Has Harry Completely Lost his mind?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m team Harry. The royal family is insufferable. Good for Harry and Megan for taking a bad situation and finding some good. It’s about time the truth is being revealed.


I often come back to this fact:

Before marrying into the royal family, Megan was a successful actress who did tons of charity work in her spare time (like for years and years, it was not something she started doing to attract Harry, it's a genuine passion), she'd started a side business, she had lots of friends. Like if you look at her pre-Harry life, it looks pretty darn functional. Yes, she got married and divorced. But she didn't have kids and that divorce was pretty low drama. She had family strife (I can relate to that) but she seemed to be handling it in healthy ways -- she has a very good relationship with her mom and one of her half sisters, and she was dealing with it well enough to have an otherwise healthy and productive life.

But if you look at Harry's life pre-Megan, you see a TON of red flags and dysfunction. Obviously everything with his parents' marriage and divorce, plus his mom's death and everything that followed. Lots of signs of dysfunction in his relationship with Harry. No truly serious relationships but a couple on again off again things that didn't go anywhere. He doesn't have a healthy, functional relationship with any of his parent figures -- his mom is dead, his dad is extremely repressed and distant (and busy), his grandmother was the queen and not the most nurturing person in the world, his grandfather even less so. It doesn't appear he had or was allowed close relationships with the Spencers. He was not independent at all, and the one period of his life where he was somewhat independent (his military service) involved fighting in a war, which is a traumatic event that can really screw a person up. He has a lot of friends but it's unclear how many are close, true friends -- that world is the sort of predictable set of pre-ordained "friends" that you grow up with and are expected to socialize among and marry into. That's very different that developing a series of friendships with classmates and colleagues and roommates and neighbors over the course of a normal life, as Meghan has.

Megan has led a fairly normal and functional life until meeting Harry and I see most of her decisions since then as an effort to continue to do so despite obstacles posed by his position and family. Megan and their kids are the first normal/healthy relationships Harry has had in his entire life. He is flailing a bit but that's honestly not surprising.

The most questionable life choice Meghan has ever made was marrying Harry -- she could have stayed single, had kids on her own, or maybe found someone else to marry (though tricky due to her age and her job/lifestyle). The best life choice Harry has ever made is marrying Meghan and getting some distance from his messed up family.


Meghan was actively trolling the UK for a high profile love connection. She didn’t want normal she wanted more.


What other high profile men in the UK did she date? I don't buy this, sorry. I don't get why people want to turn Megan into some kind of scheming manipulator. I'm not like some huge MM fan but she seems to genuinely have just fallen for a guy who has a messed up family and not understood the extent to which s messed up family would impact her life before getting in deep. Likely her age played a role, as if you have a serious relationship in your late 30s, it's much harder to pull back and say "wait, this is not what I expected" before it's too late. Now they have kids together and she has to see it through. And she does seem to genuinely love him.

I bet some part of her wonders if maybe she should have been more cautious about getting involved with someone this high profile in such a weird position back when it all started. But it's too late now.

I just find it hard to believe that she was looking for this situation. It actually kind of sucks for her -- she quit her job and it would be hard to go back to her old career, changed her entire life, and then his family was INSANE and he was deeply unhappy. She seems to be doing the best she can with a bad situation, honestly.


She will never set foot on another cable TV set. She got a leg up for life, maybe not as much as they think they “need” but she will not be working in the sense of anything she did in her past again. She was asking friends to set up dates, for that matter didn’t she get set up on a blind date with Harry? Also I think she was messaging a famous football/soccer player to name one.
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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think he is pretty severely mentally ill. It's so clear that he has not at all healed from his mother's death and carries around a lot of baggage about the rest of his family.


+1

I haven't read his book, but from other reports he seems stuck on being the spare. I recall a clip of him at an event soon after they left the UK. Early on in his speech he said it's as if people think "oh.. yes... that's Diana's other son." It's not like he was shipped off to some remote place and never mentioned. I think, too, that there is a lot there regarding his mother's death.




I think he has complex ptsd, learning disabilities and anxiety/depression. His life experience (being a royal) complicates the whole matter. He will have to work for the rest of his life to maintain stability. It's not hopeless, but Harry is mentally ill. He is trying to improve his life and walking away from his toxic family took courage.
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Meghan is no angel, but she's not the source of Harry's angst. If you read about the stuff that goes on in that family, you'll understand that they are SO dysfunctional, so emotionally dishonest, that it would drive anyone to a breakdown if they were trying to seek honest connections and only being gaslit at every turn.

Harry's having a public breakdown. It's very sad. Yes, he's "lost his mind". But it's sad, and it's an outcome of long term suffering.
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Anonymous wrote:My favorite comment on this topic: "I guess we now know how effective palace PR is because we used to think Harry was fun and likeable."


Ha! Brilliant!
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Anonymous wrote:I find it weird to see it play out so publicly, but I do wind up in the camp of: that family is incredibly dysfunctional/toxic, and he sounds like someone grappling with those issues in a relatively healthy way.

I'm from a very dysfunctional family that does not claim to be anointed by god as rulers of an empire, and even despite that difference, I recognize the signs of dysfunction. The difficulties of direct communication of basic needs like affection, the use of a lot of passive-aggressive means of communication or the expectation for family members to just know what certain members (always the people at the top of the family hierarchy, which in the royals is easy to figure out) want or need and give it to them without complaint. There are golden child, scapegoat, and black sheep dynamics. You see a lot of enmeshment with family, especially around decisions like who you will marry and how and when you will have kids, and how they will be raised.

Yes, a lot of this is viewed as a normal part of being in the royal family. Does not make it less dysfunctional! Actually makes it worse because it's a self-reinforcing system that can't be change for argued against. In my own dysfunctional family, things actually are better for some of the the more recent generations because we have found ways to set boundaries and make other choices. It does result in some amount of estrangement (not total estrangement, but strained relationships with certain family members), but it is better for our children and has enabled us to make healthier choices for ourselves. In the royal family, setting those boundaries and making healthier choices gets second guessed not just by the family itself (which includes the monarch of the country you belong to) but also by Parliament and the press. That's insane!

He does not sound crazy to me. I do think having this play out in public may be something he later regrets. I well understand the desire to actually finally achieve clarity on these issues because I know what it's like to deal with gaslighting and passive aggressive communication your entire life and just want it to end. But the public declarations will likely escalate tensions and can't be taken back. Plus they drag in lots of strangers and that can confuse things.

But the actual things he's talking about and saying? Don't sound crazy to me. It sounds healthy. It sounds like he's been brainwashed by dysfunction most of his life and only recently discovered, through is family of choice, what functional, healthy relationships can look like. It takes time to acclimate.


Harry and Megan need money, even if just for security. They have no marketable skills other than her acting. Either they sell all the dirt they have for as much as they can get or the go bust.


Harry has few marketable skills. Megan has a bunch of marketable skills, even beyond acting. She's a decent spokeswoman, she has a long history of charitable advocacy, she has experience building an online presence and a brand. These are "normal" skills but they are actually pretty helpful for their current situation. Megan is reasonably prepared for figuring out how to make money from their current situation; Harry is not. I sense that she feels this is a manageable situation not that different from where she was at before marrying him, but with more complications, but that he has absolutely no idea how to handle because he's lived in a weird bubble his entire life.



None of those pay the bills unless you're suggesting that they take a large cut of money they raise.


Yes, actually, you can make money by creating a brand and building an online presence, especially if you already have a high profile and are physically attractive. Lots of female celebs have gone this route, from Goop to Jessica Alba and Jessica Simpson. This is how the Kardashians make money as well. It's not a "normal" job but it does require a specific skill set, that Megan appears to have, and an existing high profile from acting, modeling, family connections, etc. Which Megan had prior to Harry and has even more of now.

The issue for them has been that if they are working royals, they can't do that kind of work because it's viewed as exploiting royal titles for money. But if they no longer take an income from the BRF, then they can absolutely do it. Lots of royals have done stuff like this. It's how Fergie supported herself post-divorce (not very well, but she was older and not as disciplined, plus there were fewer opportunities for this kind of brand work back in the 90s). There are also European royals from countries without active working royals who do a version of this, using their titles and elevated social standing to parlay it into paying gigs for brands/charities/advocacy organizations.

No, Megan and Harry are not going to apply for regular person jobs and fill out W-2s or whatever, that is not really a realistic option for them. Megan could theoretically return to acting but I actually think she's now too famous to do that -- to heavily associated with something else, can you imagine the uproar if she took a standard film or television role and did even a chaste love scene with another actor? People would lose their minds. So this brand ambassador/producer/content creator gig is probably their best bet and she's actually pretty well suited to it even if he isn't. He's not suited to anything, royals are raised to be weird useless people.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't think he's lost his mind. I think he's just broken free from a jeweled prison. The royal family thought Meghan would give up everything to be one of them and didn't have the perspective that anyone might find their actions unhealthy. And I think having his wife be subjected to the same things that his mother was, and which ultimately caused her death, is very triggering for Harry. The royal family thinks it's all NBD but Harry views it as life or death. And after what happened to his mother, who is to argue with him? I actually respect him a lot for giving it all up for a semblance of a normal life. And I'm glad they're controlling their own narrative rather than letting the British press use misogyny and racism to turn Meghan into a Disney villain.


Again more reason they should have taken their time, but no they had to “hit the ground running”.


DP. Take their time on what? They acted when they felt they had to. It may not have been on your timeline but it's not your life. It's theirs and their choice.


Because she kept saying she had no idea what being Royal would be like so why doesn’t she take any responsibility for rushing?


Maybe it was apparent only the outcomes of unlimited wealth and fame…. Not the less savory aspects of how it functions?
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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think he is pretty severely mentally ill. It's so clear that he has not at all healed from his mother's death and carries around a lot of baggage about the rest of his family.


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I haven't read his book, but from other reports he seems stuck on being the spare. I recall a clip of him at an event soon after they left the UK. Early on in his speech he said it's as if people think "oh.. yes... that's Diana's other son." It's not like he was shipped off to some remote place and never mentioned. I think, too, that there is a lot there regarding his mother's death.


He was always one of the most popular members of the royal family up until 2019 or 2020. He and many others cheering him now are forgetting this fact.


Pp here. That's how I remember it as well. Not forgotten at all. Now I think I should read the book and see what he's talking about. I always kind of preferred stories about Harry, William was too perfect.
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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think he is pretty severely mentally ill. It's so clear that he has not at all healed from his mother's death and carries around a lot of baggage about the rest of his family.


He:s jealous of his brother and wants to be the heir but. Instead, is wasting his life by complaining and playing the victim. "It's always somebody else's fault.".

I agree that has severe mental problems but he seems to enjoy them and it pays for his lifestyle. Both he and his wife are sad and pathetic people who have one story they will tell and retell.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m team Harry. The royal family is insufferable. Good for Harry and Megan for taking a bad situation and finding some good. It’s about time the truth is being revealed.


I often come back to this fact:

Before marrying into the royal family, Megan was a successful actress who did tons of charity work in her spare time (like for years and years, it was not something she started doing to attract Harry, it's a genuine passion), she'd started a side business, she had lots of friends. Like if you look at her pre-Harry life, it looks pretty darn functional. Yes, she got married and divorced. But she didn't have kids and that divorce was pretty low drama. She had family strife (I can relate to that) but she seemed to be handling it in healthy ways -- she has a very good relationship with her mom and one of her half sisters, and she was dealing with it well enough to have an otherwise healthy and productive life.

But if you look at Harry's life pre-Megan, you see a TON of red flags and dysfunction. Obviously everything with his parents' marriage and divorce, plus his mom's death and everything that followed. Lots of signs of dysfunction in his relationship with Harry. No truly serious relationships but a couple on again off again things that didn't go anywhere. He doesn't have a healthy, functional relationship with any of his parent figures -- his mom is dead, his dad is extremely repressed and distant (and busy), his grandmother was the queen and not the most nurturing person in the world, his grandfather even less so. It doesn't appear he had or was allowed close relationships with the Spencers. He was not independent at all, and the one period of his life where he was somewhat independent (his military service) involved fighting in a war, which is a traumatic event that can really screw a person up. He has a lot of friends but it's unclear how many are close, true friends -- that world is the sort of predictable set of pre-ordained "friends" that you grow up with and are expected to socialize among and marry into. That's very different that developing a series of friendships with classmates and colleagues and roommates and neighbors over the course of a normal life, as Meghan has.

Megan has led a fairly normal and functional life until meeting Harry and I see most of her decisions since then as an effort to continue to do so despite obstacles posed by his position and family. Megan and their kids are the first normal/healthy relationships Harry has had in his entire life. He is flailing a bit but that's honestly not surprising.

The most questionable life choice Meghan has ever made was marrying Harry -- she could have stayed single, had kids on her own, or maybe found someone else to marry (though tricky due to her age and her job/lifestyle). The best life choice Harry has ever made is marrying Meghan and getting some distance from his messed up family.


Meghan was actively trolling the UK for a high profile love connection. She didn’t want normal she wanted more.


What other high profile men in the UK did she date? I don't buy this, sorry. I don't get why people want to turn Megan into some kind of scheming manipulator. I'm not like some huge MM fan but she seems to genuinely have just fallen for a guy who has a messed up family and not understood the extent to which s messed up family would impact her life before getting in deep. Likely her age played a role, as if you have a serious relationship in your late 30s, it's much harder to pull back and say "wait, this is not what I expected" before it's too late. Now they have kids together and she has to see it through. And she does seem to genuinely love him.

I bet some part of her wonders if maybe she should have been more cautious about getting involved with someone this high profile in such a weird position back when it all started. But it's too late now.

I just find it hard to believe that she was looking for this situation. It actually kind of sucks for her -- she quit her job and it would be hard to go back to her old career, changed her entire life, and then his family was INSANE and he was deeply unhappy. She seems to be doing the best she can with a bad situation, honestly.


She will never set foot on another cable TV set. She got a leg up for life, maybe not as much as they think they “need” but she will not be working in the sense of anything she did in her past again. She was asking friends to set up dates, for that matter didn’t she get set up on a blind date with Harry? Also I think she was messaging a famous football/soccer player to name one.


So your evidence for "she was actively trolling the UK for a high profile love connection" is that you think she went on a blind date with Harry (not sure this is true, didn't they meet over Instagram?) and might have messaged a footballer?

She was a single actress in her early/mid 30s. She was "dating". The word you are looking for is "dating". That's not a crime or evidence she's some kind of master manipulator.
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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is no angel, but she's not the source of Harry's angst. If you read about the stuff that goes on in that family, you'll understand that they are SO dysfunctional, so emotionally dishonest, that it would drive anyone to a breakdown if they were trying to seek honest connections and only being gaslit at every turn.

Harry's having a public breakdown. It's very sad. Yes, he's "lost his mind". But it's sad, and it's an outcome of long term suffering.


Yes all that but most importantly they are rich and powerful so they want to maintain their titles, security and invitations.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m team Harry. The royal family is insufferable. Good for Harry and Megan for taking a bad situation and finding some good. It’s about time the truth is being revealed.


I often come back to this fact:

Before marrying into the royal family, Megan was a successful actress who did tons of charity work in her spare time (like for years and years, it was not something she started doing to attract Harry, it's a genuine passion), she'd started a side business, she had lots of friends. Like if you look at her pre-Harry life, it looks pretty darn functional. Yes, she got married and divorced. But she didn't have kids and that divorce was pretty low drama. She had family strife (I can relate to that) but she seemed to be handling it in healthy ways -- she has a very good relationship with her mom and one of her half sisters, and she was dealing with it well enough to have an otherwise healthy and productive life.

But if you look at Harry's life pre-Megan, you see a TON of red flags and dysfunction. Obviously everything with his parents' marriage and divorce, plus his mom's death and everything that followed. Lots of signs of dysfunction in his relationship with Harry. No truly serious relationships but a couple on again off again things that didn't go anywhere. He doesn't have a healthy, functional relationship with any of his parent figures -- his mom is dead, his dad is extremely repressed and distant (and busy), his grandmother was the queen and not the most nurturing person in the world, his grandfather even less so. It doesn't appear he had or was allowed close relationships with the Spencers. He was not independent at all, and the one period of his life where he was somewhat independent (his military service) involved fighting in a war, which is a traumatic event that can really screw a person up. He has a lot of friends but it's unclear how many are close, true friends -- that world is the sort of predictable set of pre-ordained "friends" that you grow up with and are expected to socialize among and marry into. That's very different that developing a series of friendships with classmates and colleagues and roommates and neighbors over the course of a normal life, as Meghan has.

Megan has led a fairly normal and functional life until meeting Harry and I see most of her decisions since then as an effort to continue to do so despite obstacles posed by his position and family. Megan and their kids are the first normal/healthy relationships Harry has had in his entire life. He is flailing a bit but that's honestly not surprising.

The most questionable life choice Meghan has ever made was marrying Harry -- she could have stayed single, had kids on her own, or maybe found someone else to marry (though tricky due to her age and her job/lifestyle). The best life choice Harry has ever made is marrying Meghan and getting some distance from his messed up family.


All of this is "fact"?

Her parents are divorced and so are his. But somehow only his family divorce was dysfunctional?

He had friends and she had friends. But hers are real and his are shallow connections?

His prior life was more unusual than hers for sure - he was in the BRF. But the rest of this is a lot of projection.
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Anonymous wrote:I find it weird to see it play out so publicly, but I do wind up in the camp of: that family is incredibly dysfunctional/toxic, and he sounds like someone grappling with those issues in a relatively healthy way.

I'm from a very dysfunctional family that does not claim to be anointed by god as rulers of an empire, and even despite that difference, I recognize the signs of dysfunction. The difficulties of direct communication of basic needs like affection, the use of a lot of passive-aggressive means of communication or the expectation for family members to just know what certain members (always the people at the top of the family hierarchy, which in the royals is easy to figure out) want or need and give it to them without complaint. There are golden child, scapegoat, and black sheep dynamics. You see a lot of enmeshment with family, especially around decisions like who you will marry and how and when you will have kids, and how they will be raised.

Yes, a lot of this is viewed as a normal part of being in the royal family. Does not make it less dysfunctional! Actually makes it worse because it's a self-reinforcing system that can't be change for argued against. In my own dysfunctional family, things actually are better for some of the the more recent generations because we have found ways to set boundaries and make other choices. It does result in some amount of estrangement (not total estrangement, but strained relationships with certain family members), but it is better for our children and has enabled us to make healthier choices for ourselves. In the royal family, setting those boundaries and making healthier choices gets second guessed not just by the family itself (which includes the monarch of the country you belong to) but also by Parliament and the press. That's insane!

He does not sound crazy to me. I do think having this play out in public may be something he later regrets. I well understand the desire to actually finally achieve clarity on these issues because I know what it's like to deal with gaslighting and passive aggressive communication your entire life and just want it to end. But the public declarations will likely escalate tensions and can't be taken back. Plus they drag in lots of strangers and that can confuse things.

But the actual things he's talking about and saying? Don't sound crazy to me. It sounds healthy. It sounds like he's been brainwashed by dysfunction most of his life and only recently discovered, through is family of choice, what functional, healthy relationships can look like. It takes time to acclimate.


Harry and Megan need money, even if just for security. They have no marketable skills other than her acting. Either they sell all the dirt they have for as much as they can get or the go bust.


Harry has few marketable skills. Megan has a bunch of marketable skills, even beyond acting. She's a decent spokeswoman, she has a long history of charitable advocacy, she has experience building an online presence and a brand. These are "normal" skills but they are actually pretty helpful for their current situation. Megan is reasonably prepared for figuring out how to make money from their current situation; Harry is not. I sense that she feels this is a manageable situation not that different from where she was at before marrying him, but with more complications, but that he has absolutely no idea how to handle because he's lived in a weird bubble his entire life.



None of those pay the bills unless you're suggesting that they take a large cut of money they raise.


Yes, actually, you can make money by creating a brand and building an online presence, especially if you already have a high profile and are physically attractive. Lots of female celebs have gone this route, from Goop to Jessica Alba and Jessica Simpson. This is how the Kardashians make money as well. It's not a "normal" job but it does require a specific skill set, that Megan appears to have, and an existing high profile from acting, modeling, family connections, etc. Which Megan had prior to Harry and has even more of now.

The issue for them has been that if they are working royals, they can't do that kind of work because it's viewed as exploiting royal titles for money. But if they no longer take an income from the BRF, then they can absolutely do it. Lots of royals have done stuff like this. It's how Fergie supported herself post-divorce (not very well, but she was older and not as disciplined, plus there were fewer opportunities for this kind of brand work back in the 90s). There are also European royals from countries without active working royals who do a version of this, using their titles and elevated social standing to parlay it into paying gigs for brands/charities/advocacy organizations.

No, Megan and Harry are not going to apply for regular person jobs and fill out W-2s or whatever, that is not really a realistic option for them. Megan could theoretically return to acting but I actually think she's now too famous to do that -- to heavily associated with something else, can you imagine the uproar if she took a standard film or television role and did even a chaste love scene with another actor? People would lose their minds. So this brand ambassador/producer/content creator gig is probably their best bet and she's actually pretty well suited to it even if he isn't. He's not suited to anything, royals are raised to be weird useless people.


Maybe they’ll do a keeping up with the royals?
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Anonymous wrote:I’m so glad he is calling out the toxic insane life of “the royals”.

I wish ever person treated like sh!t by their family could do the same.

It’s so refreshing after the holidays when so many had to deal with their insane ralatives.

Why is all of this supposed to be in the dark, bring it to the light.


I don't know. Say it to THEM and move on. I'm really against airing every perceived family wrong in public. And, let's face it, everyone in the family has a completely different take on what happened--even when they experienced it together.

My family was happy--but I see now in our 50s my siblings and I differ on some past events and how we interpret them.


It’s the Royals that put it into the public. I’m all for hearing all sides. If the. Ritual press just stopped talking about them it will go away. If they keep putting sh!t out the should put their side out.

Please Charles, camila, William… they’re insane losers.

He’s 38, he’s been in the news since he was born. It great that he can finally get it off his chest.


Except now that he's opened his mouth everyone is questioning his sanity. So, not so great.


Not really. Most people understand.

The great thing about abuse is when the abused (who is clearly dealing with mental illness speaks out) the abusers just say, oh he’s crazy.

It’s straight out of the abusers playbook. So if you want to be played by the abusers, just go along with “oh he’s crazy”.

It’s why many rape victims can’t come forward. They are raped, they suffer from extreme mental illness and you can’t put them on the stand.

Good for him to stand up and take the punches like a champ.


You're living in a bubble. Most people are not understanding. Harry has turned himself into a joke.


Do rape victims out notices on Instagram saying they really want to continue to have s*x with their rapist but also be allowed to have s*x with other people? I mean I’m not trying to be rude just trying to follow your logic given what these two have actually published they would like to have happen.


If Harry had been raped it would be in the book. Your analogies are ridiculous.


It will be in “Spare II, the sequel”.
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He's being very trashy in a Jerry Springer way.

Also, he better be careful or he's going to have an "accident" in a tunnel somewhere. This isn't just a family squabble, it's a corporation/ancient secret society with LOTS of corpses scattered behind them.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m team Harry. The royal family is insufferable. Good for Harry and Megan for taking a bad situation and finding some good. It’s about time the truth is being revealed.


I often come back to this fact:

Before marrying into the royal family, Megan was a successful actress who did tons of charity work in her spare time (like for years and years, it was not something she started doing to attract Harry, it's a genuine passion), she'd started a side business, she had lots of friends. Like if you look at her pre-Harry life, it looks pretty darn functional. Yes, she got married and divorced. But she didn't have kids and that divorce was pretty low drama. She had family strife (I can relate to that) but she seemed to be handling it in healthy ways -- she has a very good relationship with her mom and one of her half sisters, and she was dealing with it well enough to have an otherwise healthy and productive life.

But if you look at Harry's life pre-Megan, you see a TON of red flags and dysfunction. Obviously everything with his parents' marriage and divorce, plus his mom's death and everything that followed. Lots of signs of dysfunction in his relationship with Harry. No truly serious relationships but a couple on again off again things that didn't go anywhere. He doesn't have a healthy, functional relationship with any of his parent figures -- his mom is dead, his dad is extremely repressed and distant (and busy), his grandmother was the queen and not the most nurturing person in the world, his grandfather even less so. It doesn't appear he had or was allowed close relationships with the Spencers. He was not independent at all, and the one period of his life where he was somewhat independent (his military service) involved fighting in a war, which is a traumatic event that can really screw a person up. He has a lot of friends but it's unclear how many are close, true friends -- that world is the sort of predictable set of pre-ordained "friends" that you grow up with and are expected to socialize among and marry into. That's very different that developing a series of friendships with classmates and colleagues and roommates and neighbors over the course of a normal life, as Meghan has.

Megan has led a fairly normal and functional life until meeting Harry and I see most of her decisions since then as an effort to continue to do so despite obstacles posed by his position and family. Megan and their kids are the first normal/healthy relationships Harry has had in his entire life. He is flailing a bit but that's honestly not surprising.

The most questionable life choice Meghan has ever made was marrying Harry -- she could have stayed single, had kids on her own, or maybe found someone else to marry (though tricky due to her age and her job/lifestyle). The best life choice Harry has ever made is marrying Meghan and getting some distance from his messed up family.


Meghan was actively trolling the UK for a high profile love connection. She didn’t want normal she wanted more.


What other high profile men in the UK did she date? I don't buy this, sorry. I don't get why people want to turn Megan into some kind of scheming manipulator. I'm not like some huge MM fan but she seems to genuinely have just fallen for a guy who has a messed up family and not understood the extent to which s messed up family would impact her life before getting in deep. Likely her age played a role, as if you have a serious relationship in your late 30s, it's much harder to pull back and say "wait, this is not what I expected" before it's too late. Now they have kids together and she has to see it through. And she does seem to genuinely love him.

I bet some part of her wonders if maybe she should have been more cautious about getting involved with someone this high profile in such a weird position back when it all started. But it's too late now.

I just find it hard to believe that she was looking for this situation. It actually kind of sucks for her -- she quit her job and it would be hard to go back to her old career, changed her entire life, and then his family was INSANE and he was deeply unhappy. She seems to be doing the best she can with a bad situation, honestly.


She will never set foot on another cable TV set. She got a leg up for life, maybe not as much as they think they “need” but she will not be working in the sense of anything she did in her past again. She was asking friends to set up dates, for that matter didn’t she get set up on a blind date with Harry? Also I think she was messaging a famous football/soccer player to name one.


So your evidence for "she was actively trolling the UK for a high profile love connection" is that you think she went on a blind date with Harry (not sure this is true, didn't they meet over Instagram?) and might have messaged a footballer?

She was a single actress in her early/mid 30s. She was "dating". The word you are looking for is "dating". That's not a crime or evidence she's some kind of master manipulator.


I’m saying she didn’t want to stay single and successful, she wanted to marry a well know celebrity and now she’s well known and seemingly hates it.
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