's fault they have a disability, but it is their responsibility. They still need to figure out how to be successful in a society that will not adapt to them. School can provide accommodations, but once out of school, there are very few accommodations. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it is the reality of how things are.

My DC has profound dyslexia and dysgraphia. He is currently in graduate school. He still has a simple calculator accommodation. Are you saying people can not use calculators in the real world? He has use of a word processor so he can type his answers on tests. Are you saying people have to hand write things and can’t use a keyboard in the real world? He has electronic textbooks so that he can use his audio reader for his textbooks. Do they ban audio books or readers in the real world? He does get extra time because it takes him longer to type things out because in the testing environment they do not allow for speech to text software. Is speech to text software banned in the real world? He also has a spelling accommodation because they do not allow for spell check in the testing environment. Is spell check allowed in the real world?

He will do fine in the real world. It is schools that sets up things that end up requiring accommodations. He will always need someone to review what he has written. IME, things are reviewed before they go out anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My high school son doesn’t hear well from one ear so has a 504 plan. It is so annoying when I have to repeatedly beg for him to sit up front with his good ear toward the teacher. I bring in notes from his audiologist and his ENT. Sometimes the teachers tell me that there are too many requests to sit up front and since my son is well behaved they can’t as one teacher put I it “waste the seat” on him. My son isn’t comfortable repeatedly bugging his teachers so he is often in the back of the room. This affects his ability to look at the teachers mouth, participate, understand the lecture, take notes, understand other students etc.

Too many students get a ridiculous amount of accommodations. Not every kid with a 504 should get preferential seating but almost every 504 student does according to my son’s counselor.

I would think your son has priority to sit near the teacher due to his hearing issue. That’s non negotiable and on his 504.

What should a teacher do when she has eight kids in a class of thirty that have preferential seating on their accommodations? I’m asking because this happens to me regularly. I can manipulate desks to get five in the front, at best.

I’m not being argumentative. This is a genuine concern. I often have 30+ students in a class, and as many as 13-14 may have accommodations I need to meet. I’m drowning as I try to meet all of them, but it left with competing demands that I, as one person, can’t accommodate. Test days can result in 4 different versions of each test given three different ways. I’m one person, trying my best, but I’m burning out and looking for an exit.

Preferential seating does not necessarily mean in the front. But if a class has too many kids that do need to be in the front, some of the kids need to be placed in different classes.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

So you think kids just grow out of their disabilities? You are making zero sense.

People like you are enabling your kids to play victims. Kids with ADHD or dyslexia need to adapt and learn to compete on the same playing field as their peers. I am an adult with ADHD and I don’t get half the workload or ask for “time and a half” to perform my tasks.

+100, the point is for them to learn strategies, methods, etc to implement in their future jobs/lives.

ADHD doesn't mean you can't learn strategies and adapt to compensate, but a lot of people seem to think it does, that once they are diagnosed, that's the end of it. It's not the child or parent's fault they have a disability, but it is their responsibility. They still need to figure out how to be successful in a society that will not adapt to them. School can provide accommodations, but once out of school, there are very few accommodations. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it is the reality of how things are.

My DC has profound dyslexia and dysgraphia. He is currently in graduate school. He still has a simple calculator accommodation. Are you saying people can not use calculators in the real world? He has use of a word processor so he can type his answers on tests. Are you saying people have to hand write things and can’t use a keyboard in the real world? He has electronic textbooks so that he can use his audio reader for his textbooks. Do they ban audio books or readers in the real world? He does get extra time because it takes him longer to type things out because in the testing environment they do not allow for speech to text software. Is speech to text software banned in the real world? He also has a spelling accommodation because they do not allow for spell check in the testing environment. Is spell check allowed in the real world?

He will do fine in the real world. It is schools that sets up things that end up requiring accommodations. He will always need someone to review what he has written. IME, things are reviewed before they go out anyway.

It very clearly said ADHD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

So you think kids just grow out of their disabilities? You are making zero sense.

People like you are enabling your kids to play victims. Kids with ADHD or dyslexia need to adapt and learn to compete on the same playing field as their peers. I am an adult with ADHD and I don’t get half the workload or ask for “time and a half” to perform my tasks.

+100, the point is for them to learn strategies, methods, etc to implement in their future jobs/lives.

ADHD doesn't mean you can't learn strategies and adapt to compensate, but a lot of people seem to think it does, that once they are diagnosed, that's the end of it. It's not the child or parent's fault they have a disability, but it is their responsibility. They still need to figure out how to be successful in a society that will not adapt to them. School can provide accommodations, but once out of school, there are very few accommodations. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it is the reality of how things are.

People with ADHD learn strategies to cope all the time and many take medication. You aren’t making any sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

We aren't trying to "give them a leg up". That's the crux of your ignorance. The accommodations level the playing field when you are stuck thinking it gives a child with disabilities an advantage over your precious snowflake. I assume you resent the kid who gets a higher sat score than yours because the kid with disabilities gets extended time. You assume that kid with disabilities is dumb and should score lower than your kid. Amirite?

I think this poster is a troll, trying to stir things up. Don’t bother.

I mean the PP who keeps saying we are trying to give our kids a leg up is the troll. I noticed 4 posits in a row after 1 am all essentially saying the same thing. Sock puppeting anyone?! LOL.

I’m one of at least two PPs saying this. Consistently posting to reply to your new posts does not mean I’m sock puppeting.

Me and the other PP have said repeatedly that if you insist on ONLY kids with disabilities getting various supports that would benefit ALL kids then yes you are trying to give them a leg up over others to equalize the results not simply trying to get them the supports they need to equally learn and compete with kids without disabilities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

WTH? The disability doesn't go away. You are truly, sincerely clueless.

Are we talking about a wheelchair? Or dyslexia or ADHD? If the latter, the student should learn how to manage so that by the time they are in/graduate high school, they don't need the accomodations. So that they'll be ready to be an adult, who goes to college or gets a job without time and a half.

Is your goal for the student to live with their parents forever, unemployed and unemployable?

You seriously think kids can learn how to "manage" their disabilities. You are outrageous. Your Fox news dishonesty in implying that means that have to remain unemployed and unemployable shows who you are.

Op, why didn't you post this in the sns forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

WTH? The disability doesn't go away. You are truly, sincerely clueless.

Are we talking about a wheelchair? Or dyslexia or ADHD? If the latter, the student should learn how to manage so that by the time they are in/graduate high school, they don't need the accomodations. So that they'll be ready to be an adult, who goes to college or gets a job without time and a half.

Is your goal for the student to live with their parents forever, unemployed and unemployable?

You seriously think kids can learn how to "manage" their disabilities. You are outrageous. Your Fox news dishonesty in implying that means that have to remain unemployed and unemployable shows who you are.

Op, why didn't you post this in the sns forum.

Do you think kids with disabilities can't learn how to manage their disabilities?

[Anonymous]

I'm also not the person who posted at 14:30. I'm not the only person pointing out your ignorance.

Why wasn't this posted in the sns forum?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

WTH? The disability doesn't go away. You are truly, sincerely clueless.

Are we talking about a wheelchair? Or dyslexia or ADHD? If the latter, the student should learn how to manage so that by the time they are in/graduate high school, they don't need the accomodations. So that they'll be ready to be an adult, who goes to college or gets a job without time and a half.

Is your goal for the student to live with their parents forever, unemployed and unemployable?

You seriously think kids can learn how to "manage" their disabilities. You are outrageous. Your Fox news dishonesty in implying that means that have to remain unemployed and unemployable shows who you are.

Op, why didn't you post this in the sns forum.

Do you think kids with disabilities can't learn how to manage their disabilities?

Their disabilities don't go away and God knows what you mean by managing them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

WTH? The disability doesn't go away. You are truly, sincerely clueless.

Are we talking about a wheelchair? Or dyslexia or ADHD? If the latter, the student should learn how to manage so that by the time they are in/graduate high school, they don't need the accomodations. So that they'll be ready to be an adult, who goes to college or gets a job without time and a half.

Is your goal for the student to live with their parents forever, unemployed and unemployable?

You seriously think kids can learn how to "manage" their disabilities. You are outrageous. Your Fox news dishonesty in implying that means that have to remain unemployed and unemployable shows who you are.

Op, why didn't you post this in the sns forum.

Do you think kids with disabilities can't learn how to manage their disabilities?

Their disabilities don't go away and God knows what you mean by managing them.

Is this how you view your children? As never being able to manage their lives, ever?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You sound like one of those people who thinks you can abuse or beat the disability out of someone. People like you and the poster above make life hell for our kids. The poster above thinks every kid with disabilities is like her kid. It's such a lie to imply that people with disabilities can JUST WORK HARDER to keep up. Such ignorance.

No. I am all for helping people with disabilities succeed to the best of their abilities. I am in favor of giving them a leg up in learning what is needed. I am not in favor of giving them a leg up when it comes to measuring achievement. When giving a test to evaluate the information learned, the standards should be consistent with other students.

Agreed, excluding needing adaptive equipment for vision, hearing, etc.
The majority of accommodations should be phased out over time, which can vary from 1-2 years to over a decade. If after 8 years a student still needs reduced questions or choices because of ADHD or ED, then something is wrong with the type of support they are receiving at home/school.

WTH? The disability doesn't go away. You are truly, sincerely clueless.

Are we talking about a wheelchair? Or dyslexia or ADHD? If the latter, the student should learn how to manage so that by the time they are in/graduate high school, they don't need the accomodations. So that they'll be ready to be an adult, who goes to college or gets a job without time and a half.

Is your goal for the student to live with their parents forever, unemployed and unemployable?

You seriously think kids can learn how to "manage" their disabilities. You are outrageous. Your Fox news dishonesty in implying that means that have to remain unemployed and unemployable shows who you are.

Op, why didn't you post this in the sns forum.

Do you think kids with disabilities can't learn how to manage their disabilities?

Their disabilities don't go away and God knows what you mean by managing them.

No one is saying disabilities go away, but of course they can learn how to manage them.