What are the reasons against building a US-Mexico border wall?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump did a ton of good. The problem exploded after he left offices. Why are you trying the whataboutism when he has not been president for two years. By the way there are still kids and families in cages on Biden’s watch, but the libs seem to ignore that fact.

Trump didn’t do anything except grift. They couldn’t even pass annual appropriations until Democrats won the House and Pelosi took charge. The only thing that slowed down immigration was the Covid restrictions that all you idiots opposed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have y'all people who want to build a wall never heard of ladders?

Came here to say this.

To truly solve the problem we need to address the conditions in Central American countries that are causing so many people to make the dangerous trek to the US. And no administration (D or R) has come close to figuring that out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump did a ton of good. The problem exploded after he left offices. Why are you trying the whataboutism when he has not been president for two years. By the way there are still kids and families in cages on Biden’s watch, but the libs seem to ignore that fact.

"the problem" didn't explode, just the coverage you watch on tv or the internet. The numbers are a drop in the bucket to what they were in the 1980's.

Look at the number of interdictions, deportations, amount of drugs recovered at the border. The Trump years were an abomination compared to the years before and after. Why do you accept the lies from Fox News so readily?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have y'all people who want to build a wall never heard of ladders?

Came here to say this.

To truly solve the problem we need to address the conditions in Central American countries that are causing so many people to make the dangerous trek to the US. And no administration (D or R) has come close to figuring that out.

It's not as #bothsides as you suggest. There have been many suggestions and many proposals. But none have come to fruition because the Republicans staunchly oppose spending any money on "shithole" countries and that just kills the deal every time.

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Anonymous wrote:Because walls won’t work. We need to end American birthright snd just deport all illegal immigrants no question. No housing, no school for their children, etc. Basically give them no reason to come here unless they go through a legal process.

But I'll bet you're a big Christian. MAGA trash.

You are a 🤡. I am 1) Jewish and 2) a lifelong Democrat.

And live in Montgomery county, right?

No, I live in DC proper. Close to the Montgomery County border.

DP.. honest question.

A lot of Jews came here as refugees. Their children were provided education here.

I realize that most of the people crossing the border aren't fleeing extermination camps, but some of them are definitely fleeing drug wars and forced labor for drug gangs.

Some of these people do plan on and want to apply for asylum, just as those Jews did back then.

As a Jew, do you think it was fine for the US to provide public education and services to Jewish refugee children but not those fleeing drug gangs across our borders?

I noticed the crickets in response to this.

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It's not as #bothsides as you suggest. There have been many suggestions and many proposals. But none have come to fruition because the Republicans staunchly oppose spending any money on "shithole" countries and that just kills the deal every time.

I agree with you, Dems are at least trying to solve the problem while the GOP just wants an issue to get their base riled up.

Having said that, it's tough to spend money on these countries when you don't trust their governments or anybody else there to make sure that money goes where it's actually supposed to.

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It's not as #bothsides as you suggest. There have been many suggestions and many proposals. But none have come to fruition because the Republicans staunchly oppose spending any money on "shithole" countries and that just kills the deal every time.

I agree with you, Dems are at least trying to solve the problem while the GOP just wants an issue to get their base riled up.

Having said that, it's tough to spend money on these countries when you don't trust their governments or anybody else there to make sure that money goes where it's actually supposed to.

The GOP has no desire to solve the problem, it's one of their favorite ways to fire up the base -- and it works.

Trump and the GOP could have come up with a solution when they controlled the country, they didn't as it doesn't help them to fix the issues.

[Anonymous]

The solution is pretty easy in every way except politically. Make it easy for employers to get temporary work visas that comply with labor and tax laws and make it easy for immigrant workers to register for the work visas. Bust and punish the employers and workers who don’t comply with the terms and cut them off from the work visa program. Increase enforcement against agriculture, construction, and other rogue employers that are the reasons immigrant workers come here illegally. Republicans won’t vote for any of that.

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I want more immigration to ensure the R party is rendered defeated in perpetuity. Latin immigrants have American-born children that go on to vote heavily Democratic, even if their parents aren’t able to vote themselves right now. And with some sort of future legislation or EO establishing citizenship for current immigrants they’ll vote reliably Democratic too. My opposition to a border has nothing to do with globalization or the economy, it’s just about beating the R’s. All politics is local, and we have lots of red areas of this country that immigrants can help turn blue. It’s a numbers game. They have more in those places, and we need to change the balance of power.

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Anonymous wrote:Have y'all people who want to build a wall never heard of ladders?

Came here to say this.

To truly solve the problem we need to address the conditions in Central American countries that are causing so many people to make the dangerous trek to the US. And no administration (D or R) has come close to figuring that out.

Are you suggesting regime change or dumping money into corrupt governments? Neither has worked in the past and has made things worse in many instances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want more immigration to ensure the R party is rendered defeated in perpetuity. Latin immigrants have American-born children that go on to vote heavily Democratic, even if their parents aren’t able to vote themselves right now. And with some sort of future legislation or EO establishing citizenship for current immigrants they’ll vote reliably Democratic too. My opposition to a border has nothing to do with globalization or the economy, it’s just about beating the R’s. All politics is local, and we have lots of red areas of this country that immigrants can help turn blue. It’s a numbers game. They have more in those places, and we need to change the balance of power.

Border counties full of immigrants when very red this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Because walls won’t work. We need to end American birthright snd just deport all illegal immigrants no question. No housing, no school for their children, etc. Basically give them no reason to come here unless they go through a legal process.

But I'll bet you're a big Christian. MAGA trash.

You are a 🤡. I am 1) Jewish and 2) a lifelong Democrat.

And live in Montgomery county, right?

No, I live in DC proper. Close to the Montgomery County border.

DP.. honest question.

A lot of Jews came here as refugees. Their children were provided education here.

I realize that most of the people crossing the border aren't fleeing extermination camps, but some of them are definitely fleeing drug wars and forced labor for drug gangs.

Some of these people do plan on and want to apply for asylum, just as those Jews did back then.

As a Jew, do you think it was fine for the US to provide public education and services to Jewish refugee children but not those fleeing drug gangs across our borders?

I do not believe that we are required to have open borders in the U.S. in 2022 because Jewish refugees came to the U.S. during the holocaust.

We have gangs here too. And Baltimore alone probably has a higher murder rate than San Salvador.

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Anonymous wrote:Because walls won’t work. We need to end American birthright snd just deport all illegal immigrants no question. No housing, no school for their children, etc. Basically give them no reason to come here unless they go through a legal process.

But I'll bet you're a big Christian. MAGA trash.

You are a 🤡. I am 1) Jewish and 2) a lifelong Democrat.

And live in Montgomery county, right?

No, I live in DC proper. Close to the Montgomery County border.

DP.. honest question.

A lot of Jews came here as refugees. Their children were provided education here.

I realize that most of the people crossing the border aren't fleeing extermination camps, but some of them are definitely fleeing drug wars and forced labor for drug gangs.

Some of these people do plan on and want to apply for asylum, just as those Jews did back then.

As a Jew, do you think it was fine for the US to provide public education and services to Jewish refugee children but not those fleeing drug gangs across our borders?

I do not believe that we are required to have open borders in the U.S. in 2022 because Jewish refugees came to the U.S. during the holocaust.

We have gangs here too. And Baltimore alone probably has a higher murder rate than San Salvador.

Nope. San Salvador's murder rate is a lot higher than Baltimore's. And there are many parts of El Salvador worse than that.

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Anonymous wrote:Because walls won’t work. We need to end American birthright snd just deport all illegal immigrants no question. No housing, no school for their children, etc. Basically give them no reason to come here unless they go through a legal process.

But I'll bet you're a big Christian. MAGA trash.

You are a 🤡. I am 1) Jewish and 2) a lifelong Democrat.

And live in Montgomery county, right?

No, I live in DC proper. Close to the Montgomery County border.

DP.. honest question.

A lot of Jews came here as refugees. Their children were provided education here.

I realize that most of the people crossing the border aren't fleeing extermination camps, but some of them are definitely fleeing drug wars and forced labor for drug gangs.

Some of these people do plan on and want to apply for asylum, just as those Jews did back then.

As a Jew, do you think it was fine for the US to provide public education and services to Jewish refugee children but not those fleeing drug gangs across our borders?

I do not believe that we are required to have open borders in the U.S. in 2022 because Jewish refugees came to the U.S. during the holocaust.

We have gangs here too. And Baltimore alone probably has a higher murder rate than San Salvador.

Nope. San Salvador's murder rate is a lot higher than Baltimore's. And there are many parts of El Salvador worse than that.

Nonsense. El Salvador has strong gun control, unlike Maryland, where any child can buy a gun at the local Walmart.

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Anonymous wrote:Because walls won’t work. We need to end American birthright snd just deport all illegal immigrants no question. No housing, no school for their children, etc. Basically give them no reason to come here unless they go through a legal process.

But I'll bet you're a big Christian. MAGA trash.

You are a 🤡. I am 1) Jewish and 2) a lifelong Democrat.

And live in Montgomery county, right?

No, I live in DC proper. Close to the Montgomery County border.

DP.. honest question.

A lot of Jews came here as refugees. Their children were provided education here.

I realize that most of the people crossing the border aren't fleeing extermination camps, but some of them are definitely fleeing drug wars and forced labor for drug gangs.

Some of these people do plan on and want to apply for asylum, just as those Jews did back then.

As a Jew, do you think it was fine for the US to provide public education and services to Jewish refugee children but not those fleeing drug gangs across our borders?

I do not believe that we are required to have open borders in the U.S. in 2022 because Jewish refugees came to the U.S. during the holocaust.

We have gangs here too. And Baltimore alone probably has a higher murder rate than San Salvador.

Nope. San Salvador's murder rate is a lot higher than Baltimore's. And there are many parts of El Salvador worse than that.

Nonsense. El Salvador has strong gun control, unlike Maryland, where any child can buy a gun at the local Walmart.

Nonsense?

In 2019, San Salvador had 35.5 homicides per 100k according to this report: https://www.barrons.com/news/fears-of-extremist-campaign-after-attack-on-us-power-station-01672168208

That's some progress, as compared to over 100 homicides per 100k in 2015 - but it also hinges on a recent, shaky ceasefire with some of the major gangs.

But even with a temporary detente between gangs it's still more than 5 times higher than Baltimore's homicide rate, which has been between 5 and 6 per 100k. And, many places outside of San Salvador are even more dangerous.

So, while you have a valid point about any child being allowed to buy a gun at their local Walmart (along with people with serious mental illness etc) Baltimore is still safer than San Salvador.