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I don't think that's how PP feels. She's just anticipating how parents/students will respond and they excuses they will make. |
I find this line of thinking so flawed. So many accomodations are extra time, speech to text, audiobooks, calculators and yes, you have access to all of those at your first job. You have much more autonomy in planning your own time and using resources available. I find it as one of the major flaws of the public school system. |
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To the teacher who gives up lunch and makes herself available before and after school -thank you. And to the entitled, demanding parent- you aren’t doing your child any favors expecting the world to revolve around your child.
My son has extra time and I don’t want him missing class. So the crazy parent who thinks her child shouldn’t have to give up anything to get the extra time doesn’t represent all parents. If there is a test 1st period I expect my son to get to school 30 minutes early to start taking the test. I make him email his teachers to ask if this will work for them and that usually works for them. If he has a test after lunch I expect he will start the test early at lunch. It really isn’t fair for a student to start a test, see the questions, then be permitted to go home and study those questions then finish the following day when almost all the other students can’t do that. I think it also ends up being stressful for students to have uncompleted tests they have to finish. This is another reason why I tell my son he needs to finish his test the same day it is given. |
You do realize that not everyone is privileged to be able to get to school 30 minutes early or stay 30 minutes later? How would your child get to school 30 minutes early? I presume you have to drive him? Not all parents would be able to do this. And how about 30 minutes after school? The late buses leave way too late. I need my kid home right after school to begin working on the homework which takes them twice as long as everyone else. My kid can’t wait for the late bus or they would lose too much time. I also don’t expect my child to have to continue working on a test at lunch. That’s their break time. Similarly, I won’t ask a teacher to give up his/her lunch to do work. That’s martyrdom. The only solutions I can see are: the kid uses the next study hall period to finish up the test, which could end up being the next day. Or the test is modified so my child can complete it in the same time as everyone else. I agree missing the next class period of new instruction doesn’t work, creating a cycle in which the child is behind. If it’s an essay based test, have the child turn in an outline and whatever was completed for the period. The teacher can look at it to see what the student accomplished already. Maybe grade that part. And then have the student take it home to finish. |
… which is exactly why I have some students complete work during lunch, study hall, or another class period. That was written in the same post as my before and after school suggestion, which is what most students select. I’m not sure why you picked only what doesn’t work for your child to focus on, instead of realizing that I’m already taking this into consideration. It seems there is a parent (or two?) on this thread who just don’t want to be happy. Even when being told I’ll do whatever is necessary on my part to make it work, including giving the test multiple different times and ways to accommodate the needs of different students, it isn’t enough. To the supportive parents who see this for the challenge it is: thank you! |
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The IEP is for need. The need is always written in terms of what is required for this student to access the material and be able to demonstrate their level of competency. The details are driven by the content in question and any disabilities of the student.
The IEP is not about the plans for or accommodations to other students. If the time needed for a typical student is 60 minutes, and the student with the IEP is granted 1.5x what is needed for the typical student to complete, then they get 90 minutes. It doesn't matter whether other students actually get 60 minutes to complete or are given 90 minutes for logistical reasons. The IEP is not about what other kids actually get, but about making sure this child gets what they need to access the material and demonstrate their level of competence. |
^^Same for 504. For example, re:
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Yes. It’s high school and tests are timed to the minute for certain courses, like the IB tests described. Start and end times are written on the board, including the end time for extended time. It’s not singling out a few students. It’s always a lot who have accommodations and 504s/IEPs are not a secret by high school. If anything, the students are the strongest advocates. Any kid without extended time who questions this is directed to speak to their counselor. It never happens since they are used to it. |
This. All of you demanding that teachers bend space and time so that your precious baby gets extended time need to realize how few students actually use this accommodation. Fifteen years of teaching, I have not once had an extended time student actually use their extended time on a test-- they are almost always the first ones done. For long term projects, sure, but never on tests, no matter what type of test it is. |
Not my kid. He’s got extended time and is one of the last. He’s a perfectionist and a very careful worker. |
Two separate posts. Some parents won't accept that a teacher gave the whole class 90 minutes or an extension. They don't consider that "extra time." They treat "extra time" like a zero sum problem. Someone has to lose if their DC is going to get "extra time." |
Those are the ones using it as an inappropriate leg up for their kid vs ensuring their kid has what they need to access the curriculum |
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I have given extra time to an entire class because I have one class in which I have 11 ELL students, 3 students with IEPs, 8 students with 504 plans, and only a handful students who do not have access to extended time for one reason or another.
To the parent who complains that when the entire class is given extended time, that isn't following THEIR child's accommodation because it isn't extended on top of what the entire class is given, how do you know your child's class dynamic isn't similar to the dynamic of the class I described above? Extended time is extended time. It is odd how many students with accommodations I have in the one class. Across all my other classes combined, I have fewer than 15 students with accommodations (2-4 per class), but then have 22 in one class. |
This si the attitude I can’t stand from teachers. I don’t care what other kids use or don’t use their extended time. I care that my child gets their accommodation. There’s a valid reason for it but I feel like teachers who may not agree with it don’t follow it. |
| I will always attend to the accommodations that are documented. I do think many parents would be surprised to find out how much of the time their child does not use or take advantage of the things that have been set up for them |